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[wordsenuff]

definitely rooting for the nets! don't know if i'll watch every game like I do with the suns, but i'll for sure be watching some games.

[SuperSunsFan]

would be quite funny if Mike D tries to pull a lawerence Frank on Nash.

[bigfoot]

So Wiseman and Green from the warriors currently out with covid

[bwgood77]

So Wiseman and Green from the warriors currently out with covid

It probably benefits teams provided it's not a serious case if players have already had it or get it before the season.

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So Wiseman and Green from the warriors currently out with covid

It probably benefits teams provided it's not a serious case if players have already had it or get it before the season.

Man I was thinking the exact same thing this past weekend. It’s honestly better to get it out of the way not than have to deal with it say in February or March. Of course like you mentioned, only if it’s not a serious case.

Seems imminent that all or most of the ~500 players in the league will get it. Many have already gotten it between March 2019 till now. I know there’s a chance that apparently a person can get it twice but hopefully the vaccine is ready for distribution by the time the antibodies wear out for a covid survivor.

[bwgood77]

So Wiseman and Green from the warriors currently out with covid

It probably benefits teams provided it's not a serious case if players have already had it or get it before the season.

Man I was thinking the exact same thing this past weekend. It’s honestly better to get it out of the way not than have to deal with it say in February or March. Of course like you mentioned, only if it’s not a serious case.

Seems imminent that all or most of the ~500 players in the league will get it. Many have already gotten it between March 2019 till now. I know there’s a chance that apparently a person can get it twice but hopefully the vaccine is ready for distribution by the time the antibodies wear out for a covid survivor.

I wish we knew which Suns players have had it. I'd feel better if I knew Booker, Paul, Bridges and Ayton already had it. If any of them, particularly the first 3 are out for an extended period of time, I think it would really hurt. The good thing is I feel good about our guard depth. Not necessarily Carter and Payne, but Moore or Galloway would be decent next to Booker, but of course not having Paul would really hurt.

In some ways it might be better if Booker got it than Paul, and at first when I started typing this, I didn't think that was the case, but Paul with Moore and Bridges would be a very solid backcourt still, and I think other guys would really step up.

Or even a lineup of a killer defensive backcourt in Paul and Bridges, with Cam, Crowder and Ayton or one of Cam/Crowder and Saric at PF.

As for getting it a second time, I think when this is the case, if it even happens often (which I don't think it does), it is typically a minor case without much for symptoms because you still have built up antibodies, even if not enough to prevent it completely.

Obviously with Utah, we know Gobert and Mitchell had it...and I think some other stars...there is a good chance Towns had it and I think Jokic may have had it.

The worst would be if it knocked our 3 or 4 or more of our players, particularly more than 1 or 2 of the starters.

[bigfoot]

It probably benefits teams provided it's not a serious case if players have already had it or get it before the season.

Man I was thinking the exact same thing this past weekend. It’s honestly better to get it out of the way not than have to deal with it say in February or March. Of course like you mentioned, only if it’s not a serious case.

Seems imminent that all or most of the ~500 players in the league will get it. Many have already gotten it between March 2019 till now. I know there’s a chance that apparently a person can get it twice but hopefully the vaccine is ready for distribution by the time the antibodies wear out for a covid survivor.

I wish we knew which Suns players have had it. I'd feel better if I knew Booker, Paul, Bridges and Ayton already had it. If any of them, particularly the first 3 are out for an extended period of time, I think it would really hurt. The good thing is I feel good about our guard depth. Not necessarily Carter and Payne, but Moore or Galloway would be decent next to Booker, but of course not having Paul would really hurt.

In some ways it might be better if Booker got it than Paul, and at first when I started typing this, I didn't think that was the case, but Paul with Moore and Bridges would be a very solid backcourt still, and I think other guys would really step up.

Or even a lineup of a killer defensive backcourt in Paul and Bridges, with Cam, Crowder and Ayton or one of Cam/Crowder and Saric at PF.

