2019 free agency and trade ideas: part 2 Downloading

[DirtyDez]

With recent news the 2020 offseason is starting to look like it might have potential:

• Durant Achilles injury - I'm expecting him to opt in now
• AD trade - a dark horse team might give the Pelicans a offer they can't refuse in an attempt to convince him to stay like OKC did what Paul George and Toronto is trying to do with Leonard. E.g. I could see Boston swinging for the fences in an attempt to stay relevant. This would make is far more likely that AD becomes a free agent in 2020.
• Kristaps Porzingis move and recovery with dallas doesn't make him an automatic extension candidate. The mavs may pick up his option instead, which would make Porzingis a free agent in 2020.

Then there are a couple of interesting free agents as well. Our front office should play it smart this offseason and keep enough capspace for a max signing in 2020. If the Suns stay healthy and show promise this year we might be a dark horse to pick up a difference maker in free agency.

Am I crazy to think that teams would *STILL* max out Durant even with this? Especially the Knicks. They'd max him out even if he was losing a leg

With his skill set no. Look around the league and guys like broken down Gallo are still averaging 20 a game. Even if KD never touches top-3 again he’s still an all nba player for years to come IMO.

[Kerrsed]

Yeah, teams will still throw max contracts at Durant. He is still the best player in the league and teams will always gamble on that. I also think he is completely done with GS. Yeah yeah we saw the sob story that Bob Meyers gave, looked rather fake to me.....and others on twitter. Also heard the same thing about Durant not wanting GS team officials checking him out or doing anything with him. Sure, it was his choice to play through injury tonight, but you can bet damn well that he was also pressured and pushed in order to do so.

No way he takes his player option now. Multiple teams will still be throwing max contracts at him and he better lock one down (Longterm) before everyone see's exactly how much this injury will effect the rest of his career. Even if he comes back at only 70% the player he was he will still be an all-star.

[Qwigglez]

Better yet, nobody wants Durant except us. The team and Durant don't mind that he'd be out a year. Just wait and boom in 2020 we are gonna be legit.

[Years90Suns]

I really think that Green, of the Clippers, would be the best fit for us at PF.
Not all starters have to be stars.
We are thinking about a line-up of Booker, Johnson, Ayton, Warren and a PF. All of these four are mor eknown to be offensive than deffensive players. None is a very good rebounder, a tough guy of something like that.
So we need a PF that can defend, rebound, do the dirty work and also, hit the three.
Mirotic can hit the three, but is not good at any of the other things.
Randdle is good at defending, rebounding... but lacks outside shooting efficiency.

I believe JaMychal Green could be a great fit with us next to Ayton for an appropriate price.

I love Randdle, but I believe he is not the player we need, and he probably would demand 4/5 million more per year than Green.

Johnson/XXX/Melton
Booker/Bridges
Oubre/Warren/Bridges
Green/Warren
Ayton/XXX

I prefer another player over Holmes, who is passionate and a force, but who also is so limited.
DEdmon, of the Hawks, could be a great fit if he is willing to play for 6/7 milions, alhough he probably will demand double than that.

Uhm...I'm ok with JaMychal, but some of your logic is faulty. Mirotic is a pretty decent rebounder. And Randle is not good at defending, at all.

It is true that Mirotic is a good rebounder under certain circumstances. He is not a bad defender, also.
He is a better overall player that Green, but in the one hand that's not what we need. In the other one, he would be far more expensive, I guess.

Then I think Randdle is not a bad defender, but he has to defend strong guys who do not move around much.

[Vladimir Taltos]

Dinwiddie
Grant Willams
Oubre
Bridges
Flush...call it a summer...and not a bad one at that...

[Slim Charless]

He wouldn't make sense with Ayton. I mean, draymond would make sense, if he were like 14 mil a year. Or a guy like him. He's old, but paul milsap would be a likely candidate. Someone like him but younger, little more defensive minded.

Milasap would be great too but yeah he's even older then Draymond. Capella wouldn't be playing as C but as our PF in that scenario I laid out. His defense in particular his rebounding would be great next to Ayton. His defense and Ayton's potentially fantastic offense could compliment each other nicely.

I get that he was run off the court against GS but who besides Gordan really looked good? We need to worry about the basics like defense and rebounding and making it to .500 before we need think about beating the warriors in the playoffs.

