Draft Discussion Part 3

[EricAnderson]

How would the Celtics get Fultz? He's going to Philly.

I'm confused as to what you are asking.
I'm saying, why would the Celtics trade down from No 1 to No 3 if they were just going to trade this year's pick to the Bulls for Butler. Wouldn't the Bulls just prefer the No 1 pick?

Maybe Chicago told them who they want and it was Tatum or Jackson. So they did this deal in order to get more assets.
I think if Boston offered the #3 pick and Brooklyn's next year along with salary filler like Bradley (since Butler is taking that role anyway), Chicago will do it.

Or the Celtics might not have to give up this years pick for Butler

Next years Nets pick and the Lakers or Kings pick plus a player or two could probably get Butler if Chicagos willing to deal him yet

If the Bulls do that they could theoretically have three top 5 picks next year

[bwgood77]

Some thoughts from the Bulls board about who they'd want at 3...

If we get the third pick, who would you guys hope we end up with. Assuming Fultz is drafted already, I think I'd rather have Ball at 3 than Jackson. Ball's shooting form worries me and I want nothing to do with LaVar Ball, but I think Lonzo has more star potential than Josh Jackson.

#3? I would personally go with Isaac. I think that kid is gonna be a next level freak and 2 way monster.
But Jackson would be the player I would go with for the Bulls.

Josh Jackson
Jonathan Isaac
De'Aaron Fox
Jayson Tatum
Dennis Smith

If Isaac had Jacksons motor he would go No.1.

I think he has an outside shot at being the best player in this draft if everything breaks right for him.

Edit: Reading more there are opinions all over the place...quite a few want Ball, quite a few want Fox. Didn't see Tatum once though, yet.

[kennydorglas]

I just watched one complete JJ vid (I haven't since the lottery) and if he falls.......I would be ecstatic. I don't believe it will happen though.....no way, right? He is soooo dynamic. Didn't want to watch and be disappointed because I knew we would lose out on him. Too late.....we have to get him.

Please over think it Magic and Ainge.

Bu-bu-but, his wingspan, though.

I think we get attached too much to certain things. Yes, Kawhi is a great defender with freakishly long arms, but is he a great defender because of them, or is it because he takes pride in defending and uses great technique which does utilize his freakishly long arms? I think we'd be talking about Kawhi, even if he didn't have long arms.

Jackson will be a damn good player in the NBA.

yep, Jackson plays WAY bigger than his measurements. His motor is just unbelievable.

[bwgood77]

I'm confused as to what you are asking.
I'm saying, why would the Celtics trade down from No 1 to No 3 if they were just going to trade this year's pick to the Bulls for Butler. Wouldn't the Bulls just prefer the No 1 pick?

Maybe Chicago told them who they want and it was Tatum or Jackson. So they did this deal in order to get more assets.
I think if Boston offered the #3 pick and Brooklyn's next year along with salary filler like Bradley (since Butler is taking that role anyway), Chicago will do it.

Or the Celtics might not have to give up this years pick for Butler

Next years Nets pick and the Lakers or Kings pick plus a player or two could probably get Butler if Chicagos willing to deal him yet

If the Bulls do that they could theoretically have three top 5 picks next year

Three top 5 picks in next year's class would be crazy good....particularly since you have a SG, SF, a C and two PF/Cs. It's not all PGs and wings like this year where 3 top 5 picks wouldn't allow you to address multiple positions as well.

[bwgood77]

I just watched one complete JJ vid (I haven't since the lottery) and if he falls.......I would be ecstatic. I don't believe it will happen though.....no way, right? He is soooo dynamic. Didn't want to watch and be disappointed because I knew we would lose out on him. Too late.....we have to get him.

Please over think it Magic and Ainge.

Bu-bu-but, his wingspan, though.

I think we get attached too much to certain things. Yes, Kawhi is a great defender with freakishly long arms, but is he a great defender because of them, or is it because he takes pride in defending and uses great technique which does utilize his freakishly long arms? I think we'd be talking about Kawhi, even if he didn't have long arms.

Jackson will be a damn good player in the NBA.

yep, Jackson plays WAY bigger than his measurements. His motor is just unbelievable.

Yeah, he would likely be a guy who's effort and heart would be contagious, like a Tucker in that regard, where it elevates how hard everyone else plays as well...of course he is much better all around too. I just hope he can shoot and keep his head straight if we end up with him.