As for getting it a second time, I think when this is the case, if it even happens often (which I don't think it does), it is typically a minor case without much for symptoms because you still have built up antibodies, even if not enough to prevent it completely.

Obviously with Utah, we know Gobert and Mitchell had it...and I think some other stars...there is a good chance Towns had it and I think Jokic may have had it.

The worst would be if it knocked our 3 or 4 or more of our players, particularly more than 1 or 2 of the starters.

The question is does Crowder have it or is there another reason he has not been seen at camp. Also, I don't think the young guys should want it. Mo Bamba got it early on in the bubble and is still dealing with symptoms.

[Revived]

It probably benefits teams provided it's not a serious case if players have already had it or get it before the season.

Man I was thinking the exact same thing this past weekend. It’s honestly better to get it out of the way not than have to deal with it say in February or March. Of course like you mentioned, only if it’s not a serious case.

Seems imminent that all or most of the ~500 players in the league will get it. Many have already gotten it between March 2019 till now. I know there’s a chance that apparently a person can get it twice but hopefully the vaccine is ready for distribution by the time the antibodies wear out for a covid survivor.

I wish we knew which Suns players have had it. I'd feel better if I knew Booker, Paul, Bridges and Ayton already had it. If any of them, particularly the first 3 are out for an extended period of time, I think it would really hurt. The good thing is I feel good about our guard depth. Not necessarily Carter and Payne, but Moore or Galloway would be decent next to Booker, but of course not having Paul would really hurt.

In some ways it might be better if Booker got it than Paul, and at first when I started typing this, I didn't think that was the case, but Paul with Moore and Bridges would be a very solid backcourt still, and I think other guys would really step up.

Or even a lineup of a killer defensive backcourt in Paul and Bridges, with Cam, Crowder and Ayton or one of Cam/Crowder and Saric at PF.

As for getting it a second time, I think when this is the case, if it even happens often (which I don't think it does), it is typically a minor case without much for symptoms because you still have built up antibodies, even if not enough to prevent it completely.

Obviously with Utah, we know Gobert and Mitchell had it...and I think some other stars...there is a good chance Towns had it and I think Jokic may have had it.

The worst would be if it knocked our 3 or 4 or more of our players, particularly more than 1 or 2 of the starters.

So apparently at the Dec 1st testing, 48 out of 546 players tested positive. I’m gonna assume that at least another 48 players tested positive between March till October/November (including guys like Gobert/Mitchell/Jokic etc).

Even if there’s 600 players this season in the NBA (with added roster spots), that means already at least 1/6th of the league has got it and survived through it.

We cant afford to lose both Booker AND CP3 together for a 2 week stretch. That’s just way too much playmaking that’s gone. If Ayton got it, I think the rookie can hopefully fill in and we can go on fine till he comes back. Bridges and Cam would be a significant loss too.

With the amount of back to back games that the Suns have early on in the season, it really will suck to lose guys for any extended stretch of games.

[King4Day]

I don't expect Booker to want out anymore since the team is built to win now, but with what Harden is doing, it shows that no matter how many years you have on your deal, a player can make things uncomfortable to get what they want.

[alamin330]

Let’s not forget who Nash is
1. Traitor (asked for a trade to the LA lakers). He has no loyalty to anyone.
2. Cited family as being the reason he declined a suns front office job but then goes and takes a job with golden state in Northern California which is furthest from his family in LA than it is in PHX

You can root for whoever your heart desires but let’s keep things in focus. Nash had some great years for the suns but at the end of the day he’s a traitor and he wants nothing to do with the organization.

I’ll root for Amare as a player and his future endeavors. He gave suns every chance of keeping him. He even asked to retired a sun. Sarver did Amare dirty so I will root for him.

As far as Dantoni goes. He’s had plenty of chances to prove his style can win. And with all those chances he always fails. He took head coaching jobs away from black candidates just to show us that he’s not a good coach. Now he’s taking assistant coach jobs away from other people.
How many chances will a terrible white coach get before a black man gets 1 chance? So I can’t root for him or Nash.

