Suns Offseason Thread 3: Spurned for the Spurs

[NavLDO]

OK, I'm sincerely just wondering aloud--the Celtics just brought in Amir Johnson for 12M/per, drafted Jordan Mickey, and just re-up'd Jerebko for $5M/per for 2 years. Not to mention they have like 18 players on their roster. Where does Sullinger fit in?

Again, Philly has a ton of bigs. Who else has bigs to spare that we could trade for?

People keep saying Leuer can 'stretch', but his 3PT % was pitiful last year--I'm not comfortable with him being a backup to a guy that's not thrilled to be here, and KNOWS he was on the block to be traded were we to acquire LMA. Professional or not, I think the relationship definitely broken with Kieff.

We'll surely bring in a 4 one way or another--the question is, will it be a better bench guy better than Leuer and keep Kieff, or pkg Kieff for a different starter at PF. A David Lee for one year? A young promising-yet-to-be-established guy like Bledsoe was coming in from LAC?

What direction are most of you leaning?

As far as I'm concerned, I think we swung for the fences, but in the process, broke that relationship beyond repair. And now, we have a disgruntled starter, who's value is diminished thanks to his on and off court antics, yet his contract is great when compared strictly to his talent/play. I personally think, even if we downgrade some, that we need a change.

[DRK]

Will Barton would be a nice cheap addition for us. Athletic, can shoot the three.

[TeamTragic]

Does anyone know what the **** we are doing now? If that Coro article is our plan then we seriously are just shooting in the dark. How about getting a big from Philly?

[Nando88]

Keef needs to grow up and deal with it. If he and his precious brother acted like professionals he and Marcus would likely still be here. Enough of this Team Foe crap. He needs to put Team Phx before that


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[Makaveli2]

You guys do know the top free agents are in the driver seat when being courted by team. If he wants to meet your management in the middle of Arabia , you meet him in Arabia.

I will tell people right now. Please don't get your hopes up for this guy. He isn't going anywhere. If he comes to Phx, I will be happily wrong, but don't expect it and you won't be disappointed.

If mcD could get a meeting with Durant, NO one's leaving that room until an agreement is made on a deal lol


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yeah i think McD has learned a lesson, Its either a yes or a no, but you are not leaving until we hear, no more of this waiting around ****

[SUN]

I want Kieff to stay. I'm sick of roster turnover. He's good enough to be a long term player here. No reason to get rid of him. Unless he throws a fit over not being next to Marcus.

[RaisingArizona]

Does anyone know what the **** we are doing now? If that Coro article is our plan then we seriously are just shooting in the dark. How about getting a big from Philly?

Coro doesn't have inside info anymore. He never said suns were going after LMA in the beginning.

[tdjm]

OK, I'm sincerely just wondering aloud--the Celtics just brought in Amir Johnson for 12M/per, drafted Jordan Mickey, and just re-up'd Jerebko for $5M/per for 2 years. Not to mention they have like 18 players on their roster. Where does Sullinger fit in?

Again, Philly has a ton of bigs. Who else has bigs to spare that we could trade for?

People keep saying Leuer can 'stretch', but his 3PT % was pitiful last year--I'm not comfortable with him being a backup to a guy that's not thrilled to be here, and KNOWS he was on the block to be traded were we to acquire LMA. Professional or not, I think the relationship definitely broken with Kieff.

We'll surely bring in a 4 one way or another--the question is, will it be a better bench guy better than Leuer and keep Kieff, or pkg Kieff for a different starter at PF. A David Lee for one year? A young promising-yet-to-be-established guy like Bledsoe was coming in from LAC?

What direction are most of you leaning?

As far as I'm concerned, I think we swung for the fences, but in the process, broke that relationship beyond repair. And now, we have a disgruntled starter, who's value is diminished thanks to his on and off court antics, yet his contract is great when compared strictly to his talent/play. I personally think, even if we downgrade some, that we need a change.

I don't think we should just assume the relationship is broken. Obviously, McDonough is going to have better intel on that than us, so I do trust him at this point to make the right decision. We should remember that as juvenile as Keef is sometimes, he's still a soon to be 26 year old adult and I do feel he should at least be given the opportunity to act like an adult. It's not like Marcus was his only friend in the whole wide world. He and Len get along really well. Same with him and Bledsoe, and him and Archie. I really believe we should give him the opportunity to keep balling if he wants to come around, and play with the rest of his team mates (and friends).