[jredsaz]

i really think we are going to pick Tatum at this point, seems to have the work ethic and character the front office is looking for.

Just read about him starting a program for single moms ,and I had read in the past he was a gym rat.

He needs to use that work ethic on his defense because some draft metrics project him as the worst defender in the pros among top 5 draft candidates.

The guy played in 29 games last season coming back from injury. I have a hard time relying on projected defensive metrics from that sample size to project a prospects actual defensive performance.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

I'm confused as to what you are asking.
I'm saying, why would the Celtics trade down from No 1 to No 3 if they were just going to trade this year's pick to the Bulls for Butler. Wouldn't the Bulls just prefer the No 1 pick?

Maybe Chicago told them who they want and it was Tatum or Jackson. So they did this deal in order to get more assets.
I think if Boston offered the #3 pick and Brooklyn's next year along with salary filler like Bradley (since Butler is taking that role anyway), Chicago will do it.

Or the Celtics might not have to give up this years pick for Butler

Next years Nets pick and the Lakers or Kings pick plus a player or two could probably get Butler if Chicagos willing to deal him yet

If the Bulls do that they could theoretically have three top 5 picks next year

I can't see the bulls trading butler this summer without getting a pick on Thursday back. And if they had some deal already worked out with boston i don't think this philly deal would have went down. At that point they might as well wait until the deadline in February. I actually don't think butler is going anywhere this summer.

I could see Boston make a play for jordan from the clips. They need rebounding badly and something like crowder, amirs contract plus a future pick or two could work and make some sense for both teams. In that scenario boston keeps 3 and takes a wing and could still make another minor move to clear max space to go after hayward.

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[JMac1]

i really think we are going to pick Tatum at this point, seems to have the work ethic and character the front office is looking for.

Just read about him starting a program for single moms ,and I had read in the past he was a gym rat.

He needs to use that work ethic on his defense because some draft metrics project him as the worst defender in the pros among top 5 draft candidates.

The guy played in 29 games last season coming back from injury. I have a hard time relying on projected defensive metrics from that sample size to project a prospects actual defensive performance.

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That's one reason to like him. I had forgotten about the injury. He turned it on during the ACC tourney. Not a bad consolation prize next to JJ.

Isaac still is intriguing though when deciding between he and Tatum with JJ gone.

[NavLDO]

If they would draft ball Bledsoe should absolutely be traded. To take full advantage of balls stregths he needs to be running the offense. Anything else is wasting his tools and stunting his development. Turn the keys over from day one of camp.

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Not to mention (and maybe someone already has...)that if we didn't do this, as you state, we'd never hear the end of it from Lavar...

...so think about this everyone in Ball's camp; EVERYTIME the Suns do something Lavar doesn't like, he will bring it up to the media.

Which means, if Bookers says something that is hurtful to Ball in the Locker Room...tomorrow it's on Twitter...
...Coach sits him in favor of...who cares...and Ball doesn't like it?...tomorrow it's on Twitter...
...He starts playing really well during his rookie contract? Welp, the Suns better pay up--NOW...and... A LOT!! Like a Max......tomorrow it's on Twitter...

How long before he is either ostracized from the team, or his Dad is from the them and his son is pissed off, or goodness, I can't even imagine all the possible scenarios? No, no, and no...Let the Lakers inherit this nightmare scenario. I don't care how good he might be, because, well, look at scenario #3 above...then it will eventually become a problem. The SECOND he is eligible for a new contract, you better believe 'Daddy Ball' will be there demanding a Max, regardless of his son's play...and the way he was dismantled by Fox during their two matchups this last season is enough for me to determine that he is NOT that special.

[Tysons Elbow]

Am I the only one who don't like Jackson? Shooting, character, length are not good. I'm also scared of Lavar. Really hope that top 3 will be as planed and Suns will end with Isaac or Tatum.

I agree on Jackson. Shooting/Character scares the hell outta me. I'm not afraid of Lavar, however. Lonzo is about to enter a completely different stage in his life. He's a grown man. About to be an NBA star. Living that life will cause(force) his independence. In high school and college I can understand allowing your father to have such a hold on your life. But at 21? 23? 25? Traveling the country. Making money. It'll die down. Plus, Lavar has 2 more kids that he's going to be hyping up over the next few years. The focus will shift, and Lonzo will just be Lonzo.


