Trade Discussion

[irish22022]

I really want kieff gone, so here me out:

Boston has plenty of valuable picks. And they can use some depth to make a run in the east.

Kieff/tuck for Lee's expiring and a good 1st rounder.

Would they do it? I think they have something like 5 first round picks. Gives them size and defense and who knows, kieff could get his act together on a different team. Lee is benched but could play some pf for us just fine.

[MathiasPW]

Ray ray and trax love dat trade attention. For 5 years plus they threaten not to come back yet whos place do we have set at the trade deadline table lol

[BobbieL]

I really want kieff gone, so here me out:

Boston has plenty of valuable picks. And they can use some depth to make a run in the east.

Kieff/tuck for Lee's expiring and a good 1st rounder.

Would they do it? I think they have something like 5 first round picks. Gives them size and defense and who knows, kieff could get his act together on a different team. Lee is benched but could play some pf for us just fine.

I might do that if say Sullinger was included. But again, if that is the best you can get for Tucker - I would think, the Thunder trade Tucker for McGary and Augustin. I know McGary is an unknown but that's fine by me. Suns need a real 4 at some point. Who knows, Thunder might evne throw in a first. Tucker is signed through next year - cheap.

I know Woj said the Suns want a first - but I find it hard to believe the Raptors would turn down Pat Patt, Delon Wright or Cabolbco and their own first, for Markieff - I have a hard time seeing that. Woj is saying the right things because the Suns are saying the right things. But, Kieff is gone - he has to be gone!

Teletovic, Tucker and Kieff will be traded - I have a feeling. I hope its a big deal but not expecting one big deal - expecting three smaller deals

[bwgood77]

Here's what I love...."I'm not allowed to give out specific info." What are you on a court order? The secret service or FBI tracking you? It's a freaking sport. Who cares. If you got some "good info," cool let us know, if you don't have good info don't bring it up.

I have absolutely no problem with what our insiders do or don't do. I couldnt care less if they are right 10% of the time....because well even the reputable sources are rarely correct when it comes to rumors or potential trades.

as far as not being allowed specific info....i completely understand that. The true insiders are given specific knowledge, knowledge that is based off of trust. If, for example, someone from the Sun's front office came to me and said "i'll give you the scoop, but you cannot go into details online. If you do....game over." The last thing i'd do is blurb it out online to a bunch of people i couldnt care less about.

Just look at what happened to Gambo. He used to have inside sources, now he has nothing. Not that i think he LOST the trust of the FO, but i dont think he's EARNED the trust of the new FO. And i think the way he's handled the whole Markieff thing hasnt helped.

In the end with guys like Ray Ray, they are only given bits and pieces of what's going on with the FO. For every potential trade they are told about, their are 5 others that are kept hush hush. If that one they are told about works our, then great.....but if something else materializes, then this board crucifies. If anything, they give us something to talk about.

Don't understand why some people don't understand this logic. Or why anyone tries to chase "insiders" away.

I don't think anyone tries to chase anyone off. They just find it humorous that a large percentage of the board worships people who haven't really said anything that really substantiated anything that you couldn't read in an article in a long time. There may be others around who actually know more than the ones people are waiting around to see.

[Qwigglez]

^I understand that, but why not just ignore it? Let people believe what they want, these so called insiders might not know anything and just been doing a great job of trolling every February. But at least it gives us something to talk about.
Also, even if the insiders were right 50% of the time, there would still be haters saying they weren't right all the time and call em out for it.

[King4Day]

From what I recall, one of the insiders had correctly foresaw a couple trades (including the Shaq one) down to the players, before it happened.
I believe that's why there's a lot of faith in them.

If people wanna believe that these guys have been coming into this forum for nearly a decade just to troll us, that's on them.
I think it's great to get excited about things that may or may not happen. I'd rather not know if they were fake at this point.

[BobbieL]

From what I recall, one of the insiders had correctly foresaw a couple trades (including the Shaq one) down to the players, before it happened.
I believe that's why there's a lot of faith in them.

If people wanna believe that these guys have been coming into this forum for nearly a decade just to troll us, that's on them.
I think it's great to get excited about things that may or may not happen. I'd rather not know if they were fake at this point.

I like the inside and knowledge - true or not true. Something to think about and discuss

[NavLDO]

Hater?

Aint no time to hate.... barely time to wait

Some how 'strong suspicion of'er' doesn't quite roll off the tongue as well...

Oooohhh, or how about, 'frustration over'er'....ok you win, McD'isms it is...

[DRK]

Our insiders dont have to give info to us. They do it because they want to, out of a willing spirit.

Rayray is legit. Hes called many moves before.

Insiders, whoever you may be, yall are appreciated here by the majority of us on this board. Please dont let a few Negative Nancy's discourage you from posting here

[DRK]

Was on the trade board- someone offered Robert Covington and OKC's first for brandon Knight.

I really like Covington's game, and he would work as a smallball 4.

If we move Tucker and Mirza,, I would seriously consider targetting Covington to play at the 3/4

[BobbieL]

Was on the trade board- someone offered Robert Covington and OKC's first for brandon Knight.

I really like Covington's game, and he would work as a smallball 4.

