Game 36: Phoenix Suns (12-23) @ Sacramento Kings (12-20)

Post #161 » by **bwgood77** » Sun Jan 3, 2016 12:10 am

ginobiliflops wrote:We might not win again.

It's really looking like Brooklyn and New Orleans will pass us in the standings, and we will literally be in the bottom 3. Of course if there are 3 studs, someone will jump us to move us down to 4.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #162 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sun Jan 3, 2016 12:11 am

If we give up 130 points to the Lakers tomorrow I think that'll be it for the coach.

letsgosuns · Post #163 » by **letsgosuns** » Sun Jan 3, 2016 12:12 am

Knight with the worst plus/minus of every player with a -27 in 32 minutes. The reason people stand around when he dribbles is because they know he has no court vision and does not like to pass the ball. You can blame Hornacek all you want but he is not in the game.

KLEON · Post #164 » by **KLEON** » Sun Jan 3, 2016 12:12 am

1UPZ wrote:
KLEON wrote:Can't believe people here thinks Knight is a good player

Hang on.

Knight CAN BE and HAS BEEN a good player.

Lately... You have to blame the coach for not controlling him.
On the Spurs.. Watch him become a top scoring PG.

I'm pretty sure Pop would rather retire than coach Knight

AtheJ415 · Post #165 » by **AtheJ415** » Sun Jan 3, 2016 12:12 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Made Sacramento look like a Golden State.

How long before it's no longer just 2 games / 3 games / 4 games from the 8th seed.

Are you honestly still looking at the playoffs? Our playoff hopes, whatever they were, went out the window the second Bledsoe got hurt.

This was a key game to tank. I think the 1 and 2 seed for tanking purposes are set, and it's unlikely we can catch Brooklyn, but the 4 seed is very possible imo. Maybe we can offload people to Brooklyn to help them win and get the 3.

Post #166 » by **bwgood77** » Sun Jan 3, 2016 12:13 am

letsgosuns wrote:The Kings have 103 points after three quarters. They are 12-20. They also just lost to the 76ers at home like the Suns did and scored a total of 105 points that entire game.

And they were favored by six and are not missing their best player.

I mean, I agree with you, this is ugly and after having guys like KJ, Kidd and Nash, our pgs are so often just terrible to watch. I don't know what we can do. They will be tough to trade.

AtheJ415 · Post #167 » by **AtheJ415** » Sun Jan 3, 2016 12:13 am

KLEON wrote:
1UPZ wrote:
KLEON wrote:Can't believe people here thinks Knight is a good player

Hang on.

Knight CAN BE and HAS BEEN a good player.

Lately... You have to blame the coach for not controlling him.
On the Spurs.. Watch him become a top scoring PG.

I'm pretty sure Pop would rather retire than coach Knight

Do you remember rookie Tony Parker? He would've been launching floaters from mid court if not for Pop.

Cutter · Post #168 » by **Cutter** » Sun Jan 3, 2016 12:13 am

Someone posted this observation previously about how half this forum has been wanting to tank for draft picks, then once we start losing become outraged and want the coach fired. Seems bi-polar to me.

Post #169 » by **bwgood77** » Sun Jan 3, 2016 12:14 am

AtheJ415 wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Made Sacramento look like a Golden State.

How long before it's no longer just 2 games / 3 games / 4 games from the 8th seed.

Are you honestly still looking at the playoffs? Our playoff hopes, whatever they were, went out the window the second Bledsoe got hurt.

This was a key game to tank. I think the 1 and 2 seed for tanking purposes are set, and it's unlikely we can catch Brooklyn, but the 4 seed is very possible imo. Maybe we can offload people to Brooklyn to help them win and get the 3.

Well, Brooklyn just beat Boston IN Boston and are 10-23 and we will be 12-24.

saintEscaton · Post #170 » by **saintEscaton** » Sun Jan 3, 2016 12:15 am

AtheJ415 wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Made Sacramento look like a Golden State.

How long before it's no longer just 2 games / 3 games / 4 games from the 8th seed.

Are you honestly still looking at the playoffs? Our playoff hopes, whatever they were, went out the window the second Bledsoe got hurt.

This was a key game to tank. I think the 1 and 2 seed for tanking purposes are set, and it's unlikely we can catch Brooklyn, but the 4 seed is very possible imo. Maybe we can offload people to Brooklyn to help them win and get the 3.