On the other note, I don't think Philly is trading us any of their premier 3 bigs for a reasonable price and no one else on their team matters. Boston has been hot and hungry after a rim protector and probably want to put together a package for Len. I'd curb stomp McD myself if Len went for a package of Sullinger + Olynyk or something like that, jesus. I'm really only down with getting one of their bigs if it doesn't cost me something I care about.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Per Marc spears we are interested in Kevin Seraphin


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actually this is the exact type guy we should be targeting. Young cheap and who knows could be good in our system. Unless they can pull a crazy unexpected trade for an upgrade over keif these are the exact type deals the suns should be looking at.

[AtheJ415]

Am I crazy that I think Marshall is who we should go after given the available PGs remaining? He's young and had a good season prior to his injury. Should also be cheap. Just wish he could shoot.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Am I crazy that I think Marshall is who we should go after given the available PGs remaining? He's young and had a good season prior to his injury. Should also be cheap. Just wish he could shoot.

meh I'd rather have McNeal.

A guy I'd look at is nate Wolters he's a dude I wouldn't mind having on the end of the bench.

[AtheJ415]

Per Marc spears we are interested in Kevin Seraphin


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actually this is the exact type guy we should be targeting. Young cheap and who knows could be good in our system. Unless they can pull a crazy unexpected trade for an upgrade over keif these are the exact type deals the suns should be looking at.

Exactly. If he's good in our system we have a solid backup big. If he sucks no big deal he's cheap. If he explodes we have a trade asset.

He's probably the best PF we can get at this point who fits our team's age window without paying more than we should.

[SunsFanSSOL]

I'm going to be completely honest, and I'm not saying this out of bitterness for not getting LMA, but I feel like his addition wouldn't have done much for us. He's not better than Amare was in PHX, but everyone is touting him as being on par with Nash and Barkley if he were to come here. Amare averaged 25 and 9 on 59% shooting at his peak, LMA averaged 23 and 11 on 46% shooting the last few years. I'd be much more enthusiastic if we were to get him when he was closer to the age of our core, not 30 years old. I'm aware his game isn't predicated on athleticism, but a team built around a mid 30's LaMarcus Aldridge will never beat the young Warriors, or Thunder. You can also look at his efficiency and see it's been declining for the last 3 years. With him, we'd be on par with the Portland team over the last few years, and I think he recognized that.

[NavLDO]

OK, I'm sincerely just wondering aloud--the Celtics just brought in Amir Johnson for 12M/per, drafted Jordan Mickey, and just re-up'd Jerebko for $5M/per for 2 years. Not to mention they have like 18 players on their roster. Where does Sullinger fit in?

Again, Philly has a ton of bigs. Who else has bigs to spare that we could trade for?

People keep saying Leuer can 'stretch', but his 3PT % was pitiful last year--I'm not comfortable with him being a backup to a guy that's not thrilled to be here, and KNOWS he was on the block to be traded were we to acquire LMA. Professional or not, I think the relationship definitely broken with Kieff.

We'll surely bring in a 4 one way or another--the question is, will it be a better bench guy better than Leuer and keep Kieff, or pkg Kieff for a different starter at PF. A David Lee for one year? A young promising-yet-to-be-established guy like Bledsoe was coming in from LAC?

What direction are most of you leaning?

As far as I'm concerned, I think we swung for the fences, but in the process, broke that relationship beyond repair. And now, we have a disgruntled starter, who's value is diminished thanks to his on and off court antics, yet his contract is great when compared strictly to his talent/play. I personally think, even if we downgrade some, that we need a change.

I don't think we should just assume the relationship is broken. Obviously, McDonough is going to have better intel on that than us, so I do trust him at this point to make the right decision. We should remember that as juvenile as Keef is sometimes, he's still a soon to be 26 year old adult and I do feel he should at least be given the opportunity to act like an adult. It's not like Marcus was his only friend in the whole wide world. He and Len get along really well. Same with him and Bledsoe, and him and Archie. I really believe we should give him the opportunity to keep balling if he wants to come around, and play with the rest of his team mates (and friends).

On the other note, I don't think Philly is trading us any of their premier 3 bigs for a reasonable price and no one else on their team matters. Boston has been hot and hungry after a rim protector and probably want to put together a package for Len. I'd curb stomp McD myself if Len went for a package of Sullinger + Olynyk or something like that, jesus. I'm really only down with getting one of their bigs if it doesn't cost me something I care about.

