The One And Only Offseason Thread!

[JJ13]

Eli J. Friedman ‏@Eli_NBAOKC 5m
Per a source, Isaiah Thomas is currently meeting with the Phoenix Suns.

...probably bull, but guy does some media for Thunder (supposedly)

[Frank Lee]

Dude, the season starts in 4 months.

True, but latest insider reports say we're standing pat in the FA market, and not particularly active in the trade market either. The logical conclusion is that we will fill remaining roster spots with whatever we find lying around after the marquee (and not quite marquee) names are off the board.

Here's the way i see it. On the FA market their isnt a player out there that puts us into a contending position. Monroe/Gasol/Deng? None of those guys take us from 48 wins to 58 or more wins and seriously contending with the likes of SA/OKC/CLIPS ect.

It seems like most of us want to see moves make just for th
e sake of moves to be made. We have all this cap space so we feel like it should be spent.

I said it last night and i'll say it again. The cap space we use this offseason will eat into what is available next offseason, SEVERELY hampering our ability to resign Markieff/Dragic, especially if we start handing out near max deals like candy.

Put it this way. Lets say we add Deng and Monroe. Sure they make us better this year. But next year is where their contracts hurt us. If we resign Tucker to $5mil per (currently looks like market value), max or near max Bledsoe, and hand out $20+mil in FA contacts, we'll be up to $60mil next offseason NOT including the cap holds of Markieff/Marcus/Dragic.

I am an advocate for this kind of devilish logic.

It's very similar to last year. A few of us, and we know who we are, maintained the attitude of let these guys play and let's see what we have before we condemn them to the gallows. We do nothing but replace frye and come back with essentially the same roster, who says we are not better? Len and Goodwin have sequestered themselves in the weight room and practice facility all summer long and surely will double their minutes. Plumley has one more year of experience under his belt, his first actually. Perhaps we'll have a healthy Bledsoe all year. Dragic became the dagger tossing floor general that we thought and sought. We added a couple of top notch rooks who were the leaders of their team. We are going to like TJ Buckets. Toes in the boost in the confidence of Keif and Green...

Let the dark clouds gather with envy on all the signings we don't make... I see sunny skies ahead

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Eli J. Friedman ‏@Eli_NBAOKC 5m
Per a source, Isaiah Thomas is currently meeting with the Phoenix Suns.

...probably bull, but guy does some media for Thunder (supposedly)

I know it doesn't make much sense with our roster, but from where I sit, Thomas's reported market price is one of the few I've seen that seem low. If we can get him for around $5mil per, we have a steal.

It would also make Ennis expendable. We already know he has value around the league.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

BTW - would you guys S&T Bledsoe to the Bucks for Ilyasova and an unprotected 1st? I'd give that some serious thought.

Dragic/Thomas/Ennis
Green/Goodwin
Marcus/Warren
Markieff/Ilyasova
Plumlee/Len

Suns 1st/Lakers 1st/Minny 1st/Bucks 1st

I'm a sucker for that draft!!

[iLLmatic3]

Eli J. Friedman ‏@Eli_NBAOKC 5m
Per a source, Isaiah Thomas is currently meeting with the Phoenix Suns.

...probably bull, but guy does some media for Thunder (supposedly)

What the hell do the Suns need another PG for unless we intend on trading Dragic or Bledsoe?

[iLLmatic3]

Eli J. Friedman ‏@Eli_NBAOKC 5m
Per a source, Isaiah Thomas is currently meeting with the Phoenix Suns.

...probably bull, but guy does some media for Thunder (supposedly)

I know it doesn't make much sense with our roster, but from where I sit, Thomas's reported market price is one of the few I've seen that seem low. If we can get him for around $5mil per, we have a steal.

It would also make Ennis expendable. We already know he has value around the league.

Sorry, I'm not interested in trading any of our rookies until we know what we have.

[JJ13]

Eli J. Friedman ‏@Eli_NBAOKC 5m
Per a source, Isaiah Thomas is currently meeting with the Phoenix Suns.

...probably bull, but guy does some media for Thunder (supposedly)

What the hell do the Suns need another PG for unless we intend on trading Dragic or Bledsoe?

Bledsoe for Wiggins

[Frank Lee]

BTW - would you guys S&T Bledsoe to the Bucks for Ilyasova and an unprotected 1st? I'd give that some serious thought.

Dragic/Thomas/Ennis
Green/Goodwin
Marcus/Warren
Markieff/Ilyasova
Plumlee/Len

Suns 1st/Lakers 1st/Minny 1st/Bucks 1st

I'm a sucker for that draft!!

Your coming around Coz...

[Wormwood74]

I am an advocate for this kind of devilish logic.

