2022-23 Season Discussion and Review - the Blockbuster trade and playoff downfall

[WeekapaugGroove]

Good points. I do wonder how that would work if the team were to pick up the option. Granted, the Suns are in a tough spot. If nothing can be done, and Ishbia can afford him - he might be a good third guard off the bench.

I think there's actually a chance CP just straight up retires after the season. He's turning 38 in May, his body is obviously failing him and dudes got kids at home and I'm sure he would have plenty of assistant coach or media jobs if he wants to stay around the game.

I'm not saying it's over 50% chance he retires but I don't think it's 0% either.

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Well in that case I assume he'd say "Don't feel bad if you don't guarantee my contract. If you don't, I get it."

I'm curious on how that might work if CP retired.

I always viewed that final guaranteed portion of this deal as a deferred payment after he dropped the per year amount down from his old deal. Basically sarver was ducking the tax last season and paying it out. Then the final totally unguaranteed year was added so they could stretch that contact and it only count as $5 mil per year for 3 years instead of all $15 next year.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

ridiculous. He won a championship in grand fashion.

Yeah saying Bud or Monty is a 'bad' coach is pretty ridiculous. That's not to say teams don't need a change from time to time but both guys have been very successful coaches.

Fans love to hate their teams coach. It is what it is.

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Monty sucks. If you can’t see it good for you. Ignorance is bliss.

I don't agree with everything Monty does but to flat out say he sucks is a silly statement.

But I'll just be blunt. I don't care what you think and I don't think you've brought a single positive or nuanced opinion to this board, ever. Normally I don't see your dribble because you're on my ignore list. Sunsbum replied so I saw it. But I shouldn't have responded, that's my bad.

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[Slim Charless]

The funniest coaching outcome would be the Bucks and Suns trading Monty for Bud. Funny because the fan bases complaints are basically opposites. Bucks fans say bud doesn't play his starters enough minutes, his O is too 3 ball heavy. Well Monty is definitely not that.

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Woj just reporting Budenholzer fired

Nick Nurse going to Milwaukee in .....

Bucks just fired their coach after being the #1 seed.

I hate to say it but Monty is gone.

Chris Quinn is right answer for our next coach. Whether or not it’s realistic is a different story but the longest tenured assistant under the best coach in the league makes this an easy choice. 9 years is a crazy amount of time to learn under Spo and Riley.

Everyone on Miami is more or less as confident as Jimmy too. Even Bam has turned from a so-so defensive 5 to 1 of the best all around bigs in the league.

He's the only answer that makes sense. Hopefully he's still there when Moronty is finally removed.

[bwgood77]

I think there's actually a chance CP just straight up retires after the season. He's turning 38 in May, his body is obviously failing him and dudes got kids at home and I'm sure he would have plenty of assistant coach or media jobs if he wants to stay around the game.

I'm not saying it's over 50% chance he retires but I don't think it's 0% either.

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Well in that case I assume he'd say "Don't feel bad if you don't guarantee my contract. If you don't, I get it."

I'm curious on how that might work if CP retired.

I always viewed that final guaranteed portion of this deal as a deferred payment after he dropped the per year amount down from his old deal. Basically sarver was ducking the tax last season and paying it out. Then the final totally unguaranteed year was added so they could stretch that contact and it only count as $5 mil per year for 3 years instead of all $15 next year.

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If we stretch $15 we can probably get under the tax next year, especially if we don't guarantee Payne's either...though not sure what we'd do at PG. I suppose we'd HAVE to try and get one for Ayton. I'm sure they really want Kyrie but Dallas really wants to keep him too...and if we paid Kyrie a max, we would probably be back in the tax.

But we can maybe get another PG for him like Rozier along with Nick Richards or something. Richards isn't great. Can't score away from the rim, but maybe that doesn't matter. He's not great, and can't score away from the rim, but we don't utilize the C much. He could probably give us like 12 and 9 if we played him 27 minutes or so, though he's never averaged 20 mpg.

[DRK]

Im not one to criticise coaches too harshly, but when a team with Booker, KD and CP3 (for a half) struggle to score 90 points in a basketball game in 2023, thats a massive red flag.