[m1chal]

He took head coaching jobs away from black candidates just to show us that he’s not a good coach. Now he’s taking assistant coach jobs away from other people.
How many chances will a terrible white coach get before a black man gets 1 chance? So I can’t root for him or Nash.

I can't really understand why you Americans talk so much about skin color. NBA is a huge business and if someone gets picked over someone else it's a matter of his/her qualifications, skills etc. When it's a millions dollars contract on the table there is no place for "white privilege". Wasn't Stephen A. Smith criticized for a similar opinion on Nash hiring?
What you are saying here, that a terrible white coach takes a job away from a black candidate sounds really bad to me, sorry.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I don't expect Booker to want out anymore since the team is built to win now, but with what Harden is doing, it shows that no matter how many years you have on your deal, a player can make things uncomfortable to get what they want.

I have a little different take on this. I think it's interesting that the media which is typically fully on the players side on these things is pretty anti Hardens antics here. Now that might just be a one off scenario because of just how badly Harden is handling the situation but maybe just maybe it signifies a shift in theit thinking in these situations.

If this goes on much longer I actually think the league, not the rockets, should and will step in. You can't make the teams do it because that puts them in a **** situation where they look like the bad guy and hurts them with future stars.

My take on player empowerment is I have ZERO issue with guys walking as FAs and also no issue with a player telling a team a year before they hit FA that they don't plan on resigning. But when a player has more than that left on their contract it gets dicey and any trade requests need to stay in house.

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[jcsunsfan]

Let’s not forget who Nash is
1. Traitor (asked for a trade to the LA lakers). He has no loyalty to anyone.
2. Cited family as being the reason he declined a suns front office job but then goes and takes a job with golden state in Northern California which is furthest from his family in LA than it is in PHX

You can root for whoever your heart desires but let’s keep things in focus. Nash had some great years for the suns but at the end of the day he’s a traitor and he wants nothing to do with the organization.

I’ll root for Amare as a player and his future endeavors. He gave suns every chance of keeping him. He even asked to retired a sun. Sarver did Amare dirty so I will root for him.

As far as Dantoni goes. He’s had plenty of chances to prove his style can win. And with all those chances he always fails. He took head coaching jobs away from black candidates just to show us that he’s not a good coach. Now he’s taking assistant coach jobs away from other people.
How many chances will a terrible white coach get before a black man gets 1 chance? So I can’t root for him or Nash.

DAntoni's style can win, its just DAntoni that can't. Kerr showed it can win in GS. But he was willing to ask players to put out effort defensively and he was willing to play more than a 7 man rotation.

HOwever, race has absolutely nothing to do with it.

[alamin330]

He took head coaching jobs away from black candidates just to show us that he’s not a good coach. Now he’s taking assistant coach jobs away from other people.
How many chances will a terrible white coach get before a black man gets 1 chance? So I can’t root for him or Nash.

I can't really understand why you Americans talk so much about skin color. NBA is a huge business and if someone gets picked over someone else it's a matter of his/her qualifications, skills etc. When it's a millions dollars contract on the table there is no place for "white privilege". Wasn't Stephen A. Smith criticized for a similar opinion on Nash hiring?
What you are saying here, that a terrible white coach takes a job away from a black candidate sounds really bad to me, sorry.

That’s exactly what I’m saying. How many chances does Stan van gundy get before Sam Cassell gets 1. Van Gundy is not a good coach but he keeps getting hired. Yes it has everything to do with race over qualifications when it comes to front office and coaching in every sport.
Are you saying that white men are historically more qualified to coach and build basketball teams that have been historically predominantly black? That makes no sense. In no other profession would we say something like that and if the roles were reversed there would be the same arguments if not worse from white people. Or there would be no support or sabotage (Reference Tulsa, ok)

[bwgood77]

He took head coaching jobs away from black candidates just to show us that he’s not a good coach. Now he’s taking assistant coach jobs away from other people.
How many chances will a terrible white coach get before a black man gets 1 chance? So I can’t root for him or Nash.

