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Re: Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum 

Post#1601 » by bwgood77 » Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:16 am

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cosmofizzo wrote:There are very few superstars who add so little to this team as Carmelo. Anyone you pair him with at the other forward spot becomes redundant next to Melo. He doesn't make us any better defensively or on the boards, where we're weak. TJ could be every bit as good a scorer in two years' time. It's just not a good fit.


Yeah, no Melo. Too expensive, too much of a black hole who is a high volume shooter who is overrated. He has never won a damn thing and can't even get a team into the playoffs in the weak east. Stars get their teams into the playoffs regardless. He has past his prime and we are not going to win anything major for the next couple of years. Don't sacrifice future for trying to win now. Too shortsighted. That's all.


He led his Denver squad to the playoffs every year he was there and took them to the WCF in one year. If that doesn't count as winning, them we don't have a single player on our team that was won anything, even our golden-boy Dragic.

Also you wouldn't take him even if you only had to pay him 10 mil/year? You wouldn't pay him 10 mil a year to put up 24/6/3 on 46% shooting? Ok


Well, they only got really good once George Karl took over, and I think he is a winning coach. Melo never got them past the first round until they added Billups who knows how to win. I think Anthony is a decent player, and he'd probably be worth $10 million a year, but he is probably on the downside of his career and we are a young rebuilding team that needs to develop our players and draft picks. A trade bringing in a young star or even a very good role player would be nice, but this Melo discussion is pretty pointless since he wouldn't want to play in Phoenix anyway and he's not going to get traded.
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Re: Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum 

Post#1602 » by Kerrsed » Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:31 am

cosmofizzo wrote:Well that's the whole thing, though - where does an asset like PG, unknowns and all, make more sense? Here or Indiana? PG is a very good player, but that team is not positioned to put a good team around him. His talent and that team's lack of talent should combine for the type of mediocrity that is a death knell for teams and their players.

We're close. A lot closer than the Pacers. A lot of our key guys are in PG's age range - including Bled and the Morris twins. Dragic actually would be unlikely to be traded to the Pacers in that scenario, I would think, because he'd be more likely to sign with a contending Suns team than a rebuilding Pacers team.

If I'm the Pacers, with my utter lack of perimeter talent, I'm eyeballing TJ, Ennis, Goodwin, and even IT. The Lakers pick, too. But I think we keep at least one of those assets I just listed. I'd like to keep IT.

If PG comes back this season, wouldn't he prefer to do come back to a playoff team?


Indiana was the 4th best team in the league last season with PG. Hill/Stucky/George/West/Hibbert is a playoff team in the East. They do have players to surround him. The issue with the Pacers this season is that they are in tank mode. They lost their lone all-star. They have cut West & Hibberts minutes, thus losing even more games. They plan on PG coming back next season and surrounding him with the same team that he had that was 4th ranked in the league last season (Minus Stephenson, but plus a top 6 pick).

I do agree that Suns(+PG, -Dragic/Green/Warren) would be a better team than Pacers(+PG), and we do have the best medical staff to help him with his comeback, but its not up to him, its up to the Pacers. Indiana will wait till the seasons over, Draft a high pick, and then see where George is at with his recovery.

As for trade pieces, 1st and foremost on their list is Dragic. They need a good PG and bad. They are one of the few teams in the league without a good solid PG. They have already inquired about Dragic as well and really want him. IT is good, but they will want Dragic over IT 10 out of 10 times. As i posted before, it would start at DragicX2/Green/Warren/LAL 1st/PHX 1st. They would then be headed for a full rebuild and would look to trade off West/Hibbert for young talent and draft picks. Most of the team is all expiring, so they would be building a fresh team from our players and whatever they could get from West/Hibbert in trade. Maybe they go after Monroe in the offseason too, as they would have PLENTY of capspace.

Dragic/IT/Hill
?????/Miles/Dragic
?????/Warren/Hill
Monroe/??????/?????
Hibbert/Mahinmi/????
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Re: Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum 

Post#1603 » by JMac1 » Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:38 am

Kerrsed wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:Well that's the whole thing, though - where does an asset like PG, unknowns and all, make more sense? Here or Indiana? PG is a very good player, but that team is not positioned to put a good team around him. His talent and that team's lack of talent should combine for the type of mediocrity that is a death knell for teams and their players.

