The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens!

[dremill24]

Y’all need to research Jalen Green at Pg . When van vleet went out , he played their pg and his efficiency went way up

Can you provide those numbers?. I’m genuinely interested.

Yes see below:

A closer look at his performance when functioning as point guard shows:

His usage rate jumped from ~27.8 % as a two-guard to ~30.4 % when slid over to point—yet relative to PGs, he wasn’t as ball-dominant
.
His efficiency shot metrics shot up: eFG % rose from ~47.6 % to about 53 %, and three-point shooting improved from 33 % to nearly 39 % in those PG minutes

The above suggests he’s not just handling the ball more—he’s often more efficient controlling the offense.

The article below had this data:

Udoka said, “He’s talented, he can do it. We all believe in him… he feels comfortable playing point guard.”

Green echoed that sentiment: “I feel like I’ve had the ball in my hands pretty much my whole basketball career… getting everybody else involved … flow of offense.”

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/rockets/article/houston-injuries-sengun-green-lineups-nba-20214917.php?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Strengths:

***Elite athlete with a tight handle––already creating space off the dribble

***He’s flashed playmaking ability, including a career-high 13 assists in a comeback game last season

***His basketball IQ and desire to learn from vets (e.g., Fred VanVleet) bode well for growth

Areas to develop:

***Ball-handling still needs more polish to thrive as primary initiator

***Decision-making under pressure—especially in pick‑and‑rolls—requires consistency

He is 23. I would love to see him play some point guard. Last season 80% was from the 2, and 20% was at the 1.

This dude did not just chat gpt this sh**

Edit: wait are you an AI bot?!

[KdoubleDees23]

Can you provide those numbers?. I’m genuinely interested.

Yes see below:

A closer look at his performance when functioning as point guard shows:

His usage rate jumped from ~27.8 % as a two-guard to ~30.4 % when slid over to point—yet relative to PGs, he wasn’t as ball-dominant
.
His efficiency shot metrics shot up: eFG % rose from ~47.6 % to about 53 %, and three-point shooting improved from 33 % to nearly 39 % in those PG minutes

The above suggests he’s not just handling the ball more—he’s often more efficient controlling the offense.

The article below had this data:

Udoka said, “He’s talented, he can do it. We all believe in him… he feels comfortable playing point guard.”

Green echoed that sentiment: “I feel like I’ve had the ball in my hands pretty much my whole basketball career… getting everybody else involved … flow of offense.”

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/rockets/article/houston-injuries-sengun-green-lineups-nba-20214917.php?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Strengths:

***Elite athlete with a tight handle––already creating space off the dribble

***He’s flashed playmaking ability, including a career-high 13 assists in a comeback game last season

***His basketball IQ and desire to learn from vets (e.g., Fred VanVleet) bode well for growth

Areas to develop:

***Ball-handling still needs more polish to thrive as primary initiator

***Decision-making under pressure—especially in pick‑and‑rolls—requires consistency

He is 23. I would love to see him play some point guard. Last season 80% was from the 2, and 20% was at the 1.

This dude did not just chat gpt this sh**

Edit: wait are you an AI bot?!

I also went through the chat gpt and put together all articles that were legit , and quoted the coach, and posted an article from the team. Also got actual facts from a site .

So yes it’s 2025 and I edited out anything that was from other sources .

So argue the stats and facts because it was proven like I said he was more efficient

[Mr Puddles]

Yes see below:

A closer look at his performance when functioning as point guard shows:

His usage rate jumped from ~27.8 % as a two-guard to ~30.4 % when slid over to point—yet relative to PGs, he wasn’t as ball-dominant
.
His efficiency shot metrics shot up: eFG % rose from ~47.6 % to about 53 %, and three-point shooting improved from 33 % to nearly 39 % in those PG minutes

The above suggests he’s not just handling the ball more—he’s often more efficient controlling the offense.

The article below had this data:

Udoka said, “He’s talented, he can do it. We all believe in him… he feels comfortable playing point guard.”

Green echoed that sentiment: “I feel like I’ve had the ball in my hands pretty much my whole basketball career… getting everybody else involved … flow of offense.”

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/rockets/article/houston-injuries-sengun-green-lineups-nba-20214917.php?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Strengths:

***Elite athlete with a tight handle––already creating space off the dribble

***He’s flashed playmaking ability, including a career-high 13 assists in a comeback game last season

***His basketball IQ and desire to learn from vets (e.g., Fred VanVleet) bode well for growth

Areas to develop:

***Ball-handling still needs more polish to thrive as primary initiator

***Decision-making under pressure—especially in pick‑and‑rolls—requires consistency

He is 23. I would love to see him play some point guard. Last season 80% was from the 2, and 20% was at the 1.

