2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[Fo-Real]

What if the Kyrie stuff is just a distraction to sabotage the FVV, Kyle Lowry, Scary Terry, trade hopeful teams?!?! He has certainly made all the other rumors stop.

[Fo-Real]

maybe its petty but if no trade is found for Crowder, we also should not buy him out. Let him rot and sign a vet to take his spot on the bench.

[BobbieL]

What if the Kyrie stuff is just a distraction to sabotage the FVV, Kyle Lowry, Scary Terry, trade hopeful teams?!?! He has certainly made all the other rumors stop.

Well the lakers can have Lowry - he is not good this year
Scary Terry and like Hayward plus picks for RW - interesting

I just don't want Irving on the team - Paul is coming around, the team is coming around. I guess if Paul were okay with the trade - maybe - but can't give up Cam or Mikal - not worth it to me

The best I can do for Irving is Paul, Crowder and maybe a protected FRP. But again, Irving is a FA to be

If CP3 wants Durant - maybe the Suns can somehow get FVV from Toronto

[BobbieL]

I'm a bit skeptical of Payne durability at this point. While he was good for us while he started during November to early December, he has missed 26 games so far, almost half the amount of games the Suns have played up until this point. Last year he missed 24 games, so he has already surpassed that.

Also I think it's worth noting that the Suns have been more proactive about finding a PG that can take over post-Paul. I am unsure if Payne is guaranteed to stay with the Suns past the trade deadline, though I don't think he's on any team's priority list of players they'd like to acquire. I do think his salary is welcoming to other teams so there is that appeal at the very least. I do prefer to keep Payne because he is a very capable backup PG and can make for a reliable enough starting PG.

I have very little faith in Payne these days - health wise, and play on court. Same with Shamet
<My guess, one or both are traded this week. Payne has a small guarantee next year

Lee has done a nice job - but still want another guard back there

I am too the point - forget Kyrie. Figure out what Crowder, Payne, Shamet and if you have to add filler like Jock or Okogie - do it
what will that get you

the team is starting to play ball - would Kyrie jack with it (unless Paul says I want to play with KD)

[NapoleonII]

Payne's health has left a lot to desire, but when he's on the court without CP3 and a plug-in starter, he's been money.

"Cameron Payne has averaged 15.1 points, 7.3 assists and 3.0 rebounds in 14 games without Chris Paul this season."

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/payne-stats-without-chris-paul-this-season

6.5 mil (next year) for that? That's very, very good value and gives us a stop gap whatever happens to Paul (buy-out, decline, injury).

This team's floor and ceiling has always been Booker / Ayton / Bridges and Monty.

[BobbieL]

Payne's health has left a lot to desire, but when he's on the court without CP3 and a plug-in starter, he's been money.

"Cameron Payne has averaged 15.1 points, 7.3 assists and 3.0 rebounds in 14 games without Chris Paul this season."

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/payne-stats-without-chris-paul-this-season

6.5 mil (next year) for that? That's very, very good value and gives us a stop gap whatever happens to Paul (buy-out, decline, injury).

This team's floor and ceiling has always been Booker / Ayton / Bridges and Monty.

Going to be a lot of rumors. If Toronto is truly rebuilding - would they take RW and the two Laker picks

Lakers get Kyrie
Brooklyn gets FVV and maybe GTrJr

Like I mentioned earlier - would Paul want to play with KD
meaning could the Suns be the 4th team and get FVV - PG of the future - dumping off Crowder, Shamet and Paul. Getting Curry

interesting few days and nothing is happening until after Tuesday night

[Djedefre]

How could FVV be a PG of the future when he's 29 yo and has 2-3 years of good ball at best. Not to mention his numbers now (in his prime) are pretty underwhelming, to put it mildly.

He could be an answer for win-now, all-in kinda approach, but he's a poor long term solution at PG. No doubt about that.

[sunsfan1o1]

What’s better?
Crowder, Payne, Shamet and a lottery protected 23 FRP
Or same players and change 23 frp for ‘24 top 3 protected FRP
For KYRIE

Need that trade. Getting Kyrie gets us the chip barring any injuries.

[BobbieL]

How could FVV be a PG of the future when he's 29 yo and has 2-3 years of good ball at best. Not to mention his numbers now (in his prime) are pretty underwhelming, to put it mildly.

He could be an answer for win-now, all-in kinda approach, but he's a poor long term solution at PG. No doubt about that.

well the timeline for Booker, Ayton, Bridges, Cam J is basically the next 3-5 years... so that would fit

looking at the Mavs - so many of their picks have protections - hard to see a trade happening with the Nets for Dinwiddie

[Bogyo]

How could FVV be a PG of the future when he's 29 yo and has 2-3 years of good ball at best. Not to mention his numbers now (in his prime) are pretty underwhelming, to put it mildly.

He could be an answer for win-now, all-in kinda approach, but he's a poor long term solution at PG. No doubt about that.

