Sarver ESPN story

[bwgood77]

Still a big fan of the goat in the office prank.

I’m growing to despise people getting gigged for comments 10-15+ yrs past… using today’s standards on yesterday’s words. Go watch some tv from the 70s/early 80s…. You’d be shocked. meanwhile, the ‘F’ bomb is live and so frequent in today’s oration. Weird ass world we have now. We have the offender police running rampant, telling us all when we should be offended.

No doubt Sarver stuck his big foam finger in a mess. Have to think McDisgruntledUnemployedBBallExec is in the middle of this all. F him still

70's and 80's are literally 50-40 years ago now. We're talking about allegations from within the last decade, within the past 5 years.

I don't doubt McD and Watson have few good things to say about Sarver but are you suggesting they are bitter about their exit so they making up lies just to blast a bad owner they worked for previously? Are we suggesting everyone just butthurt so to pile on Sarver?

It's been fairly obvious McD has been this way. As for Watson, yes, I think he is too. Sarver should certainly have treated that situation better, but the whole Rich Paul thing had to do with the Bledsoe negotiation that went sour. Something went really bad there.

And I remember specifically McD saying "Bledsoe is getting bad advice" and I also remember McD saying in interviews "He never agreed with Sarver on hiring Watson" and distanced himself from Watson and now he is backing him. It's ridiculous.

In fact, just thinking that we at one time had Sarver as owner, McD as GM, and Watson as coach...DAMN how embarrassing.

[lilfishi22]

70's and 80's are literally 50-40 years ago now. We're talking about allegations from within the last decade, within the past 5 years.

I don't doubt McD and Watson have few good things to say about Sarver but are you suggesting they are bitter about their exit so they making up lies just to blast a bad owner they worked for previously? Are we suggesting everyone just butthurt so to pile on Sarver?

It's been fairly obvious McD has been this way. As for Watson, yes, I think he is too. Sarver should certainly have treated that situation better, but the whole Rich Paul thing had to do with the Bledsoe negotiation that went sour. Something went really bad there.

And I remember specifically McD saying "Bledsoe is getting bad advice" and I also remember McD saying in interviews "He never agreed with Sarver on hiring Watson" and distanced himself from Watson and now he is backing him. It's ridiculous.

In fact, just thinking that we at one time had Sarver as owner, McD as GM, and Watson as coach...DAMN how embarrassing.

It's one thing to be bitter about a bad exit from a job, it's another to make up lies and put it out there publicly. McD maybe he could do it. I don't see Watson being that kinda guy.

Also yes the Sarver>McD>Watson era was really rock bottom.

[bwgood77]

It's been fairly obvious McD has been this way. As for Watson, yes, I think he is too. Sarver should certainly have treated that situation better, but the whole Rich Paul thing had to do with the Bledsoe negotiation that went sour. Something went really bad there.

And I remember specifically McD saying "Bledsoe is getting bad advice" and I also remember McD saying in interviews "He never agreed with Sarver on hiring Watson" and distanced himself from Watson and now he is backing him. It's ridiculous.

In fact, just thinking that we at one time had Sarver as owner, McD as GM, and Watson as coach...DAMN how embarrassing.

It's one thing to be bitter about a bad exit from a job, it's another to make up lies and put it out there publicly. McD maybe he could do it. I don't see Watson being that kinda guy.

Also yes the Sarver>McD>Watson era was really rock bottom.

I wouldn't go so far as to say McD makes up lies but he says things in misleading ways. Like that whole Shai thing..there was likely a discussion about players they wanted during the draft but they never could have gotten Shai. Heck, they didn't know they would get Bridges until they were on the clock and Philly called...so they literally couldn't "choose" Bridges over Shai.

And then when asked about Doncic he made it sound as if he didn't get the opportunity to go watch him and had he done so he may have come to a different conclusion about the draft...where it was clear as day he wanted Ayton. I can't imagine Sarver and Jones saying "No, you can't come with us to watch Luka".

