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Official Free Agent Thread: What to do with our cap space

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Re: Official Free Agent Thread: What to do with our cap space 

Post#1621 » by thamadkant » Sun Jun 7, 2015 7:15 am

DRK wrote:Trading Bledsoe is not the answer. He's not on a cap-killing contract, and pretty much has no weaknesses on the court. He's a very very good starting point guard, and will only continue to improve.

I have no idea why people keep wanting to trade Bledsoe.

Got to build around Len, Bledsoe and Warren.

Because Knight is hard to trade... Knight cant be traded in draft night.

Hence Bledsoe is used for any trades that involves picks... and multiple players going out.
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Post#1622 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sun Jun 7, 2015 9:13 am

If we add a 35 year old it means you plan on winning the championship within 2 years.

If that's the case we should have just done Bledsoe, Dragic, Tucker, Gasol, Gortat.

If we're rebuilding then it should be Bledsoe, Knight, Warren, PF, Len.

Any combination would mean not really rebuilding or not really contending.
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Post#1623 » by Flying Colors » Sun Jun 7, 2015 9:45 am

yeah, im kinda over getting older guys to try and make the playoffs, i rather we just go younger
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Re: Official Free Agent Thread: What to do with our cap space 

Post#1624 » by Barkley_34 » Sun Jun 7, 2015 1:27 pm

DRK wrote:Trading Bledsoe is not the answer. He's not on a cap-killing contract, and pretty much has no weaknesses on the court. He's a very very good starting point guard, and will only continue to improve.

I have no idea why people keep wanting to trade Bledsoe.

Got to build around Len, Bledsoe and Warren.


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Post#1625 » by BobbieL » Sun Jun 7, 2015 1:47 pm

DRK wrote:Trading Bledsoe is not the answer. He's not on a cap-killing contract, and pretty much has no weaknesses on the court. He's a very very good starting point guard, and will only continue to improve.

I have no idea why people keep wanting to trade Bledsoe.

Got to build around Len, Bledsoe and Warren.


If it helps the team -you trade them . That's what I think

And for me, there is only one player that I care that is back in 2015-16 season - Brandon Wright. I don't think he will be that expensive. I think he fills a very good role and just getting his peak as a player. Everybody else open for business.
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Post#1626 » by Fo-Real » Sun Jun 7, 2015 3:11 pm

Tyson Chandler and Amare cheap on one year deals....draft Frank Lol...... Only half kidding
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Post#1627 » by DRK » Sun Jun 7, 2015 3:35 pm

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DRK wrote:Trading Bledsoe is not the answer. He's not on a cap-killing contract, and pretty much has no weaknesses on the court. He's a very very good starting point guard, and will only continue to improve.

I have no idea why people keep wanting to trade Bledsoe.

Got to build around Len, Bledsoe and Warren.

Because Knight is hard to trade... Knight cant be traded in draft night.

Hence Bledsoe is used for any trades that involves picks... and multiple players going out.


Why trade at all?

Run with Blade-Knight for a while and see how it goes.
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Post#1628 » by BobbieL » Sun Jun 7, 2015 5:17 pm

Fo-Real wrote:Tyson Chandler and Amare cheap on one year deals....draft Frank Lol...... Only half kidding


Tyson Chandler - arrrrggghhhhhhhhhhh!!!

there is a litany of what ifs in recent Suns history
what if Joe Johnson doesn't get hurt
what if Danny Manning - that's almost 20 years ago, doesn't get hurt
but two things stand out

1) not trading Amare for Garnett -

2) Sarver pocketing the $18m (I get it, he is owner, its his money) - but if they really could have traded Shaq for Ben and flipped Ben for Tyson - that team would have won the title. As it was, they lost in 6 to the Lakers in the WCF. Oh well

I am okay with Amare and Chandler on one year deals. But the key thing is - what to do with the Morris twins and Tucker and the young players. Don't panic and do something stupid but kind of need a change in players
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Post#1629 » by Saberestar » Sun Jun 7, 2015 5:26 pm