We're close. A lot closer than the Pacers. A lot of our key guys are in PG's age range - including Bled and the Morris twins. Dragic actually would be unlikely to be traded to the Pacers in that scenario, I would think, because he'd be more likely to sign with a contending Suns team than a rebuilding Pacers team.

If I'm the Pacers, with my utter lack of perimeter talent, I'm eyeballing TJ, Ennis, Goodwin, and even IT. The Lakers pick, too. But I think we keep at least one of those assets I just listed. I'd like to keep IT.

If PG comes back this season, wouldn't he prefer to do come back to a playoff team?


Indiana was the 4th best team in the league last season with PG. Hill/Stucky/George/West/Hibbert is a playoff team in the East. They do have players to surround him. The issue with the Pacers this season is that they are in tank mode. They lost their lone all-star. They have cut West & Hibberts minutes, thus losing even more games. They plan on PG coming back next season and surrounding him with the same team that he had that was 4th ranked in the league last season (Minus Stephenson, but plus a top 6 pick).

I do agree that Suns(+PG, -Dragic/Green/Warren) would be a better team than Pacers(+PG), and we do have the best medical staff to help him with his comeback, but its not up to him, its up to the Pacers. Indiana will wait till the seasons over, Draft a high pick, and then see where George is at with his recovery.

As for trade pieces, 1st and foremost on their list is Dragic. They need a good PG and bad. They are one of the few teams in the league without a good solid PG. They have already inquired about Dragic as well and really want him. IT is good, but they will want Dragic over IT 10 out of 10 times. As i posted before, it would start at DragicX2/Green/Warren/LAL 1st/PHX 1st. They would then be headed for a full rebuild and would look to trade off West/Hibbert for young talent and draft picks. Most of the team is all expiring, so they would be building a fresh team from our players and whatever they could get from West/Hibbert in trade. Maybe they go after Monroe in the offseason too, as they would have PLENTY of capspace.

Dragic/IT/Hill
?????/Miles/Dragic
?????/Warren/Hill
Monroe/??????/?????
Hibbert/Mahinmi/????


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Hibbert over Len :banghead:
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Re: Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum 

Post#1604 » by Kerrsed » Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:41 am

JMac1 wrote:Kerrsed, sometimes man.................. :noway:

Hibbert over Len :banghead:


Hey, im still a fan of getting Hibbert, but re-read my post. I have nothing in there of obtaining Hibbert. The team at the bottom was what Indiana would be rebuilding around.

Next season we would be:

Bledsoe/Ennis
Tucker/Goodwin
George/Morris
Morris/??????
Len/Plumlee
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Re: Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum 

Post#1605 » by Qwigglez » Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:44 am

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Kerrsed, sometimes man.................. :noway:

Hibbert over Len :banghead:



:lol: I think he was saying that would be the Pacers lineup... if they traded PG for Dragic.
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Re: Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum 

Post#1606 » by DRK » Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:52 am

Lol... So trading for DeMarcus Cousins is "ridiculously stupid and unrealistic," but trading for Paul George isnt?

Okay.
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Re: Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum 

Post#1607 » by Fo-Real » Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:57 am

Both are pure fantasy. ... since this is board for that, they are entitled. I wonder along the lines of a real direction of trades our actual GM is thinking. TRAXXXXXX!! ....... Any info for us?
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Re: Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum 

Post#1608 » by Qwigglez » Sun Dec 28, 2014 6:00 am

DRK wrote:Lol... So trading for DeMarcus Cousins is "ridiculously stupid and unrealistic," but trading for Paul George isnt?

Okay.



Well its completely different. D-Mark plays in the same division as us, PG suffered a huge injury and plays in a different conference.
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Re: Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum 

Post#1609 » by Kerrsed » Sun Dec 28, 2014 6:00 am

DRK wrote:Lol... So trading for DeMarcus Cousins is "ridiculously stupid and unrealistic," but trading for Paul George isnt?

Okay.