Just little things where he kind of twists the truth and is insincere, like with Watson now.

[lilfishi22]

In fact, just thinking that we at one time had Sarver as owner, McD as GM, and Watson as coach...DAMN how embarrassing.

It's one thing to be bitter about a bad exit from a job, it's another to make up lies and put it out there publicly. McD maybe he could do it. I don't see Watson being that kinda guy.

Also yes the Sarver>McD>Watson era was really rock bottom.

I wouldn't go so far as to say McD makes up lies but he says things in misleading ways. Like that whole Shai thing..there was likely a discussion about players they wanted during the draft but they never could have gotten Shai. Heck, they didn't know they would get Bridges until they were on the clock and Philly called...so they literally couldn't "choose" Bridges over Shai.

And then when asked about Doncic he made it sound as if he didn't get the opportunity to go watch him and had he done so he may have come to a different conclusion about the draft...where it was clear as day he wanted Ayton. I can't imagine Sarver and Jones saying "No, you can't come with us to watch Luka".

Just little things where he kind of twists the truth and is insincere, like with Watson now.

Throw out those two accounts who have clear biases against Sarver and you're still left with 70ish other interviewees with negative things to say about the Suns org or Sarver.

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Before getting hired here, Earl Watson was seen as a great guy with good character and well respected in locker rooms during his playing career and such.

Basically same reputation as James Jones when he came here.

[bwgood77]

It's one thing to be bitter about a bad exit from a job, it's another to make up lies and put it out there publicly. McD maybe he could do it. I don't see Watson being that kinda guy.

Also yes the Sarver>McD>Watson era was really rock bottom.

I wouldn't go so far as to say McD makes up lies but he says things in misleading ways. Like that whole Shai thing..there was likely a discussion about players they wanted during the draft but they never could have gotten Shai. Heck, they didn't know they would get Bridges until they were on the clock and Philly called...so they literally couldn't "choose" Bridges over Shai.

And then when asked about Doncic he made it sound as if he didn't get the opportunity to go watch him and had he done so he may have come to a different conclusion about the draft...where it was clear as day he wanted Ayton. I can't imagine Sarver and Jones saying "No, you can't come with us to watch Luka".

Just little things where he kind of twists the truth and is insincere, like with Watson now.

Throw out those two accounts who have clear biases against Sarver and you're still left with 70ish other interviewees with negative things to say about the Suns org or Sarver.

That 70 number is being taken out of context. They interviewed 70 people. There were many backing Sarver and many no comments. I am pretty sure everyone that had negative stuff to say is in the article.

[bwgood77]

Before getting hired here, Earl Watson was seen as a great guy with good character and well respected in locker rooms during his playing career and such.

Basically same reputation as James Jones when he came here.

Except he certainly wasn't fit to be a head coach. He was lost. He was doing yoga telling players "I love you".

[Revived]

Before getting hired here, Earl Watson was seen as a great guy with good character and well respected in locker rooms during his playing career and such.

Basically same reputation as James Jones when he came here.

Except he certainly wasn't fit to be a head coach. He was lost. He was doing yoga telling players "I love you".

Agreed that he wasn’t fit to be a HC but his prior reputation from playing 14 years of playing in the NBA and being assistant coach on the Spurs doesn’t sound like a guy that “engages in unprofessional behavior” and uses “extremely offensive language” which is what he’s being accused of.

[bwgood77]

Before getting hired here, Earl Watson was seen as a great guy with good character and well respected in locker rooms during his playing career and such.

Basically same reputation as James Jones when he came here.

Except he certainly wasn't fit to be a head coach. He was lost. He was doing yoga telling players "I love you".

Agreed that he wasn’t fit to be a HC but his prior reputation from playing 12 years of playing in the NBA and being assistant coach on the Blazers doesn’t sound like a guy that “engage in unprofessional behavior” and uses “extremely offensive language” which is what he’s being accused of.