This dude did not just chat gpt this sh**

Edit: wait are you an AI bot?!

I also went through the chat gpt and put together all articles that were legit , and quoted the coach, and posted an article from the team. Also got actual facts from a site .

So yes it’s 2025 and I edited out anything that was from other sources .

So argue the stats and facts because it was proven like I said he was more efficient

Yeah, what a weird criticism lol. My man was asked to provide figures to someone interested and he went through the trouble if looking it up. What do you expect him to do, go to the library?

I for one didn't know about Green playing PG last season, so it was interesting to read, and I don't care how the info was retrieved, just if the info is legit.

[dremill24]

This dude did not just chat gpt this sh**

Edit: wait are you an AI bot?!

I also went through the chat gpt and put together all articles that were legit , and quoted the coach, and posted an article from the team. Also got actual facts from a site .

So yes it’s 2025 and I edited out anything that was from other sources .

So argue the stats and facts because it was proven like I said he was more efficient

Yeah, what a weird criticism lol. My man was asked to provide figures to someone interested and he went through the trouble if looking it up. What do you expect him to do, go to the library?

I for one didn't know about Green playing PG last season, so it was interesting to read, and I don't care how the info was retrieved, just if the info is legit.

Using chat gpt is exactly the reason to question legitimacy. Basic AI like that comes up with some wild sh** all the time lol, especially when you're gonna try to pass it off as an argument for complex, subjective, and nuanced principles

I'd love to see the source of this single shooting stat that apparently proves the point. Also that linked article says nothing useful on this topic lol.

I picked PBPStats to check some stuff out. They have Green shooting the same eFG% with or without VanVleet on the court and one percent lower TS% with VanVleet off the court than on. Also has him when playing without VanVleet, Thompson, or Holiday at:
48.9 eFG% (50.5 for all mins)
52.1 TS% (54.3 for all mins)
6.5 TOs per 100 (3.7 for all mins)

Im not saying these #s prove anything (though I dont see him actually being a GOOD 'point guard'), but what I am saying is I spent 5mins looking it up and found very different information. So yeah Im gonna be skeptical.

[Bogyo]

I also went through the chat gpt and put together all articles that were legit , and quoted the coach, and posted an article from the team. Also got actual facts from a site .

So yes it’s 2025 and I edited out anything that was from other sources .

So argue the stats and facts because it was proven like I said he was more efficient

Yeah, what a weird criticism lol. My man was asked to provide figures to someone interested and he went through the trouble if looking it up. What do you expect him to do, go to the library?

I for one didn't know about Green playing PG last season, so it was interesting to read, and I don't care how the info was retrieved, just if the info is legit.

Using chat gpt is exactly the reason to question legitimacy. Basic AI like that comes up with some wild sh** all the time lol, especially when you're gonna try to pass it off as an argument for complex, subjective, and nuanced principles

I'd love to see the source of this single shooting stat that apparently proves the point. Also that linked article says nothing useful on this topic lol.

I picked PBPStats to check some stuff out. They have Green shooting the same eFG% with or without VanVleet on the court and one percent lower TS% with VanVleet off the court than on. Also has him when playing without VanVleet, Thompson, or Holiday at:
48.9 eFG% (50.5 for all mins)
52.1 TS% (54.3 for all mins)
6.5 TOs per 100 (3.7 for all mins)

Im not saying these #s prove anything (though I dont see him actually being a GOOD 'point guard'), but what I am saying is I spent 5mins looking it up and found very different information. So yeah Im gonna be skeptical.

+1
(also if you've been to the league for 4 years, your own team didnt really want to resign you, and the word on you is "brainless chucker", then most probably I don't need chatgpt to figure out what you are)

[Saberestar]

I understand that some fans compared Jalen Green with Bradley Beal and that's why they have not faith in pairing Book with him BUT Green and Beal are DIFFERENT type of Gs.

First and foremost...HEALTH. Jalen Green is young, explosive and is fully healthy for real. He has played high minutes on every single game for the last 2 years.

Beal sadly arrived when he was 30 years old and he can't play hard constantly anymore, his body is broken and he needs rest from game to game.

[sunsbg]

I understand that some fans compared Jalen Green with Bradley Beal and that's why they have not faith in pairing Book with him BUT Green and Beal are DIFFERENT type of Gs.

First and foremost...HEALTH. Jalen Green is young, explosive and is fully healthy for real. He has played high minutes on every single game for the last 2 years.

Beal sadly arrived when he was 30 years old and he can't play hard constantly anymore, his body is broken and he needs rest from game to game.

Healthy and more explosive doesn't mean a better fit at all. Beal was more efficient, had better A/TO ratio, better defender, etc.