The 4th quarter of the previous game was some ugly offence. Okogie on the short roll, KD in the corner waiting, Ayton standing under the basket, Cam Payne iso.........Maybe our team relies more on CP3 than we think...

Would like to see some KD bringing the ball up more in Game 3. Run Booker off some secondary action.... Attack Jokic in the PnR... Force switches.... Try something different!!

[Slim Charless]

Well in that case I assume he'd say "Don't feel bad if you don't guarantee my contract. If you don't, I get it."

I'm curious on how that might work if CP retired.

I always viewed that final guaranteed portion of this deal as a deferred payment after he dropped the per year amount down from his old deal. Basically sarver was ducking the tax last season and paying it out. Then the final totally unguaranteed year was added so they could stretch that contact and it only count as $5 mil per year for 3 years instead of all $15 next year.

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If we stretch $15 we can probably get under the tax next year, especially if we don't guarantee Payne's either...though not sure what we'd do at PG. I suppose we'd HAVE to try and get one for Ayton. I'm sure they really want Kyrie but Dallas really wants to keep him too...and if we paid Kyrie a max, we would probably be back in the tax.

But we can maybe get another PG for him like Rozier along with Nick Richards or something. Richards isn't great. Can't score away from the rim, but maybe that doesn't matter. He's not great, and can't score away from the rim, but we don't utilize the C much. He could probably give us like 12 and 9 if we played him 27 minutes or so, though he's never averaged 20 mpg.

Nick Richards signed a 3 year / $15,000,000 contract with the Charlotte Hornets, including $10,000,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $5,000,000. In 2023-24, Richards will earn a base salary of $5,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $5,000,000 and a dead cap value of $5,000,000.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/charlotte-hornets/nick-richards-70684/#:~:text=Current%20Contract,dead%20cap%20value%20of%20%245%2C000%2C000.

Don't see why they'd trade him when they have him plus Mark Willaims already


I'd be fine with Rozier but again, I doubt that the best option. Better than Kyrie though I'll grant you. If we stretch cp3, can we make a play at FVV or maybe DLO? Personally, I'm not convinced the LAL wanna bring him back.

[garrick]

If Coach Bud is available you dont even look back and hire him.

The same criticisms for Monty are the same for Bud, difficult to adjust on the fly and maybe not the best X&Os type of coach but a great motivator.

First off you need talent more than better coaching so I would hope that Ishbia kicks out the complacent JJ and gets someone that is actually puts some effort into drafting and signing value players instead of picking up waived players on a 2 way contract and calling it a day.

[Jdiddy701]

If Coach Bud is available you dont even look back and hire him.

The same criticisms for Monty are the same for Bud, difficult to adjust on the fly and maybe not the best X&Os type of coach but a great motivator.

First off you need talent more than better coaching so I would hope that Ishbia kicks out the complacent JJ and gets someone that is actually puts some effort into drafting and signing value players instead of picking up waived players on a 2 way contract and calling it a day.

Is Bud actually a good motivator? I feel like that’s one of his worst traits actually.


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[SunsRback4Good]

Should Suns go after Budenholzer after he was canned today? He’s a prodigy of Greg Popovich and could really shake our team around in the right direction.

[spanishninja]

Should Suns go after Budenholzer after he was canned today? He’s a prodigy of Greg Popovich and could really shake our team around in the right direction.

i prefer that other prodigy of Pop instead

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[SunsRback4Good]

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Should Suns go after Budenholzer after he was canned today? He’s a prodigy of Greg Popovich and could really shake our team around in the right direction.

i prefer that other prodigy of Pop instead

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The other one is old and likely retire in a few years. Besides majority of Suns fans despise him for constantly denying us a title. Can you imagine if he became our coach there would be an outrage of fans wanting him gone.

[sunskerr]

Should Suns go after Budenholzer after he was canned today? He’s a prodigy of Greg Popovich and could really shake our team around in the right direction.

Probably not. Bucks fans were sick of him even the year they won the championship.

[Slim Charless]

Should Suns go after Budenholzer after he was canned today? He’s a prodigy of Greg Popovich and could really shake our team around in the right direction.

Probably not. Bucks fans were sick of him even the year they won the championship.

Buck fans are dumb. Their mod Mickey Davis and most of their board is proof enough of that.