Yeah, I have no idea about that.

Ultimately I don't have a huge opinion on all this because it's all conjecture and he said/she said stuff with no real concrete evidence and I never believe everything I read or watch on tv. Now if there is concrete evidence it's different.

I'm just surprised if this is a big deal we NEVER heard anything before, and we've heard plenty of things like firing that arena employee, goat poop, etc.

[lilfishi22]

Before getting hired here, Earl Watson was seen as a great guy with good character and well respected in locker rooms during his playing career and such.

Basically same reputation as James Jones when he came here.

Except he certainly wasn't fit to be a head coach. He was lost. He was doing yoga telling players "I love you".

He was a terrible hire and not head coach material but he was universally seen as a great players coach with a good character and I believe it was the locker room who pushed to have him hired as HC. For him to disparage Sarver the way he did, I just don't see him making it up or use insincere language to make Sarver look bad.

[lilfishi22]

Except he certainly wasn't fit to be a head coach. He was lost. He was doing yoga telling players "I love you".

Agreed that he wasn’t fit to be a HC but his prior reputation from playing 12 years of playing in the NBA and being assistant coach on the Blazers doesn’t sound like a guy that “engage in unprofessional behavior” and uses “extremely offensive language” which is what he’s being accused of.

Yeah, I have no idea about that.

Ultimately I don't have a huge opinion on all this because it's all conjecture and he said/she said stuff with no real concrete evidence and I never believe everything I read or watch on tv. Now if there is concrete evidence it's different.

I'm just surprised if this is a big deal we NEVER heard anything before, and we've heard plenty of things like firing that arena employee, goat poop, etc.

The fact that none of us are surprised that these allegations are even a plausible is what is the most telling. Sarver has had a poor reputation around the league since he became an owner. Bad enough that some part owners thought he was bad enough for the team they had legal advice on whether it was possible to oust him. We know how he's treated players in the past, we know how he's treated coaching staff and we know how he's treated front office staff. For these allegations (so far just allegations) to come out is as one of the interviewees have commented, unsurprising.

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Duane Rankin (@DuaneRankin) Tweeted:
Chris Paul talked about staying focused and locked in amid Robert Sarver situation and Devin Booker said Monty Williams is "perfect person" to help #Suns navigate through this. https://t.co/jCaZlWwxoj

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Duane Rankin (@DuaneRankin) Tweeted:
"I wasn't aware of the situation and in my 7 years that I've been here, I haven't noticed that but that doesn't make me insensitive to the subject." Devin Booker on alleged argument between Earl Watson and Robert Sarver and Sarver using N-Word in relation to Draymond Green. #Suns https://t.co/LM8f9kERE6

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[Ghost of Kleine]

Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) Tweeted:
Reporting for SVP on what awaits Suns owner Robert Sarver with looming NBA probe https://t.co/sZ6ltEfxzt

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[Slim Charless]

Except he certainly wasn't fit to be a head coach. He was lost. He was doing yoga telling players "I love you".

Agreed that he wasn’t fit to be a HC but his prior reputation from playing 12 years of playing in the NBA and being assistant coach on the Blazers doesn’t sound like a guy that “engage in unprofessional behavior” and uses “extremely offensive language” which is what he’s being accused of.

Yeah, I have no idea about that.

Ultimately I don't have a huge opinion on all this because it's all conjecture and he said/she said stuff with no real concrete evidence and I never believe everything I read or watch on tv. Now if there is concrete evidence it's different.

I'm just surprised if this is a big deal we NEVER heard anything before, and we've heard plenty of things like firing that arena employee, goat poop, etc.

SO it seems like you're not believing this then? I know you're no Sarver lover so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt there but what part of this seems wrong to you:

Person A is known to be a crappy individual by generally ALL who have watched him in action.
Person A is accused of doing something very crappy to his workers.
Person A says he didn't do any of those crappy things-even though we have years of evidence of him doing other crappy things.