[Fo-Real]

Y’all need to research Jalen Green at Pg . When van vleet went out , he played their pg and his efficiency went way up

Can you provide those numbers?. I’m genuinely interested.

Yes see below:

A closer look at his performance when functioning as point guard shows:

His usage rate jumped from ~27.8 % as a two-guard to ~30.4 % when slid over to point—yet relative to PGs, he wasn’t as ball-dominant
.
His efficiency shot metrics shot up: eFG % rose from ~47.6 % to about 53 %, and three-point shooting improved from 33 % to nearly 39 % in those PG minutes

The above suggests he’s not just handling the ball more—he’s often more efficient controlling the offense.

The article below had this data:

Udoka said, “He’s talented, he can do it. We all believe in him… he feels comfortable playing point guard.”

Green echoed that sentiment: “I feel like I’ve had the ball in my hands pretty much my whole basketball career… getting everybody else involved … flow of offense.”

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/rockets/article/houston-injuries-sengun-green-lineups-nba-20214917.php?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Strengths:

***Elite athlete with a tight handle––already creating space off the dribble

***He’s flashed playmaking ability, including a career-high 13 assists in a comeback game last season

***His basketball IQ and desire to learn from vets (e.g., Fred VanVleet) bode well for growth

Areas to develop:

***Ball-handling still needs more polish to thrive as primary initiator

***Decision-making under pressure—especially in pick‑and‑rolls—requires consistency

He is 23. I would love to see him play some point guard. Last season 80% was from the 2, and 20% was at the 1.

One of the best of all, AVAILABILITY!! Relatively healthy to this point (KNOCK ON WOOD).

[Fo-Real]

This dude did not just chat gpt this sh**

Edit: wait are you an AI bot?!

I also went through the chat gpt and put together all articles that were legit , and quoted the coach, and posted an article from the team. Also got actual facts from a site .

So yes it’s 2025 and I edited out anything that was from other sources .

So argue the stats and facts because it was proven like I said he was more efficient

Yeah, what a weird criticism lol. My man was asked to provide figures to someone interested and he went through the trouble if looking it up. What do you expect him to do, go to the library?

I for one didn't know about Green playing PG last season, so it was interesting to read, and I don't care how the info was retrieved, just if the info is legit.

Fo-Real!!!

[Saberestar]

Booker/Gillespie
Green/*Brea
Brooks/Dunn
Kuminga/Nigel Hayes/Fleming
Williams/Maluach/Oso

If we do Allen/Royce/Richards+ 2nds for Kuminga we would have that Top 12 on the roster.

Then we would add to the rotation a PG/G via FA.

That would give us a nice 13 man capable to be on any rotation. I would love to watch that roster over our current roster.

I think it is gonna be a resolution in the next week because Kuminga and Giddey are the best RFA available and usually those type of players are signed before August.

[BobbieL]

Booker/Gillespie
Green/*Brea
Brooks/Dunn
Kuminga/Nigel Hayes/Fleming
Williams/Maluach/Oso

If we do Allen/Royce/Richards+ 2nds for Kuminga we would have that Top 12 on the roster.

Then we would add to the rotation a PG/G via FA.

That would give us a nice 13 man capable to be on any rotation. I would love to watch that roster over our current roster.

I think it is gonna be a resolution in the next week because Kuminga and Giddey are the best RFA available and usually those type of players are signed before August.

Are you really giving Kuminga 30m per year?

[Fo-Real]

Booker/Gillespie
Green/*Brea
Brooks/Dunn
Kuminga/Nigel Hayes/Fleming
Williams/Maluach/Oso

If we do Allen/Royce/Richards+ 2nds for Kuminga we would have that Top 12 on the roster.

Then we would add to the rotation a PG/G via FA.

That would give us a nice 13 man capable to be on any rotation. I would love to watch that roster over our current roster.

I think it is gonna be a resolution in the next week because Kuminga and Giddey are the best RFA available and usually those type of players are signed before August.

Are you really giving Kuminga 30m per year?

Very risky!! There has to be a reason that the Dubs have strung him along. Not like they have had a problem recognizing talent or using it when they have it on their roster.

[PhxLax]

Take it for what it's worth, but I know someone who works directly with Kuminga's camp on the private admin side of players and they claim he's a total idiot, Kerr hates him cause he doesn't listen, he and his agent are hard to work with cause they're a stubborn and arrogant camp and that's why the Warriors are so eager to unload him. Dude don't listen and doesn't follow Kerr's on court X's & O's and kinda does his own thing.

Not gonna be the best teammate -- and I even heard somebody on one of those Suns podcasts say "he can be a good mentor to Fleming" which is a joke. Dude can't be a mentor to anybody.