The Nets beat the Celts. :lol:

They are sticking it to 'em cauz Ainge took them to cleaners in the KG-Pierce deal and they don't own their pick and have no incentive to tank. I would Joe Johnson/Thaddeus Young for Knight straight up at this point

grumpysaddle · Post #171 » by **grumpysaddle** » Sun Jan 3, 2016 12:16 am

Cutter wrote:Someone posted this observation previously about how half this forum has been wanting to tank for draft picks, then once we start losing become outraged and want the coach fired. Seems bi-polar to me.

It's a matter of playing youth correctly. Losing while playing correctly is fine, losing the way the Suns do is unacceptable. Yes, it has to do with players, but i think it's more on the coaching staff at this point.

The young players are learning to play losing basketball.

RaisingArizona · Post #172 » by **RaisingArizona** » Sun Jan 3, 2016 12:17 am

I want to see Knight operate under a coach who runs a balanced offense before giving up on him.

AtheJ415 · Post #173 » by **AtheJ415** » Sun Jan 3, 2016 12:17 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:If we give up 130 points to the Lakers tomorrow I think that'll be it for the coach.

I don't know how we can keep Hornacek. This goes beyond personnel at this point. I think our rotations and X's and O's are faulty, and while individual skills have developed, our team execution overall hasn't. I mean, even after adjusting expectations to what we are (the worst defense in the league, for instance), improvement should still occur. Instead, we just continue to not get better as a team defensive unit. Rotations and team defensive concepts should be getting better and they aren't. It's not excusable.

Saberestar · Post #174 » by **Saberestar** » Sun Jan 3, 2016 12:18 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:If we give up 130 points to the Lakers tomorrow I think that'll be it for the coach.

Probably.

We can not defend a chair, this game has been ridiculous. Cousins is good, but come on....Chandler, Len and Leuer has been embarrassed by him. OMG, Chandler and Len are defensive's centers?!?

This is sad..... and tomorrow can be worse....again.

I know that at this point is good to lose games, but I have been always against tanking and I want always to win, it is tough to lose so many games and see that we have more than 45 games until the end of this horrible season.

grumpysaddle · Post #175 » by **grumpysaddle** » Sun Jan 3, 2016 12:18 am

138 points with 2:46 left is just wow.

Post #176 » by **bwgood77** » Sun Jan 3, 2016 12:19 am

Cutter wrote:Someone posted this observation previously about how half this forum has been wanting to tank for draft picks, then once we start losing become outraged and want the coach fired. Seems bi-polar to me.

Yeah, that's just being hypocritical. It's been mentioned by me and Nav I believe. Everyone thought we should go young, play the young guys win or lose, and even if we lose, we get a high pick. That is now happening and there is outrage.

Knight is disappointing, but you can't really just bench a guy we gave that nice contract to.

My guess is that if we don't win soon, Hornacek will be fired. I still think one more year with a constant roster the entire season and no Kieff, with another piece or too with a Kieff and possibly Tucker trade, and a draft pick, we could really make a better evaluation than Hornacek.

But right now he is still learning, knows the players strengths and weaknesses, and with a little continuity things might look a lot different.

But if he gets canned and Watson takes over, or Bjorken, then I will hope for the best. I'm not sure what that will do for this season though. The young guys are already playing now so they are developing.

Post #177 » by **ATTL** » Sun Jan 3, 2016 12:19 am

We have no rim defense or rebounding.
The Lakers are playing better than us lately and there's a very real chance we drop below the Lakers. Did not see that coming.

KLEON · Post #178 » by **KLEON** » Sun Jan 3, 2016 12:19 am

Just sign Mike James or Tony Delk to a 10 day contract

Mulhollanddrive · Post #179 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sun Jan 3, 2016 12:20 am

Morris no game time.

thamadkant · Post #180 » by **thamadkant** » Sun Jan 3, 2016 12:20 am

Cutter wrote:Someone posted this observation previously about how half this forum has been wanting to tank for draft picks, then once we start losing become outraged and want the coach fired. Seems bi-polar to me.

The issue is Hornacek is still playing heaps of veterans.

A committed tank coach is someone like Brett Brown and Scott.

Hornacek is desperate to leave Phoenix atleast with a 50/50 win loss record.