I'm talking offensively. Ayton likes to be inside n capella does as well. clogged interior. Also, defensively, most pfs these days would give either of those 2 problems.

I'm guessing you mean drawing them out towards the 3 line but looking at the % numbers it's not that impressive as that relates to the various 4s throughout the league.
http://proxy.espn.com/nba/statistics/player?stat=3-points&sort=threePointFieldGoalPct&seasontype=2&position=power-forwards

GS series not with standing Capella can switch fairly well in the PnR. Offensively yes there would be some issues but Ayton's so young we don't have any idea of what his final form will look like. He can add an outside presence to his game.

[BobbieL]

Yeah, teams will still throw max contracts at Durant. He is still the best player in the league and teams will always gamble on that. I also think he is completely done with GS. Yeah yeah we saw the sob story that Bob Meyers gave, looked rather fake to me.....and others on twitter. Also heard the same thing about Durant not wanting GS team officials checking him out or doing anything with him. Sure, it was his choice to play through injury tonight, but you can bet damn well that he was also pressured and pushed in order to do so.

No way he takes his player option now. Multiple teams will still be throwing max contracts at him and he better lock one down (Longterm) before everyone see's exactly how much this injury will effect the rest of his career. Even if he comes back at only 70% the player he was he will still be an all-star.

I think the Knicks should go in on AD and sign Durant or offer the max. Give him a year.

Russell probably stays with the Nets now


Who knows maybe GSW offers the max. But if you are the Knicks or Nets - why not offer Durant the max anyway

[Crives]

The silver lining of this KD injury is that it will probably be a lot easier for us to create cap space if needed. On the other side this might make it tougher to keep Oubre on a reasonable deal and acquire names like randle.

[BobbieL]

The silver lining of this KD injury is that it will probably be a lot easier for us to create cap space if needed. On the other side this might make it tougher to keep Oubre on a reasonable deal and acquire names like randle.

I thought about how this affects Oubre and it is a domino to fall if you will. But Oubre is pretty far down the line too but all it takes is one team.

Two things:
1) unless he opts in, a team like the Knicks probably still max him

2) a guy like Cousins really might get paid by the Knicks or Lakers if Durant opts in - or if they miss out

[WeekapaugGroove]

Yeah, teams will still throw max contracts at Durant. He is still the best player in the league and teams will always gamble on that. I also think he is completely done with GS. Yeah yeah we saw the sob story that Bob Meyers gave, looked rather fake to me.....and others on twitter. Also heard the same thing about Durant not wanting GS team officials checking him out or doing anything with him. Sure, it was his choice to play through injury tonight, but you can bet damn well that he was also pressured and pushed in order to do so.

No way he takes his player option now. Multiple teams will still be throwing max contracts at him and he better lock one down (Longterm) before everyone see's exactly how much this injury will effect the rest of his career. Even if he comes back at only 70% the player he was he will still be an all-star.

One tricky part of a durrant contract for any team will be that I can't imagine any insurance company will underwrite the deal. That's a big deal as it typically cover 80% of the money when a guy misses a year. This was an issue way back when amare was a FA.

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[Wilber85]

The silver lining of this KD injury is that it will probably be a lot easier for us to create cap space if needed. On the other side this might make it tougher to keep Oubre on a reasonable deal and acquire names like randle.

I thought about how this affects Oubre and it is a domino to fall if you will. But Oubre is pretty far down the line too but all it takes is one team.

Two things:
1) unless he opts in, a team like the Knicks probably still max him

2) a guy like Cousins really might get paid by the Knicks or Lakers if Durant opts in - or if they miss out

Nobody is going to max Oubre . You are crazy

Also cousins may get a 1 year - $10-15 mill contract but I don’t see any long term

[Crives]

The silver lining of this KD injury is that it will probably be a lot easier for us to create cap space if needed. On the other side this might make it tougher to keep Oubre on a reasonable deal and acquire names like randle.

I thought about how this affects Oubre and it is a domino to fall if you will. But Oubre is pretty far down the line too but all it takes is one team.

