The 2016 Offseason Thread

Jdiddy701 · Post #1601 » by **Jdiddy701** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:01 am

The suns video they released was GREAT to watch.

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AtheJ415 · Post #1602 » by **AtheJ415** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:13 am

RunDogGun wrote:
OGBAH wrote:http://www.inquisitr.com/3518992/nba-trade-rumors-cousins-suns-bledsoe-bender-warren-kings/

I'm not sure if that would be the trade, since Bledsoe and DeMarcus are friends.

Yeah. I don't see why either team would do that. Bledsoe is too old to rebuild around. If you're moving Demarcus, why do it for Bledsoe? And if you're Phoenix, why move Bledsoe when you'd be doing it to pair the 2?

I think Phoenix would have a good shot at Cousins in FA if he makes it there. Having half the Kentucky team plus Bledsoe and Booker would be a big draw for him.

NTB · Post #1603 » by **NTB** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:37 am

OGBAH wrote:Can we pay KG 3 mill to be our big man stretch 4 coach

We got Mehmet Okur for it.

Saberestar · Post #1604 » by **Saberestar** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:32 pm

Read on Twitter

Jarlaxle0204 · Post #1605 » by **Jarlaxle0204** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:45 pm

So ready for this season to start. Looking forward to seeing all the guys out there playing with intensity, win or lose. This season has that feel of the start of something.

Djedefre · Post #1606 » by **Djedefre** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:45 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:Don't get me wrong, Bledsoe is the better player of the two and I'm not an advocate for trading Bledsoe over Knight in most circumstances. But my view is this; in the scenario where Bledsoe could net us a flawed but undeniably high-impact all-star big, do you trade him or keep him as your star?

From there, I broke it down to whether keeping Bledsoe (who outside of Booker, is our best trade asset) is the best course of action considering his injury concerns, his age (not old but likely about to peak) and the fact that he's at best, a 3rd option on a top seed. Then I broke it down further into, if Knight likely won't net us anyone of the same talent that Bledsoe could, he doesn't have the major health concerns and the rise of a PG/SG Booker; could we keep Knight (to trade later down the road) and move Bledsoe instead.

As Djedefre mentioned, Knight is better as an elite 6th man, which I'm in total agreement with. But I think he still has value as a starter at this point in his career, especially one with a quickly developing Booker. Would it be a net positive over the current Knight/Bledsoe lineup? Probably not right now but if you add in Cousins in that equation then it becomes a totally different conversation. Then when you consider Bledsoe knees, which is my biggest concern about Bledsoe, then the argument for moving him for Cousins become a little more palatable.

I can easily understand that trade him while you can approach with Bledsoe, knowing the history of injuries, but we simply shouldn't lose our only PG capable of playing heavy minutes efficiently (Ulis has some value, but his physical limits are too big to imagine him being a full-time starter and a long term solution). Not because we need those wins so much (just numbers), but because our team has to have it's head and tail, at least contours of a system, and his position is way too important for that. You can't expect the youngsters to thrive in chaotic environment. FO recently brought mentors at every other position - Chandler at C, Dudley at PF/SF, Tucker is already there, Barbosa at SG, which appears natural when you take account of our youth. His actions during this post-season point that not only he got similar role but also bigger, more demanding - to actually lead the team.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #1607 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:47 pm

Hey guys, Jazz fan (obviously) and just have some questions for y'all. But first, I think you guys have an exciting future. I'm a big fan of your young guys and coaching staff. Happy to see Memo and Earl are getting their chance to make something happen in the league. They're some of the best guys that have ever come into the league. Class acts.

My question are: Where do you see Brandon Knight fitting in with this team? Is he a part of the future? Would y'all look to move him? If so, for what cost?

Saberestar · Post #1608 » by **Saberestar** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:21 pm

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:My question are: Where do you see Brandon Knight fitting in with this team? Is he a part of the future? Would y'all look to move him? If so, for what cost?

Sixth man playing a similar role as Jet Terry, Lou Williams or Jamal Crawford.

Probably we will trade him if he wants to play starting minutes or if he is a bad fit next to our young core. But I think he will be OK in that role.

I do not know his value around the league...it is a tough one.

NTB · Post #1609 » by **NTB** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:21 pm

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/driveanddishpodcast/2016/09/22/phoenix-suns-2016-2017-season-preview-with-dave-king

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1610 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:49 pm

Saberestar wrote:
UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:My question are: Where do you see Brandon Knight fitting in with this team? Is he a part of the future? Would y'all look to move him? If so, for what cost?

Sixth man playing a similar role as Jet Terry, Lou Williams or Jamal Crawford.

Probably we will trade him if he wants to play starting minutes or if he is a bad fit next to our young core. But I think he will be OK in that role.

I do not know his value around the league...this is tough one.

I think it's safe to assume that he won't be moved this season. My best guess is that one of Bled or Knight gets pushed out the door next offseason as a result of the development of Booker and Ulis. Personally, I think he will thrive off the bench and increase his value this season - but frankly, given our lack of need as far as young talent is concerned, I doubt we'll feel any pressure to move him.

The trade board seems to think we'll giftwrap him for an expiring. :roll:

Post #1611 » by **ATTL** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:43 am

Markief got a lotto pick and we get trash for Knight?

phx#7 · Post #1612 » by **phx#7** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:17 am

NTB wrote:http://www.blogtalkradio.com/driveanddishpodcast/2016/09/22/phoenix-suns-2016-2017-season-preview-with-dave-king

Wait. There are places in this country where you can't get a breakfast burrito?