[SunsRback4Good]

Should Suns go after Budenholzer after he was canned today? He’s a prodigy of Greg Popovich and could really shake our team around in the right direction.

Probably not. Bucks fans were sick of him even the year they won the championship.

Buck fans are dumb. Their mod Mickey Davis and most of their board is proof enough of that.

I know. He’s the reason that miserable organization got their first title in 50+ years since Kareem and now things aren’t working out so it’s obviously coaches fault. No it’s f****** players fault Giannis missing nearly 3 games, Middleton not same player after injury that’s two players right there who you need to go deep in the playoffs. Instead of waiting 2-3 more years they decide to can him immediately. What a horrendous organization I hope they don’t win another one for 40+ years that will teach them of playing devils advocate. And I really like their team besides Crowder & Allen. Even when they beat us I didn’t hate them like I despise Lakers, Spurs or Mavs.

[SunsRback4Good]

Should Suns go after Budenholzer after he was canned today? He’s a prodigy of Greg Popovich and could really shake our team around in the right direction.

Probably not. Bucks fans were sick of him even the year they won the championship.

Sick of a coach who got you your first title since the 1970’s? Hmmm

[sunskerr]

Should Suns go after Budenholzer after he was canned today? He’s a prodigy of Greg Popovich and could really shake our team around in the right direction.

Probably not. Bucks fans were sick of him even the year they won the championship.

Sick of a coach who got you your first title since the 1970’s? Hmmm

I mean to be fair that was all Giannis, and iirc the sentiment in 2021 around the league at the time (not just fans) was that he would have been fired had they lost earlier.

So it's good to have a memory for these sort of things and not just focus on the most recent thing at a time. This firing was a long time coming. Whether or not that's justified is up for debate, but that's what's going on with the Bucks.

[kennydorglas]

If Coach Bud is available you dont even look back and hire him.

The same criticisms for Monty are the same for Bud, difficult to adjust on the fly and maybe not the best X&Os type of coach but a great motivator.

First off you need talent more than better coaching so I would hope that Ishbia kicks out the complacent JJ and gets someone that is actually puts some effort into drafting and signing value players instead of picking up waived players on a 2 way contract and calling it a day.

Not a good X&O? lol Its literally what made him the hottest coach on the block in Atlanta with all his counters and deep plays.

[SunsRback4Good]

Probably not. Bucks fans were sick of him even the year they won the championship.

Sick of a coach who got you your first title since the 1970’s? Hmmm

I mean to be fair that was all Giannis, and iirc the sentiment in 2021 around the league at the time (not just fans) was that he would have been fired had they lost earlier.

So it's good to have a memory for these sort of things and not just focus on the most recent thing at a time. This firing was a long time coming. Whether or not that's justified is up for debate, but that's what's going on with the Bucks.

I just don’t recall in 90’s/mid 2000’s coaches being fired a couple years later after leading their team to a title. Maybe it happened I just can’t recall at this moment.

[kennydorglas]

Sick of a coach who got you your first title since the 1970’s? Hmmm

I mean to be fair that was all Giannis, and iirc the sentiment in 2021 around the league at the time (not just fans) was that he would have been fired had they lost earlier.

So it's good to have a memory for these sort of things and not just focus on the most recent thing at a time. This firing was a long time coming. Whether or not that's justified is up for debate, but that's what's going on with the Bucks.

I just don’t recall in 90’s/mid 2000’s coaches being fired a couple years later after leading their team to a title. Maybe it happened I just can’t recall at this moment.

Funny enough Vogel and Nurse got fired as well
Kerr the only one who kept his job

[SunsRback4Good]

I mean to be fair that was all Giannis, and iirc the sentiment in 2021 around the league at the time (not just fans) was that he would have been fired had they lost earlier.

So it's good to have a memory for these sort of things and not just focus on the most recent thing at a time. This firing was a long time coming. Whether or not that's justified is up for debate, but that's what's going on with the Bucks.

I just don’t recall in 90’s/mid 2000’s coaches being fired a couple years later after leading their team to a title. Maybe it happened I just can’t recall at this moment.

Funny enough Vogel and Nurse got fired as well
Kerr the only one who kept his job

If Celtics or Nuggets win a title this year, we’ll see if one or both coaches get fired by 24-25 season.