I can't really understand why you Americans talk so much about skin color. NBA is a huge business and if someone gets picked over someone else it's a matter of his/her qualifications, skills etc. When it's a millions dollars contract on the table there is no place for "white privilege". Wasn't Stephen A. Smith criticized for a similar opinion on Nash hiring?
What you are saying here, that a terrible white coach takes a job away from a black candidate sounds really bad to me, sorry.

That’s exactly what I’m saying. How many chances does Stan van gundy get before Sam Cassell gets 1. Van Gundy is not a good coach but he keeps getting hired. Yes it has everything to do with race over qualifications when it comes to front office and coaching in every sport.
Are you saying that white men are historically more qualified to coach and build basketball teams that have been historically predominantly black? That makes no sense. In no other profession would we say something like that and if the roles were reversed there would be the same arguments if not worse from white people. Or there would be no support or sabotage (Reference Tulsa, ok)

I don't think anyone says this "White people are more qualified"...now has there been bias towards white people over the years? Perhaps so, but this isn't isolated to basketball. It happens not only with sports, but in a lot of professions.

There probably are just as many or probably more white people trying to get into the professional basketball world in some capacity though...it's just fewer of them can make it as players...so they take the avenue of analytics, scouting, being cap experts, coaching, etc. Players are predominantly Black but I would guess there are not as many who can't make it in their playing career that get into analytics, coaching, scouting and cap expertise.

I agree that it would be good for there to be more Black coaches, however, I don't think someone like Steve Nash got hired because he was white, or D'Antoni got hired because he was white. D'Antoni revolutionized the offense of the NBA. Kerr stole that part and happened to have some phenomenal defensive players in Bogut, Draymond, Iguodala and Klay.

Most of the Black coaches are ex players, and many of the White coaches are career coaches. I think it's probably easier to be a successful coach, at least off the bat, if you have come up through the coaching ranks than come up as a player, though there have obviously been successful ex player coaches who have been White as well (Riley, Jackson, Sloan, Kerr, etc).

[King4Day]

Let’s not forget who Nash is
1. Traitor (asked for a trade to the LA lakers). He has no loyalty to anyone.
2. Cited family as being the reason he declined a suns front office job but then goes and takes a job with golden state in Northern California which is furthest from his family in LA than it is in PHX

You can root for whoever your heart desires but let’s keep things in focus. Nash had some great years for the suns but at the end of the day he’s a traitor and he wants nothing to do with the organization.

I’ll root for Amare as a player and his future endeavors. He gave suns every chance of keeping him. He even asked to retired a sun. Sarver did Amare dirty so I will root for him.

As far as Dantoni goes. He’s had plenty of chances to prove his style can win. And with all those chances he always fails. He took head coaching jobs away from black candidates just to show us that he’s not a good coach. Now he’s taking assistant coach jobs away from other people.
How many chances will a terrible white coach get before a black man gets 1 chance? So I can’t root for him or Nash.

If Nash going to LA is how you'll remember him by, then that's unfortunate. I had no issue with him wanting to go there. Sarver gave him nothing to work with in the end.
I'm a Suns fan first and the Suns got 2 firsts for an aging Nash. Where he's sent off to, and why, doesn't matter to me.

As for the front office concern, I wasn't aware he was asked (maybe I was back then but I forget) but maybe he was trying to let down the organization easier. Either way, it doesn't matter. He wanted to be in California and him not picking the Suns doesn't change the outlook of the franchise.
The only thing Suns fans have a right to be upset with him over is the fact he was supposedly drunk during his ROH speech. If true, then that was unfair to the fans.

'Had some great years' is quite an understatement too. Nash led the franchise to the most elite stretch of success in its history.