It's very similar to last year. A few of us, and we know who we are, maintained the attitude of let these guys play and let's see what we have before we condemn them to the gallows. We do nothing but replace frye and come back with essentially the same roster, who says we are not better? Len and Goodwin have sequestered themselves in the weight room and practice facility all summer long and surely will double their minutes. Plumley has one more year of experience under his belt, his first actually. Perhaps we'll have a healthy Bledsoe all year. Dragic became the dagger tossing floor general that we thought and sought. We added a couple of top notch rooks who were the leaders of their team. We are going to like TJ Buckets. Toes in the boost in the confidence of Keif and Green...

Let the dark clouds gather with envy on all the signings we don't make... I see sunny skies ahead

Every statistical measure I can find, which says that in terms of actual on court performance, Frye and Dragic were our two best players, and that Dragic desperately needed Frye to work his magic. In short, losing Frye hurts us WAY more than most people realize. As much as they hate his defense, the numbers say that Frye was an average to slightly above average defender.

[Qwigglez]

Didn't realize he was a free agent, he could have been the savior this team needs...
[tweet]https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/487328337111838720[/tweet]








Just kidding.

[iLLmatic3]

I am an advocate for this kind of devilish logic.

It's very similar to last year. A few of us, and we know who we are, maintained the attitude of let these guys play and let's see what we have before we condemn them to the gallows. We do nothing but replace frye and come back with essentially the same roster, who says we are not better? Len and Goodwin have sequestered themselves in the weight room and practice facility all summer long and surely will double their minutes. Plumley has one more year of experience under his belt, his first actually. Perhaps we'll have a healthy Bledsoe all year. Dragic became the dagger tossing floor general that we thought and sought. We added a couple of top notch rooks who were the leaders of their team. We are going to like TJ Buckets. Toes in the boost in the confidence of Keif and Green...

Let the dark clouds gather with envy on all the signings we don't make... I see sunny skies ahead

Every statistical measure I can find, which says that in terms of actual on court performance, Frye and Dragic were our two best players, and that Dragic desperately needed Frye to work his magic. In short, losing Frye hurts us WAY more than most people realize. As much as they hate his defense, the numbers say that Frye was an average to slightly above average defender.

We're still rebuilding so I think patience is required here. I'm glad we were successful last year but it has given fans this false sense that we need to win now. Paying a 30 year old power forward who has an enlarged heart 8 million dollars per year for 4 years impedes our efforts of keeping cap flexibility. So far it hasn't been a sexy off season but we need to stay the course by retaining our talent and making savvy trades as they become available.

[ShawnBronald]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/487330180239601664[/tweet]

So Cleveland has no clue what's going on (again) and LeBron hasn't informed Riley or the Heat what his plans are.

I think it's quite clear now........... he's headed to the Phoenix!

[Saberestar]

Eli J. Friedman ‏@Eli_NBAOKC 5m
Per a source, Isaiah Thomas is currently meeting with the Phoenix Suns.

...probably bull, but guy does some media for Thunder (supposedly)

I know it doesn't make much sense with our roster, but from where I sit, Thomas's reported market price is one of the few I've seen that seem low. If we can get him for around $5mil per, we have a steal.

It would also make Ennis expendable. We already know he has value around the league.

Ufffff...I really do not like Isaiah Thomas. Not very efficient, too much playground, and defensively he always is in trouble with his height. He is like Nate Robinson, good player for 15 minutes on a serious team at best.

[spanishninja]

I am an advocate for this kind of devilish logic.

It's very similar to last year. A few of us, and we know who we are, maintained the attitude of let these guys play and let's see what we have before we condemn them to the gallows. We do nothing but replace frye and come back with essentially the same roster, who says we are not better? Len and Goodwin have sequestered themselves in the weight room and practice facility all summer long and surely will double their minutes. Plumley has one more year of experience under his belt, his first actually. Perhaps we'll have a healthy Bledsoe all year. Dragic became the dagger tossing floor general that we thought and sought. We added a couple of top notch rooks who were the leaders of their team. We are going to like TJ Buckets. Toes in the boost in the confidence of Keif and Green...

Let the dark clouds gather with envy on all the signings we don't make... I see sunny skies ahead

Every statistical measure I can find, which says that in terms of actual on court performance, Frye and Dragic were our two best players, and that Dragic desperately needed Frye to work his magic. In short, losing Frye hurts us WAY more than most people realize. As much as they hate his defense, the numbers say that Frye was an average to slightly above average defender.

We're still rebuilding so I think patience is required here. I'm glad we were successful last year but it has given fans this false sense that we need to win now. Paying a 30 year old power forward who has an enlarged heart 8 million dollars per year for 4 years impedes our efforts of keeping cap flexibility. So far it hasn't been a sexy off season but we need to stay the course by retaining our talent and making savvy trades as they become available.