This can't be repeated enough. Hence I qoute it again.

Also, he is 5'11 on his good days, and wants a big and long contract this offseason. And he can not run an offense in Toronto, where he has 3 very talented wings. Plus Masai wants him gone - that alone should be enough for anybody to cool on him. He is literally the last person who should be considered as a PG here.

[BobbieL]

What’s better?
Crowder, Payne, Shamet and a lottery protected 23 FRP
Or same players and change 23 frp for ‘24 top 3 protected FRP
For KYRIE

Need that trade. Getting Kyrie gets us the chip barring any injuries.

Lakers would be giving up both picks I believe

Suns would probably need to add Cam Johnson - not sure Crowder Payne and Shamet get it done

[WeekapaugGroove]

I highly doubt the suns actually trade for Kyrie. If they did I would question the new owners sanity, but I wouldn't question his balls . Because if you have the risk tolerance to bring in Kyrie then anything is possible moving forward. Again I think Kyrie would ultimately end up a disaster but maybe short term it could work.

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[Waylay13]

What’s better?
Crowder, Payne, Shamet and a lottery protected 23 FRP
Or same players and change 23 frp for ‘24 top 3 protected FRP
For KYRIE

Need that trade. Getting Kyrie gets us the chip barring any injuries.

Just so no to idiots. This team has had too many over the years from Sarver to the Morris twins, we dont need any more idiots.

[Jdiddy701]

Short term I’m not worried about Kyrie but long term, scares the crap outta me.

There’s zero risk to it short term when considering Chris Paul is at the end of his career and Crowder is not even with the team. I guess it’s pretty obvious to make that trade. It’s still going to be very hard to root for Kyrie if it happens.


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[WeekapaugGroove]

He's a fun guy to deal with

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[NapoleonII]

So it's looking like the Nets tried to stong-arm him into signing a contract with an unguaranteed year, tied to a championship lol.

What a stupid franchise. They should have just kicked the can down the road, find some playoff success with Durant and Irving this season, have a great chance to re-sign, and call it a season.

Now they're close to losing both their stars.

[WeekapaugGroove]

So it's looking like the Nets tried to stong-arm him into signing a contract with an unguaranteed year, tied to a championship lol.

What a stupid franchise. They should have just kicked the can down the road, find some playoff success with Durant and Irving this season, have a great chance to re-sign, and call it a season.

Now they're close to losing both their stars.

Are you saying Kyrie is some kind of victim here? The Nets offered a 4 yr deal with just the last season tied to that championship clause, they also offered him a 4 yr extension this summer with some games played clauses. Pretty god damn reasonable considering Kyrie has played in less than half their games since he's been a Net. I think even the biggest Kyrie supporters would have to admit he's not exactly the most reliable dude.

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[NapoleonII]

So it's looking like the Nets tried to stong-arm him into signing a contract with an unguaranteed year, tied to a championship lol.

What a stupid franchise. They should have just kicked the can down the road, find some playoff success with Durant and Irving this season, have a great chance to re-sign, and call it a season.

Now they're close to losing both their stars.

Are you saying Kyrie is some kind of victim here? The Nets offered a 4 yr deal with just the last season tied to that championship clause, they also offered him a 4 yr extension this summer with some games played clauses. Pretty god damn reasonable considering Kyrie has played in less than half their games since he's been a Net. I think even the biggest Kyrie supporters would have to admit he's not exactly the most reliable dude.

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lol no.

But a franchise should be aware of the market, and other teams, and how to leverage their assets, even one as damaged and deranged as Kyrie.

10 other teams ink him up for a max contract without blinking an eye, baggage and all. Lebron is no doubt moving mountains and pulling favors from who knows where to get Irving to LA. The Clippers want him and now Dallas.

That means the Nets were always the hostages in this situation. When they freaking signed him.

[BobbieL]

So it's looking like the Nets tried to stong-arm him into signing a contract with an unguaranteed year, tied to a championship lol.

What a stupid franchise. They should have just kicked the can down the road, find some playoff success with Durant and Irving this season, have a great chance to re-sign, and call it a season.

Now they're close to losing both their stars.

Are you saying Kyrie is some kind of victim here? The Nets offered a 4 yr deal with just the last season tied to that championship clause, they also offered him a 4 yr extension this summer with some games played clauses. Pretty god damn reasonable considering Kyrie has played in less than half their games since he's been a Net. I think even the biggest Kyrie supporters would have to admit he's not exactly the most reliable dude.

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I just think the more I think about - I am not sure Kyrie is the right fit for the Suns unless its like Cam J, Saric, Crowder and Shamet or Payne. Too much of a headache

Team is playing better. Get Booker back - use the Crowder trade for another player and roll with it

Lakers only want to give him a two year deal - they know he is not reliable

[TeamTragic]

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Lakers only want a two year contract? I'm sure that will make Kyrie really feel at home.

We know he will not accept anything less than four years otherwise he would stay with the Nets.