Two things:
1) unless he opts in, a team like the Knicks probably still max him

2) a guy like Cousins really might get paid by the Knicks or Lakers if Durant opts in - or if they miss out

Nobody is going to max Oubre . You are crazy

Also cousins may get a 1 year - $10-15 mill contract but I don’t see any long term

Not a max... all it takes is an 18m per offer

[BobbieL]

The silver lining of this KD injury is that it will probably be a lot easier for us to create cap space if needed. On the other side this might make it tougher to keep Oubre on a reasonable deal and acquire names like randle.

I thought about how this affects Oubre and it is a domino to fall if you will. But Oubre is pretty far down the line too but all it takes is one team.

Two things:
1) unless he opts in, a team like the Knicks probably still max him

2) a guy like Cousins really might get paid by the Knicks or Lakers if Durant opts in - or if they miss out

Nobody is going to max Oubre . You are crazy

Also cousins may get a 1 year - $10-15 mill contract but I don’t see any long term

Never said anything about maxing Oubre just that if the dominoes fall, a team with some cap space might want to spend it like 2016.

As for Cousins - I don’t think he is getting a 4 or 5 year deal but I can see a 3/36-40 type deal. Again if the Knicks or Lakers want to spend.

[Wilber85]

The silver lining of this KD injury is that it will probably be a lot easier for us to create cap space if needed. On the other side this might make it tougher to keep Oubre on a reasonable deal and acquire names like randle.

I thought about how this affects Oubre and it is a domino to fall if you will. But Oubre is pretty far down the line too but all it takes is one team.

Two things:
1) unless he opts in, a team like the Knicks probably still max him

2) a guy like Cousins really might get paid by the Knicks or Lakers if Durant opts in - or if they miss out

Nobody is going to max Oubre . You are crazy

Also cousins may get a 1 year - $10-15 mill contract but I don’t see any long term

[bwgood77]

The silver lining of this KD injury is that it will probably be a lot easier for us to create cap space if needed. On the other side this might make it tougher to keep Oubre on a reasonable deal and acquire names like randle.

For this summer, Oubre's deal doesn't matter (unless for some reason they inked it before signing others). His cap hold his $9.6 million regardless of what he signs for....and we will sign others first and then sign him to whatever deal we agree to if we agree to one and go over the cap. Of course it would hurt cap space in future summers if the deal is big.

[MathiasPW]

Yeah, teams will still throw max contracts at Durant. He is still the best player in the league and teams will always gamble on that. I also think he is completely done with GS. Yeah yeah we saw the sob story that Bob Meyers gave, looked rather fake to me.....and others on twitter. Also heard the same thing about Durant not wanting GS team officials checking him out or doing anything with him. Sure, it was his choice to play through injury tonight, but you can bet damn well that he was also pressured and pushed in order to do so.

No way he takes his player option now. Multiple teams will still be throwing max contracts at him and he better lock one down (Longterm) before everyone see's exactly how much this injury will effect the rest of his career. Even if he comes back at only 70% the player he was he will still be an all-star.

One tricky part of a durrant contract for any team will be that I can't imagine any insurance company will underwrite the deal. That's a big deal as it typically cover 80% of the money when a guy misses a year. This was an issue way back when amare was a FA.

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Insurance companies make money by pricing risk. Durant's contract is not a risk, it's a guaranteed loss. They won't sign up for that.

A team signing Durant for the 4 year max means they are signing the post-achilles-tear Durant for 133% of the max for 3 years (salary wise, not cap wise). Will someone do it? I'm guessing he opts in and stays with the Warriors and proceeds to have a Kawhi-Spurs saga with them next season.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Yeah, teams will still throw max contracts at Durant. He is still the best player in the league and teams will always gamble on that. I also think he is completely done with GS. Yeah yeah we saw the sob story that Bob Meyers gave, looked rather fake to me.....and others on twitter. Also heard the same thing about Durant not wanting GS team officials checking him out or doing anything with him. Sure, it was his choice to play through injury tonight, but you can bet damn well that he was also pressured and pushed in order to do so.

No way he takes his player option now. Multiple teams will still be throwing max contracts at him and he better lock one down (Longterm) before everyone see's exactly how much this injury will effect the rest of his career. Even if he comes back at only 70% the player he was he will still be an all-star.

One tricky part of a durrant contract for any team will be that I can't imagine any insurance company will underwrite the deal. That's a big deal as it typically cover 80% of the money when a guy misses a year. This was an issue way back when amare was a FA.