I personally have said that both are unrealistic, but due to PG's injury, i think he would be more attainable than Cousins. But with that being said, check my posts, just like Cousins, i have said multiple times that i dont think the Pacers would trade George.
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Re: Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum 

Post#1610 » by MrMiyagi » Sun Dec 28, 2014 6:22 am

Lebron is only slightly less attainable then those guys, why not go for him?
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Re: Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum 

Post#1611 » by LukasBMW » Sun Dec 28, 2014 6:30 am

Trade 1:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n9vw6ej

Trade 2:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q7shdhq

Trade 3:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l3zbhma


We go from having a 3 PG lineup to a 5 Center lineup:

PG: Len
SG: Plumlee
SF: Drummond
PF: Hibbert
C: Cousins

Boom! Rebounds and a 2-3 zone defense! Ain't nobody gonna score on us in the paint!
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Re: Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum 

Post#1612 » by Flying Colors » Sun Dec 28, 2014 6:36 am

MrMiyagi wrote:Lebron is only slightly less attainable then those guys, why not go for him?

Green and the Minnie first sounds fair to me
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Re: Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum 

Post#1613 » by Fo-Real » Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:25 am

Yep.... and Archie for Jimmy Butler and a first from DA BULLS..... seems fair to me....throw in Tony Mitchell and we can take Noah also..... I LOVE IT WHEN A PLAN COMES TOGETHER!!!! I SPIT ON YOUR TWO DRINK MINIMUM!!!!! A YETI JUST TRIED TO STEAL MY WHEAT THINS!!! MUTHA $#!@ER........COME BACK HERE!!!!!!
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Re: Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum 

Post#1614 » by DirtyDez » Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:37 am

I think PG would be attainable if we were to put together a nice rebuilding package for them. Possibly both first round picks and some young talent like Ennis/Warren. Trading Dragic for him kinda ruins the whole point...
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Re: Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum 

Post#1615 » by MrMiyagi » Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:52 am

Why are the Pacers rebuilding? And why wouldn't Paul George be a part of that plan?
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Re: Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum 

Post#1616 » by Kerrsed » Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:02 am

Celtics get: Isiah Thomas/Ben Gordon
Magic get: Jeff Green/ Brandon Wright / Wolves draft pick (most likely 2 future 2nds) or Our 1st.
Suns get: Tobias Harris

Celtics: Ainge finally gets his hands on Thomas, who can start at PG and immediately help Boston, allowing Smart to ease into the NBA. Gordon is cap filler and has a team option for next season.

Magic: Orlando picks up Green to replace Harris and get a huge upgrade at PF/Backup C spot. Orlando really doesnt have a back-up C and have been using 6'9 PF Andrew Nicholson to fill in, so Wright would really help out when Vucevic needs a break. Magic also get a draft pick (or 2) to help add to their young core.

Suns: We get a big upgrade at SF. He will be looking at a new contract next season (might be a bit spendy), but we would have his bird rights and could match any offer. We give up either our pick or Minny's pick, which is fine as Harris is already developed and helps us right away, not to mention we still have the Lakers pick.

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Re: Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum 

Post#1617 » by DirtyDez » Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:15 am

MrMiyagi wrote:Why are the Pacers rebuilding? And why wouldn't Paul George be a part of that plan?


They're not rebuilding atm but they should be. A mediocre team in the East with a maxed out payroll. Ew.

Blow it up.
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Re: Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum 

Post#1618 » by sunskerr » Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:24 am

Harris would be a great fit here. Im certain the Magic would also ask for TJ Warren in that trade scenario.
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Re: Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum 

Post#1619 » by Kerrsed » Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:43 am

sunskerr wrote:Harris would be a great fit here. Im certain the Magic would also ask for TJ Warren in that trade scenario.


Honestly, i would give them the option of our draft pick OR Warren.

With Harris, Warren get little to no minutes to develop. He becomes a wasted space as long as we have Harris/Tucker/Morris. Orlando does have Harkless, who they were originally developing before the Harris trade went down. In that trade they would also be getting Jeff Green, so once again Warren would be sunk on the depth chart.

I think if they had the option of Warren or our draft pick, they take the draft pick.
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Re: Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum 

Post#1620 » by sunskerr » Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:51 am

They would ask for both of those, Warren and the pick no doubt. And I'm sure the Suns FO would have no problem accepting those terms. Harris is a really good player. I just can't see them (the Magic) giving up Harris (a known commodity) for two unknowns - and I say that acknowledging that TJ Warren has shown some signs. Harris is their second best player and is 22 years old. He's in the same vein as Hayward/Parsons and those guys didn't come cheap. He's certainly more realistic than Cousins/George etc but it's still pretty far out.

I say this and I really really like Harris as a player.

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