Nonetheless - I'd really take a shot at this. I still want him playing the starting PF to see what he's got.

[Saberestar]

Booker/Gillespie
Green/*Brea
Brooks/Dunn
Kuminga/Nigel Hayes/Fleming
Williams/Maluach/Oso

If we do Allen/Royce/Richards+ 2nds for Kuminga we would have that Top 12 on the roster.

Then we would add to the rotation a PG/G via FA.

That would give us a nice 13 man capable to be on any rotation. I would love to watch that roster over our current roster.

I think it is gonna be a resolution in the next week because Kuminga and Giddey are the best RFA available and usually those type of players are signed before August.

Are you really giving Kuminga 30m per year?

I would prefer to give him $100/4 years BUT probably those few millions between that contract and $120M/4 years are why we could get him on a sign&trade.

We would pay the same salaries but we would lose some depth. On the other hand Kuminga is the better player and he has untapped potential.

We have glue and defensive guys like Gillespie, Brooks, Dunn, Oso, Nigel Hayes...they are low usage players that need scorers/creators around them. I think Kuminga fits well on our roster and we showed interest on him before (KD's trade with the Warriors).

[Fo-Real]

Take it for what it's worth, but I know someone who works directly with Kuminga's camp on the private admin side of players and they claim he's a total idiot, Kerr hates him cause he doesn't listen, he and his agent are hard to work with cause they're a stubborn and arrogant camp and that's why the Warriors are so eager to unload him. Dude don't listen and doesn't follow Kerr's on court X's & O's and kinda does his own thing.

Not gonna be the best teammate -- and I even heard somebody on one of those Suns podcasts say "he can be a good mentor to Fleming" which is a joke. Dude can't be a mentor to anybody.

Nonetheless - I'd really take a shot at this. I still want him playing the starting PF to see what he's got.

Have heard that he just cant follow instructions and heard similar things that were said about Ayton... (You can physically see him trying to think the game, not natural, not smart, no personal accountability). There is probably a reason why a cerebral team like the Warriors cant seem to fit him in.

[Frank Lee]

Kuminga is a deluxe knucklehead. Would rather see what Fleming and NH-D can give us at PF. And moving Richards is foolish at the present. Maluach is not ready for real minutes.

So typical for the resident kneejerkers to jump at the new toy on the shelf. Wait this one out. We don’t have to be the town pump so soon again.

[starbosa10]

Want no part of kuminga

[Saberestar]

Read on Twitter

[garrick]

Take it for what it's worth, but I know someone who works directly with Kuminga's camp on the private admin side of players and they claim he's a total idiot, Kerr hates him cause he doesn't listen, he and his agent are hard to work with cause they're a stubborn and arrogant camp and that's why the Warriors are so eager to unload him. Dude don't listen and doesn't follow Kerr's on court X's & O's and kinda does his own thing.

Not gonna be the best teammate -- and I even heard somebody on one of those Suns podcasts say "he can be a good mentor to Fleming" which is a joke. Dude can't be a mentor to anybody.

Nonetheless - I'd really take a shot at this. I still want him playing the starting PF to see what he's got.

Have heard that he just cant follow instructions and heard similar things that were said about Ayton... (You can physically see him trying to think the game, not natural, not smart, no personal accountability). There is probably a reason why a cerebral team like the Warriors cant seem to fit him in.

The Warriors system is not for everyone.

Kelly Oubre did really poorly there because he's not a high IQ player and he played better on other teams where he could play more freely and freestyle a bit more. I would assume on a rebuilding team like ours we would be a lot more forgiving as we aren't really expecting to go far in the playoffs and just reaching the play in I think would be considered a successful season for us.

[KdoubleDees23]

This dude did not just chat gpt this sh**

Edit: wait are you an AI bot?!

I also went through the chat gpt and put together all articles that were legit , and quoted the coach, and posted an article from the team. Also got actual facts from a site .

So yes it’s 2025 and I edited out anything that was from other sources .

So argue the stats and facts because it was proven like I said he was more efficient

Yeah, what a weird criticism lol. My man was asked to provide figures to someone interested and he went through the trouble if looking it up. What do you expect him to do, go to the library?

I for one didn't know about Green playing PG last season, so it was interesting to read, and I don't care how the info was retrieved, just if the info is legit.

When I ask Chat GPT if there is any articles highlight Jalen Green playing point guard, then tweak it to say, any quotes from Coach Udoka on Jalen Green playing PG. That is what came up. Then you check the source, and being local Houston article. Boom its easy. OpenAI is coming out with a search engine to compete with Google.

Welcome to 2025.