As for Nash taking a coaching job away from black candidates, there's no doubt it was run past KD and Kyrie. The team was thinking of its stars first and foremost. If KD said he wanted Vaughn to be the guy, he would have. If they wanted Marc Jackson, he would have been hired. Hiring Nash was strictly to appease their stars, so they are to blame if people want to get upset about it.

[King4Day]

He took head coaching jobs away from black candidates just to show us that he’s not a good coach. Now he’s taking assistant coach jobs away from other people.
How many chances will a terrible white coach get before a black man gets 1 chance? So I can’t root for him or Nash.

I can't really understand why you Americans talk so much about skin color. NBA is a huge business and if someone gets picked over someone else it's a matter of his/her qualifications, skills etc. When it's a millions dollars contract on the table there is no place for "white privilege". Wasn't Stephen A. Smith criticized for a similar opinion on Nash hiring?
What you are saying here, that a terrible white coach takes a job away from a black candidate sounds really bad to me, sorry.

That’s exactly what I’m saying. How many chances does Stan van gundy get before Sam Cassell gets 1. Van Gundy is not a good coach but he keeps getting hired. Yes it has everything to do with race over qualifications when it comes to front office and coaching in every sport.
Are you saying that white men are historically more qualified to coach and build basketball teams that have been historically predominantly black? That makes no sense. In no other profession would we say something like that and if the roles were reversed there would be the same arguments if not worse from white people. Or there would be no support or sabotage (Reference Tulsa, ok)

I think part of Van Gundy (and Thibs) getting hired has to do with their experience in development. They are both on very young teams. While this hasn't led to wins for them, these teams are looking for experienced leadership.
Van Gundy was surprising to me, only that he kinda came out of nowhere. I don't know what kind of coach Cassell is yet so I can't judge.

The Suns tried these new coaches and it burned them left and right (Terry Porter, Lindsey Hunter, Earl Watson, Igor Kokoskov, etc).
I do believe guys like Cassell & Vaughn will eventually be hired though. Probably in the next couple of years.

[RunDogGun]

Yikes, that was some strange stuff. Nash was incredible for this organization. He won two MVPs here and often made something from nothing. He took small pay for what he produced and never complained about it. He literally bled for us. He asking to go to LA helped us out greatly. Unfortunately our GMs have sucked in the past, and didn't do well with those picks we got. I don't blame him for joining Kerr in GS. It was a smart move on his part. He is in no way a traitor.

Amare was dumber than a bag of hammers. He went on a national tour trying to promote himself for every team, while still being under contract. He played no defense for us. We did a sign and trade for him. Again, having dumb GMs we did dumb things after that sign and trade. Why we didn't ask NY for David Lee is beyond me, but oh well. If going on a national tour selling yourself to other teams, while not doing it for the team you are under contract with (remember the tour was before his contract was up) is not a "traitor" move, but doing a sign and trade to give your team 4 draft picks a year before you retire is, then we must be in some crazy Covid insane world.

As for D'Antoni: I think he is a good coach, but was just terrible at in game adjustments. Often he put himself and the team a game behind in the playoffs, and just got out coached by better coaches. He will do well for Nash. I would love to see some of those practices and hear in game coaching, since Nash was such a great floor general for us. I wish him well, won't be rooting for BKN since I am just a Suns fan, but hope he adds to his legacy as a great basketball player. Both he and Grant Hill will always be my favorite Suns' players, and even though they are not with our team, I hope they are successful in whatever they do.

[bwgood77]

I don't care about Nash's success post Suns at all. Whether it be the Lakers, Warriors, Nets, wherever.

I don't begrudge him that much for wanting to go to LA as we were not exactly surrounding him with much talent, but asking to be traded to a direct rival is far worse in my mind than what Amare did. Amare would have signed with us had we offered him what NY did, but we wouldn't because insurance wasn't going to cover it, and NY was willing to take that risk...so we basically let him go and really didn't make an effort to sign him.

I don't care if people check out several places in FA....they should.

[NTB]

I was supporting Nash's decision tbh because I wanted him to get a ring finally.