I agree that McD will have better insight, I'm just throwing out an uninformed fan's opinion, is all. And I don't think McD would trade Len for Olynyk/Sullinger--now Kieff? Sure. Olynyk isn't a bad option as stretch big--I'd love to have him, but not for Len.

I'd take a couple of Philly's non-big-3 bigs--Grant or Holmes, but only for a reasonable trade, of course.

[TeamTragic]

Does anyone know what the **** we are doing now? If that Coro article is our plan then we seriously are just shooting in the dark. How about getting a big from Philly?

Coro doesn't have inside info anymore. He never said suns were going after LMA in the beginning.

Coro needs to stop posting garbage. Did anyone ask Ray Ray about our current plan?

[Kerrsed]

Only power forward I like on Coro's list is Hill. He also has a bit of hometown ties for fan appeal (UofA). He is a decent defender and a good rebounder and maybe would help push Keiff to realize his maximum potential in practice.

[letsgosuns]

Kevin Seraphin? I have never heard of him. Wow I did not realize that the Suns were going to go from Aldridge to someone I did not know was in the league. Talk about a colossal disappointment. There is no other way to say this but losing out on Aldridge is crushing. Unless McDonough pulls off a trade for a superstar out of nowhere, this will just be another year without a star. I am used to the Suns always having a star on the team. Only in recent years has this team not had at least one true all star on the team. Going back to the late 80's, they always had stars and were major players in free agency. Hearing the media say things like Phoenix is moving in the right direction and they are on the radar of players now to me is an insult. Since when the hell has this franchise sunk so low that the Suns were not even on the radar of free agents? I think that is reserved for the teams no one takes seriously and are perennial losers. It makes me feel like the Suns have become one of those teams and it is awful. Bottom line is that the Suns lost out on another major free agent. They did not get him. No moral victories.

[AtheJ415]

Only power forward I like on Coro's list is Hill. He also has a bit of hometown ties for fan appeal (UofA). He is a decent defender and a good rebounder and maybe would help push Keiff to realize his maximum potential in practice.

Jumper is solid too. His WS/48 was actually quite solid a couple years ago. Haven't looked closely at what he did last year.

[AtheJ415]

Kevin Seraphin? I have never heard of him. Wow I did not realize that the Suns were going to go from Aldridge to someone I did not know was in the league. Talk about a colossal disappointment. There is no other way to say this but losing out on Aldridge is crushing. Unless McDonough pulls off a trade for a superstar out of nowhere, this will just be another year without a star. I am used to the Suns always having a star on the team. Only in recent years has this team not had at least one true all star on the team. Going back to the late 80's, they always had stars and were major players in free agency. Hearing the media say things like Phoenix is moving in the right direction and they are on the radar of players now to me is an insult. Since when the hell has this franchise sunk so low that the Suns were not even on the radar of free agents? I think that is reserved for the teams no one takes seriously and are perennial losers. It makes me feel like the Suns have become one of those teams and it is awful. Bottom line is that the Suns lost out on another major free agent. They did not get him. No moral victories.

The Golden State Warriors didn't have a star on their team until last season. Curry was a borderline all-star before this year, at age 27. Klay Thompson was considered a guy that anyone would be crazy to give the max to.

It sucks to lose out on Aldridge, but we have quite a few youngsters who have potential that they haven't come close to reaching yet.

[TeamTragic]

Kevin Seraphin? I have never heard of him. Wow I did not realize that the Suns were going to go from Aldridge to someone I did not know was in the league. Talk about a colossal disappointment. There is no other way to say this but losing out on Aldridge is crushing. Unless McDonough pulls off a trade for a superstar out of nowhere, this will just be another year without a star. I am used to the Suns always having a star on the team. Only in recent years has this team not had at least one true all star on the team. Going back to the late 80's, they always had stars and were major players in free agency. Hearing the media say things like Phoenix is moving in the right direction and they are on the radar of players now to me is an insult. Since when the hell has this franchise sunk so low that the Suns were not even on the radar of free agents? I think that is reserved for the teams no one takes seriously and are perennial losers. It makes me feel like the Suns have become one of those teams and it is awful. Bottom line is that the Suns lost out on another major free agent. They did not get him. No moral victories.

What's worse is that we didn't push for a second meeting. I'm just curious why Pop needed one but apparently we didn't feel the need or got shot down. I think we deserve to know what went wrong