The thing is, you're only rebuilding until you're not. There's no rule that says you have to be in "rebuild" mode for a certain number of years before you can be good again. We have a chance to shorten the rebuild, at least in incremental amounts, I don't understand why we wouldn't go for it.

We all have to ask ourselves this question: what do we want this team to look like in 4 years and what is the organization doing to bring it closer to that vision?

[JTrain]

Since it doesn't appear we are signing anyone big this offseason, can we sign Tucker to a three-year deal with something like:

2014: $10M
2015: $3M
2016: $3M

This would free us up to make big moves next year. Is it legal?

[grumpysaddle]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/487330180239601664[/tweet]

So Cleveland has no clue what's going on (again) and LeBron hasn't informed Riley or the Heat what his plans are.

I think it's quite clear now........... he's headed to the Phoenix!

He went with the "high road" this time, apparently... No "The Decision" nonsense. This time around it's just being a diva and messing up FA for everyone else with his "The Indecision". I hope he stays in the East and makes it to the Finals every single season until he retires, and gets completely ANNIHILATED like the Spurs did to him this year. I'm tired of reading about James. I kind of wish he'd go play in Europe.

[grumpysaddle]

Every statistical measure I can find, which says that in terms of actual on court performance, Frye and Dragic were our two best players, and that Dragic desperately needed Frye to work his magic. In short, losing Frye hurts us WAY more than most people realize. As much as they hate his defense, the numbers say that Frye was an average to slightly above average defender.

We're still rebuilding so I think patience is required here. I'm glad we were successful last year but it has given fans this false sense that we need to win now. Paying a 30 year old power forward who has an enlarged heart 8 million dollars per year for 4 years impedes our efforts of keeping cap flexibility. So far it hasn't been a sexy off season but we need to stay the course by retaining our talent and making savvy trades as they become available.

The thing is, you're only rebuilding until you're not. There's no rule that says you have to be in "rebuild" mode for a certain number of years before you can be good again. We have a chance to shorten the rebuild, at least in incremental amounts, I don't understand why we wouldn't go for it.

We all have to ask ourselves this question: what do we want this team to look like in 4 years and what is the organization doing to bring it closer to that vision?

You keep the young guys and let them do what they can to develop. You grab another great FA to play with Dragic/Bledsoe when one that fits is available without having to dismantle the team. Then you keep that entire team together for cohesiveness. I'm tired of the Suns getting rid of players to get rid of them. The chemistry was great this past season, and it was most of the teams first time together. What would that same team's chemistry look like in 4 years? The only move I see that needs to definitely happen, besides retaining everyone from last season (except Ish) is to replace Frye's role. Keep loyal to the team that was so surprising last year, and maybe they'll keep loyal to the Suns and play for steep discounts, sort of like the Spurs have with Parker/Duncan/Ginobili. I like everyone on the Suns roster at this point in time, and love being able to cheer for them, since I really like how they come across as people outside of basketball.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Since it doesn't appear we are signing anyone big this offseason, can we sign Tucker to a three-year deal with something like:

2014: $10M
2015: $3M
2016: $3M

This would free us up to make big moves next year. Is it legal?

I don't think that's legal I think they put limits on the percentage a contract can go up or down.

I actually think they should change that in the next cba along with making it more advantageous for players to do extensions on their current deal.

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[iLLmatic3]

Every statistical measure I can find, which says that in terms of actual on court performance, Frye and Dragic were our two best players, and that Dragic desperately needed Frye to work his magic. In short, losing Frye hurts us WAY more than most people realize. As much as they hate his defense, the numbers say that Frye was an average to slightly above average defender.

We're still rebuilding so I think patience is required here. I'm glad we were successful last year but it has given fans this false sense that we need to win now. Paying a 30 year old power forward who has an enlarged heart 8 million dollars per year for 4 years impedes our efforts of keeping cap flexibility. So far it hasn't been a sexy off season but we need to stay the course by retaining our talent and making savvy trades as they become available.

The thing is, you're only rebuilding until you're not. There's no rule that says you have to be in "rebuild" mode for a certain number of years before you can be good again. We have a chance to shorten the rebuild, at least in incremental amounts, I don't understand why we wouldn't go for it.

We all have to ask ourselves this question: what do we want this team to look like in 4 years and what is the organization doing to bring it closer to that vision?

The ultimate goal is sustainable success and ultimately a championship. Which players have we realistically had a chance with and missed out on this Free Agency period which address either one of those needs?

[Sreister]

Since it doesn't appear we are signing anyone big this offseason, can we sign Tucker to a three-year deal with something like:

2014: $10M
2015: $3M
2016: $3M

This would free us up to make big moves next year. Is it legal?

The only problem with that is that if we get a trade offer that we bring back a big contract, it may not work because of the random 1 year big deal. It hurts our flexibility to take on lop sided deals.