If we move Tucker and Mirza,, I would seriously consider targetting Covington to play at the 3/4

it doesn't work in the trade machine. Sixers would need to attach Carl Landry to make it work

So basically a salary dump for Knight. I don't think so. I think Knight can have value, even if overpaid, as the third guy behind Bledsoe and Booker next year.

Tucker should get a serviceable player
Teletovic should get - who cares
Kieff should get something like Brandon Jennings, Ersan Ilyasova or the Toronto package worst

Knight has value - gave up a lot for him ; need something of value if they trade him

[carey]

Was on the trade board- someone offered Robert Covington and OKC's first for brandon Knight.

I really like Covington's game, and he would work as a smallball 4.

If we move Tucker and Mirza,, I would seriously consider targetting Covington to play at the 3/4

I'm not familiar with Covington, but his shooting percentage is really bad. 38% from the field and only 34% from 3. I would think you could get more from Knight than yet another end of the 1st round draft pick and a replacement level player. At least, I hope you could.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

BTW - to me, the fact that we won't trade Keef for just a first rounder means that we will trade him by the deadline. I think we already have an offer that, in the absence of a better deal, we would take. We're just holding out for the best possible deal. I think we're targeting a much bigger trade.

[BobbieL]

Was on the trade board- someone offered Robert Covington and OKC's first for brandon Knight.

I really like Covington's game, and he would work as a smallball 4.

If we move Tucker and Mirza,, I would seriously consider targetting Covington to play at the 3/4

I'm not familiar with Covington, but his shooting percentage is really bad. 38% from the field and only 34% from 3. I would think you could get more from Knight than yet another end of the 1st round draft pick and a replacement level player. At least, I hope you could.

He is going to be my third guard next year - even at 14m - over dumping him for nothing and giving up a lot to get him

Kieff is different - he is a big fat pain in the organization that needs to go. I hope he doesn't get Detroit - but depending on the return, that's fine. I think Toronto still is the most realistic and best option based on expiring contracts, a young guy like Delon or Cabolco and a draft pick. If Toronto were to pass on that for that Nuggets/Knicks pick - they are stupid.

[MVSteve]

Saw somewhere this morning that Ben McLemore might be available. You guys think we'd have any interest? I know we have a lot of guards already, and I don't know exactly what the Kings would want, but I wouldn't mind bringing him in. If one of Knight/Bledsoe leaves we'd have a little more room for another young guy with potential.

[MrMiyagi]

Saw somewhere this morning that Ben McLemore might be available. You guys think we'd have any interest? I know we have a lot of guards already, and I don't know exactly what the Kings would want, but I wouldn't mind bringing him in. If one of Knight/Bledsoe leaves we'd have a little more room for another young guy with potential.

Nah. We've got Booker who is already shaping up to be better than McLemore.

[jcsunsfan]

We need a distributing pg who can shoot well enough to keep teams honest. Bledsoe fills that bill I guess.
We need a pf. Markieff would fill that bill if he did not have all that historical baggage.
We need a star quality sf. Warren may be able to be that player, but the jury is still out.

We need a star quality player. I doubt we can trade for one before the deadline. So, we need to get a pick that might allow us to get one. I know the press says that McD wants a pick AND a young player. I think he is just holding out for a better pick or a better younger player.

[BobbieL]

We need a distributing pg who can shoot well enough to keep teams honest. Bledsoe fills that bill I guess.
We need a pf. Markieff would fill that bill if he did not have all that historical baggage.
We need a star quality sf. Warren may be able to be that player, but the jury is still out.

We need a star quality player. I doubt we can trade for one before the deadline. So, we need to get a pick that might allow us to get one. I know the press says that McD wants a pick AND a young player. I think he is just holding out for a better pick or a better younger player.

What McD says today and what is does 48 hours from now is very different. Teams are still wanting to give the least for players and the Suns are "over-asking". Come Thursday - its going to hit the fan and deals will be made.

I think Kieff can be traded for something like Ilysova today or to Toronto for expirings, young players, draft pick, Pat Patt (some combo) - just seeing if he can get better.

[BobbieL]

Saw somewhere this morning that Ben McLemore might be available. You guys think we'd have any interest? I know we have a lot of guards already, and I don't know exactly what the Kings would want, but I wouldn't mind bringing him in. If one of Knight/Bledsoe leaves we'd have a little more room for another young guy with potential.

Nah. We've got Booker who is already shaping up to be better than McLemore.

Booker is not untouchable but he is pretty damn close

He is a true legitimate shooting guard. I won't compare to Klay -- not fair to Klay, not fair to Devin - but he can really shoot the ball

[bwgood77]

From what I recall, one of the insiders had correctly foresaw a couple trades (including the Shaq one) down to the players, before it happened.
I believe that's why there's a lot of faith in them.

If people wanna believe that these guys have been coming into this forum for nearly a decade just to troll us, that's on them.
I think it's great to get excited about things that may or may not happen. I'd rather not know if they were fake at this point.

I don't think I had signed up when the Shaq trade was mentioned, but I was lurking. I was thinking that was dirtybird or something. Insiders likely change to some extent under different regimes though. Sure, people have connections, but nothing serious is going to be leaked unless someone doesn't care about their job.

I think what might deter insiders the most is that people talk about us having insiders so much here that if anyone from the FO were to look at the forums and see that chatter, they might think "oh, is there someone leaking something? Lets watch for this guy."

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