Thinking about adding a veteran player with leadership's skills. ...what about Chuck Hayes? I know that he is not a rotation player anymore, but he can be great at the end of the bench playing for the minimun. He can play some minutes if necessary, good defender and great IQ.
He and Andre Miller are my favourite cheap options to bring leadership.
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Post#1630 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jun 7, 2015 6:29 pm

Saberestar wrote:Thinking about adding a veteran player with leadership's skills. ...what about Chuck Hayes? I know that he is not a rotation player anymore, but he can be great at the end of the bench playing for the minimun. He can play some minutes if necessary, good defender and great IQ.
He and Andre Miller are my favourite cheap options to bring leadership.


I think both would be good. Carl Landry too.
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Post#1631 » by RaisingArizona » Sun Jun 7, 2015 6:50 pm

SideSwipe wrote:Been playing with the idea of a trade and rebuild built around the following:

Trade for Pau Gasol (Just posted on T&T) Tucker, plus #13 and Cavs #1 for Gasol and 2016 CHI #2
Get Knight to sign for the QO so he can sign a more lucrative deal next year and give the Suns cap flexibility this year.
After the previous deals sign either a premier Center (Gasol, Jordan, Chandler) or break up the deals into signing Matthews, and re-upping Wright and Green.
**Also secretly hoping that Fenerbache Ulkers financial troubles give Bogdanovic an out to come to the NBA this year**

Bledsoe/ Goodwin
Knight/ Matthews/ Bullock
Granger/ Warren/
Pau/ Kieff/ Mook
Len/ Wright

or

Bledsoe/ Goodwin
Knight/ Bullock
Granger/ Warren/
Pau/ Kieff/ Mook
Jordan/ Len/

We would still have a $5.5 mil TPE to use for help with a backup vet at the 1 or 2 as well as vet mins.

That's so much to give up for an aging Gasol. Even with that deal, we're not a contender, IMO. No go from me.
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Post#1632 » by gaspar » Sun Jun 7, 2015 6:55 pm

You can't really be a leader, if you are not leading your team on the court. Players like Hayes or Miller won't bring anything to this team. They both have very little to offer on the court. We already have Granger (who has a guaranteed contract for the next season) who can be our "token" leader.

And why the hell would anyone want Landry and his overpaid and injury prone ass on this team?
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Post#1633 » by Saberestar » Sun Jun 7, 2015 7:53 pm

gaspar wrote:You can't really be a leader, if you are not leading your team on the court. Players like Hayes or Miller won't bring anything to this team. They both have very little to offer on the court. We already have Granger (who has a guaranteed contract for the next season) who can be our "token" leader.

And why the hell would anyone want Landry and his overpaid and injury prone ass on this team?

Granger has a player option next year, and he doesn't know if he will exercise it at this point of the offseason.
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Post#1634 » by Fo-Real » Sun Jun 7, 2015 8:18 pm

Ok... Then, Chandler on one year deal.... roll the dice on Grangers buddy David West to opt of his last year.... draft Frank...... trade the Morri to Chi for Taj and filler ( attempt to include tucker somehow or trade him somewhere else).... resign Knight. Vet leaders Granger, West, Chandler.... all made healthy by our med staff ofcourse. Still have youth in Bledso, knight, Warren, Len..... Len is still young and not the starter on a contending team. Bled/ Knight/ Granger/ West/ Chandler.......Bench.....f/a...../ Archie/ Warren/ Taj/ Len.... Frank where he fits.... or draft Payne instead and he is backup pg???
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Post#1635 » by BobbieL » Sun Jun 7, 2015 9:14 pm

Fo-Real wrote:Ok... Then, Chandler on one year deal.... roll the dice on Grangers buddy David West to opt of his last year.... draft Frank...... trade the Morri to Chi for Taj and filler ( attempt to include tucker somehow or trade him somewhere else).... resign Knight. Vet leaders Granger, West, Chandler.... all made healthy by our med staff ofcourse. Still have youth in Bledso, knight, Warren, Len..... Len is still young and not the starter on a contending team. Bled/ Knight/ Granger/ West/ Chandler.......Bench.....f/a...../ Archie/ Warren/ Taj/ Len.... Frank where he fits.... or draft Payne instead and he is backup pg???