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Insurance companies make money by pricing risk. Durant's contract is not a risk, it's a guaranteed loss. They won't sign up for that.

A team signing Durant for the 4 year max means they are signing the post-achilles-tear Durant for 133% of the max for 3 years (salary wise, not cap wise). Will someone do it? I'm guessing he opts in and stays with the Warriors and proceeds to have a Kawhi-Spurs saga with them next season.

Yup. The interesting thing is if durrant opts in to next year's deal and missed the season I'd guess it's covered on the policy from when he signed this contract. So that's ideal for the warriors from a cash standpoint. But durrant is obviously under no obligation to help them out with this. Very curious to see how it unfolds. I'd guess his agents need to back channel and see if a team will give him a max before deciding to opt out or not.

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[bwgood77]

Yeah, teams will still throw max contracts at Durant. He is still the best player in the league and teams will always gamble on that. I also think he is completely done with GS. Yeah yeah we saw the sob story that Bob Meyers gave, looked rather fake to me.....and others on twitter. Also heard the same thing about Durant not wanting GS team officials checking him out or doing anything with him. Sure, it was his choice to play through injury tonight, but you can bet damn well that he was also pressured and pushed in order to do so.

No way he takes his player option now. Multiple teams will still be throwing max contracts at him and he better lock one down (Longterm) before everyone see's exactly how much this injury will effect the rest of his career. Even if he comes back at only 70% the player he was he will still be an all-star.

One tricky part of a durrant contract for any team will be that I can't imagine any insurance company will underwrite the deal. That's a big deal as it typically cover 80% of the money when a guy misses a year. This was an issue way back when amare was a FA.

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I was thinking he would almost for sure opt in with this injury especially if he was considering GS still. But if he already wanted out and that team gave him a max he might opt out. Not sure how the dates work out though. He would have to be guaranteed a max to leave I think. But long term security with this would be important. I think many teams might be hesitant, but probably not NY. I don't know that Brooklyn would do it at this point. Not with them wanting to sell. They want to win now. I think his suitors went down considerably. I don't know that a team ready to win now would do it.

[MathiasPW]

One tricky part of a durrant contract for any team will be that I can't imagine any insurance company will underwrite the deal. That's a big deal as it typically cover 80% of the money when a guy misses a year. This was an issue way back when amare was a FA.

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Insurance companies make money by pricing risk. Durant's contract is not a risk, it's a guaranteed loss. They won't sign up for that.

A team signing Durant for the 4 year max means they are signing the post-achilles-tear Durant for 133% of the max for 3 years (salary wise, not cap wise). Will someone do it? I'm guessing he opts in and stays with the Warriors and proceeds to have a Kawhi-Spurs saga with them next season.

Yup. The interesting thing is if durrant opts in to next year's deal and missed the season I'd guess it's covered on the policy from when he signed this contract. So that's ideal for the warriors from a cash standpoint. But durrant is obviously under no obligation to help them out with this. Very curious to see how it unfolds. I'd guess his agents need to back channel and see if a team will give him a max before deciding to opt out or not.

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Would be pretty badass if he puts the Warriors on the spot by asking them to resign him to a non-insured max and they refuse. PR nightmare

[BobbieL]

Insurance companies make money by pricing risk. Durant's contract is not a risk, it's a guaranteed loss. They won't sign up for that.

A team signing Durant for the 4 year max means they are signing the post-achilles-tear Durant for 133% of the max for 3 years (salary wise, not cap wise). Will someone do it? I'm guessing he opts in and stays with the Warriors and proceeds to have a Kawhi-Spurs saga with them next season.

Yup. The interesting thing is if durrant opts in to next year's deal and missed the season I'd guess it's covered on the policy from when he signed this contract. So that's ideal for the warriors from a cash standpoint. But durrant is obviously under no obligation to help them out with this. Very curious to see how it unfolds. I'd guess his agents need to back channel and see if a team will give him a max before deciding to opt out or not.

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Would be pretty badass if he puts the Warriors on the spot by asking them to resign him to a non-insured max and they refuse. PR nightmare

Warriors owners save like 1b if he doesn’t sign a max deal and Klay and Green do sign long term deals. Between salary and luxury tax over the next five years.