Andrew McCeltic · Post #1613 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 11:18 am

That site's not legit. But if you wouldn't trade Bledsoe, Warren and Bender for Cousins, that's a head-scratcher. You're talking a point guard with a serious injury history, Bender's years away. Cousins has all-NBA talent. You put Knight and Booker in the backcourt, Cousins at the 4 or 5, you have Chandler, Len and Christ to look at trading for upgrades at the 3 and 4... That's a better team. If the Kings were stupid enough to trade Cousins for Bledsoe, you have to do it.

bigfoot · Post #1614 » by **bigfoot** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:46 pm

Saberestar wrote:

Read on Twitter

Love that video ... Now we'll see if the players buy into it and believe it.

Zelaznyrules · Post #1615 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:37 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:That site's not legit. But if you wouldn't trade Bledsoe, Warren and Bender for Cousins, that's a head-scratcher. You're talking a point guard with a serious injury history, Bender's years away. Cousins has all-NBA talent. You put Knight and Booker in the backcourt, Cousins at the 4 or 5, you have Chandler, Len and Christ to look at trading for upgrades at the 3 and 4... That's a better team. If the Kings were stupid enough to trade Cousins for Bledsoe, you have to do it.

That's where it falls apart for me. The game has changed and because of that I'm not sure that Cousins has the kind of talent that can carry a team. And his propensity to dominate the ball reduces the effectiveness of others. I guess if we got rid of Bledsoe and Knight (neither is the right kind of guard for DeMarcus) we could build around Cousins, Booker and Ulis. That actually might work but with such a young head coach and such young talent around him, I'd have serious concerns about it.

Post #1616 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:07 pm

Zelaznyrules wrote:
Andrew McCeltic wrote:That site's not legit. But if you wouldn't trade Bledsoe, Warren and Bender for Cousins, that's a head-scratcher. You're talking a point guard with a serious injury history, Bender's years away. Cousins has all-NBA talent. You put Knight and Booker in the backcourt, Cousins at the 4 or 5, you have Chandler, Len and Christ to look at trading for upgrades at the 3 and 4... That's a better team. If the Kings were stupid enough to trade Cousins for Bledsoe, you have to do it.

That's where it falls apart for me. The game has changed and because of that I'm not sure that Cousins has the kind of talent that can carry a team. And his propensity to dominate the ball reduces the effectiveness of others. I guess if we got rid of Bledsoe and Knight (neither is the right kind of guard for DeMarcus) we could build around Cousins, Booker and Ulis. That actually might work but with such a young head coach and such young talent around him, I'd have serious concerns about it.

Plus are we winning it all within the next two years with Cousins? Is it worth giving up Bender and Warren and the future they can help build to try and win now when Cousins could leave in a couple of summers? Haven't we had enough headache players lately? Bledsoe is also our team leader now. Who could actually be a lead PG after this trade? Knight? I think anyone who has watched him extensively probably knows he is not a true PG and certainly not one you would want to rely on to try and lead you to wins in the playoffs.

I see fans in all team forums fantasizing about trading for Cousins, and it appears some fans of all teams think they have a good chance of getting him.

I think Cousins is a very dominant and intriguing player, but I finally feel good about where our team is at for about the first time in six years. The last thing I want to do is make a major trade giving away key pieces on a soon to be (within a couple of years) free agent who isn't going to bring you a title that time frame, particularly one that always seems to have issues surrounding him or a potential attitude problem.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #1617 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:55 pm

Thanks for the responses.

What kind of value would you look for in return with Knight?

Would you be interested in someone like Rudy Gay? Non-expiring talent? Picks? Young talent?

Post #1618 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:38 pm

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:Thanks for the responses.

What kind of value would you look for in return with Knight?

Would you be interested in someone like Rudy Gay? Non-expiring talent? Picks? Young talent?

Young talent, picks or maybe a PF. Trey Lyles and filler?

Are you thinking for the Jazz or just in general? I think you guys are set pretty well with George Hill and Dante Exum. And then Knight is kind of like Burks. Though with Diaw, Favors and Gobert, I don't know how much Lyles will play, though I'm sure you'd rather keep him. I know I would.

Zelaznyrules · Post #1619 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:50 pm

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:Thanks for the responses.

What kind of value would you look for in return with Knight?

Would you be interested in someone like Rudy Gay? Non-expiring talent? Picks? Young talent?

I really wouldn't want to trade Knight at this time. He's had such a poor showing since he landed in Phoenix that I can't believe he'd bring much back in return. I think it makes far more sense to get him healthy and put him on display for awhile so he can bring a reasonable return. However, if someone were to offer a deal similar to what he cost us (an unprotected pick from a really bad team), there's a good chance we'd jump at the deal. But I doubt anyone's willing to give up that much for him right now.

LukasBMW · Post #1620 » by **LukasBMW** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:59 pm

I think most Suns fans have 0 interest in Rudy Gay. I honestly wouldn't take him if he was free as he has never won and is a ball dominant player that would hinder the development of our youngsters.

Trading a package revolving around Bledsoe for Cousins would be counter productive as Bledsoe and Cousins are tight and I think we'd need Bledsoe to help keep Cousins in line.

Regarding trading Bledsoe or Knight, if by midseason we aren't at least .500 and in the playoff mix, I'd be open to trading BOTH as I have my doubts about each of them. I'm still not sure Knight is any good (seriously), and as mentioned above, Bledsoe has major injury problems and may never be able to stay healthy. Neither guard is a distributor and that sucks. If we do trade one or both, we'd be looking for likely lottery picks and/or young talent to build around our likely all star (Booker) and high ceiling young guys (Chriss, Bender, TJ, Ulis, Len).