The 52m question
1) who would trade for the Morri
2) what horrible contract or average player (s) will the Suns need to take
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Post#1636 » by Fo-Real » Sun Jun 7, 2015 9:25 pm

Never mind David West.... all he seems good for these days is fighting.
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Post#1637 » by AtheJ415 » Sun Jun 7, 2015 9:30 pm

BobbieL wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:Ok... Then, Chandler on one year deal.... roll the dice on Grangers buddy David West to opt of his last year.... draft Frank...... trade the Morri to Chi for Taj and filler ( attempt to include tucker somehow or trade him somewhere else).... resign Knight. Vet leaders Granger, West, Chandler.... all made healthy by our med staff ofcourse. Still have youth in Bledso, knight, Warren, Len..... Len is still young and not the starter on a contending team. Bled/ Knight/ Granger/ West/ Chandler.......Bench.....f/a...../ Archie/ Warren/ Taj/ Len.... Frank where he fits.... or draft Payne instead and he is backup pg???


The 52m question
1) who would trade for the Morri
2) what horrible contract or average player (s) will the Suns need to take



If #2 is a part of the question, then #1 is irrelevant. People can hate on the Morii for their attitudes and legal issues, but at the end of the day they are good young players on amazing contracts. Dumping them for a negative asset would be astronomically stupid.
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Post#1638 » by BobbieL » Sun Jun 7, 2015 10:30 pm

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BobbieL wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:Ok... Then, Chandler on one year deal.... roll the dice on Grangers buddy David West to opt of his last year.... draft Frank...... trade the Morri to Chi for Taj and filler ( attempt to include tucker somehow or trade him somewhere else).... resign Knight. Vet leaders Granger, West, Chandler.... all made healthy by our med staff ofcourse. Still have youth in Bledso, knight, Warren, Len..... Len is still young and not the starter on a contending team. Bled/ Knight/ Granger/ West/ Chandler.......Bench.....f/a...../ Archie/ Warren/ Taj/ Len.... Frank where he fits.... or draft Payne instead and he is backup pg???


The 52m question
1) who would trade for the Morri
2) what horrible contract or average player (s) will the Suns need to take



If #2 is a part of the question, then #1 is irrelevant. People can hate on the Morii for their attitudes and legal issues, but at the end of the day they are good young players on amazing contracts. Dumping them for a negative asset would be astronomically stupid.



That's true. But the way I see the Morris twins - is they are part of the problem and not the solution. So, the Suns are not trading them because of their ability - they are trading them because they seem to not "non team players." Maybe I am being very subjective. But their actions last year were selfish and about the two of them and not the team. Is that a one year thing or a trend for the future.

I think a guy like PJ Tucker will be easy to trade if you want. He has a reasonable dollar value per year - a good presence for the right team making a playoff push.
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Post#1639 » by Frank Lee » Mon Jun 8, 2015 11:06 am

According to McDuh.... he's wants players that fit into some loosely defined 'Culture' who are team players... we'll see. But I sense hollow words and tied hands here as the MoBros have opted for the orange jumpsuit lifestyle.

Would be nice to clear off their salary before FA hunting season begins. And to be honest, I have little to no use for Tucker at this point. He was our 'hard working veteran' who overslept/partied on his leadership role. Gladly move him for a late/future pick. All his minutes can be better spent on someone else.
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Post#1640 » by nevetsov » Mon Jun 8, 2015 3:16 pm

Frank Lee wrote:And to be honest, I have little to no use for Tucker at this point. He was our 'hard working veteran' who overslept/partied on his leadership role. Gladly move him for a late/future pick. All his minutes can be better spent on someone else.


Good point, Frank. If Tucker was providing enough veteran leadership to compensate for his lack of talent, we wouldn't be hearing from the FO about how we need a veteran leader. I think he goes in the right deal for sure.

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