Correct me if I got any of that wrong.



We're good? OK tell me why we should believe person A especially since on the opposing side we have a number of people saying otherwise.

TIA

[timetoshinebaby]

It doesnt matter what really happened. Sarver is gone, one way or another. In today's society, the allegation kills you.

He is probably a knob but so are probably most owners. Not holding my breath on some great replacement.

[Saberestar]

I don't know what truly has happened, like everyone around here, but the proofs and allegations are not strong enough to force him to sale IMO.

We will see. Hopefully this is not a distraction for the players and coaches, we are playing really well lately.

[bigfoot]

Agreed that he wasn’t fit to be a HC but his prior reputation from playing 12 years of playing in the NBA and being assistant coach on the Blazers doesn’t sound like a guy that “engage in unprofessional behavior” and uses “extremely offensive language” which is what he’s being accused of.

Yeah, I have no idea about that.

Ultimately I don't have a huge opinion on all this because it's all conjecture and he said/she said stuff with no real concrete evidence and I never believe everything I read or watch on tv. Now if there is concrete evidence it's different.

I'm just surprised if this is a big deal we NEVER heard anything before, and we've heard plenty of things like firing that arena employee, goat poop, etc.

SO it seems like you're not believing this then? I know you're no Sarver lover so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt there but what part of this seems wrong to you:

Person A is known to be a crappy individual by generally ALL who have watched him in action.
Person A is accused of doing something very crappy to his workers.
Person A says he didn't do any of those crappy things-even though we have years of evidence of him doing other crappy things.

Correct me if I got any of that wrong.



We're good? OK tell me why we should believe person A especially since on the opposing side we have a number of people saying otherwise.

TIA

Replace Person A with the name "Donald Trump". Somehow half of the US doesn't mind.

[MrMiyagi]

Agreed that he wasn’t fit to be a HC but his prior reputation from playing 12 years of playing in the NBA and being assistant coach on the Blazers doesn’t sound like a guy that “engage in unprofessional behavior” and uses “extremely offensive language” which is what he’s being accused of.

Yeah, I have no idea about that.

Ultimately I don't have a huge opinion on all this because it's all conjecture and he said/she said stuff with no real concrete evidence and I never believe everything I read or watch on tv. Now if there is concrete evidence it's different.

I'm just surprised if this is a big deal we NEVER heard anything before, and we've heard plenty of things like firing that arena employee, goat poop, etc.

SO it seems like you're not believing this then? I know you're no Sarver lover so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt there but what part of this seems wrong to you:

Person A is known to be a crappy individual by generally ALL who have watched him in action.
Person A is accused of doing something very crappy to his workers.
Person A says he didn't do any of those crappy things-even though we have years of evidence of him doing other crappy things.

Correct me if I got any of that wrong.



We're good? OK tell me why we should believe person A especially since on the opposing side we have a number of people saying otherwise.

TIA

I think BW is taking less of a "I believe Robert Sarver" opinion, and more of a "We've heard other bad things about Sarver in the past, why haven't we heard anything related to this before now?" I mean, Donald Sterling was ousted in 2014. Earl Watson was coaching for us between 2015-2017. He knew the precedent of what happens to a racist owner, why didn't he or the other anonymous employees take more immediate action? It isn't enough for me to dismiss these claims against Sarver, but it does shed some doubt over their veracity.

For myself, the volume of these accusations, and the commonality among me definitely lead me to think Robert Sarver is an absolute ass hat of a person and is the primary cause of organizational disfunction due to his hostile behavior. I would prefer to no longer have him as the Suns Majority Owner. I think the NBA is doing the right thing by investigating.

[denial]

This is a report of disgruntled former and current employees. Nothing more.
“Bombshell”?

“Rob hurt my feelings” is all I am reading. And it sounds like a disgruntled e Watson was the big catalyst. That dude’s salty that he is garbage.

“The world has turned into a pussy whipped version of itself.” -Simon Phoenix