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[Villalobos]

FWIW, DX now has Tatum going to Cs at 3. Jackson to PHX

Hopefully this one lasts a little longer than Monk at #3 for Philly did.

[Sunzgunz]

If Boston doesnt trade the pick for a proven star, then Tatum to boston makes sense for a number of reasons! Question is, does Boston move back again? I don't think phx will take Tatum, but we could. Unless boston has isaac or someone rated very close to tatum....i dont think it's safe for them to trade down again.

With that said, the Celtics are in win now mode and in their losing, 5 game matchup vs the cavs, one series away from NBA championship, they never had more blocks than the cavs and only outrebounded them in 1 game. Their bigs were destroyed on the boards....only in one game did the Celtics boast a player with double digits in rebounds....and guess who won that game? It was the only game Celtics won.

If only one knew where to find a veteran double double rebounding big with playoff experience and a strong locker room presence that could help a team one step away win now?

If Celtics are confident than can grab Tatum with the 5 spot, or just decide to move back to the 5 or 10 spot for whatever reason......we should make a courtesy phone call...

We help ensure they get their man at 5 (tatum, most ready to contribute at the next level), we dont field trade calls, we draft ur man at the 4 spot, u get ours at the 5 spot, essentially swapping picks....the cost for doing so? ...well not so fast, we also send u Tyson Chandler giving u a much needed and proven double double guy with an interior defensive presence. We give u our 32 spot.

Trade value breaks down as such:

Suns pick 4 = 6.37; Boston Pick 5 = 5.94 (Boston + 0.43 trade value)

Boston pick 10 = 4.11; Suns Pick 32 = 1.06 (Suns + 3.05 trade value)

Suns 3.05 - Boston 0.43 = Suns up w/ 2.62 trade value

2.62 trade value = 16th pick (1sr round)

Tyson Chandler = 16th pick in draft?

Or do we have to sweeting the pot? Numerically were in the ball park, perhaps it's as simple as giving them some cap relief? We give them Chandler (plus, #4/#32 and cap relief/flexibility ) and take Amir Johnson and Jonas Jerebko (plus, #5/#10).

However, if dsj, isaac or monk fall to the 10 spot (a few others that I can't foresee falling) Id replace cap relief and #32 with either Miami's or our pick (add protections and flexibility so we don't give up a top 5 pick).

Option 2 (if a desirable player falls)
#4, 2018 1st rounder (see protections above) and Tyson Chandler
For
#5, #10 and cap filler (guessing Amir johnson)

[JMac1]

Ainge will give us first dibs on JJ if he doesn't want him and we do.

[WeekapaugGroove]

No chance in hell the Celtics will take chandlers contract prior to free agency... none. Now say they create max cap room and strike out on all their big fa targets then maybe but i find even that unlikely because they wouldn't want chandlers salary for 2018 on the books.

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[JMac1]

Funny, a lot of tweets with Boston on Tatum and JJ. JJ is the BPA and Tatum is the better fit.....When you are competing you go better fit like Cleveland did with Love and Wiggins. I hope

[Qwigglez]

What is JJ projected to be in the NBA?
I hear Fultz is Harden, Tatum is Pierce, Ball is Kidd. Who is a good comparison for Jackson?

[Saberestar]

Read on Twitter

Is he probably talking about draft's movement?

[BobbieL]

I just watched one complete JJ vid (I haven't since the lottery) and if he falls.......I would be ecstatic. I don't believe it will happen though.....no way, right? He is soooo dynamic. Didn't want to watch and be disappointed because I knew we would lose out on him. Too late.....we have to get him.

Please over think it Magic and Ainge.

Bu-bu-but, his wingspan, though.

I think we get attached too much to certain things. Yes, Kawhi is a great defender with freakishly long arms, but is he a great defender because of them, or is it because he takes pride in defending and uses great technique which does utilize his freakishly long arms? I think we'd be talking about Kawhi, even if he didn't have long arms.

Jackson will be a damn good player in the NBA.

Agree! If Shawn Marion was able to be fix his jumper, I'm sure JJackson will be able to. He's freakish athletically.

I think he is the guy I want the most at the Forward position. But the character issues are a concern. But the ability to defend and the athletic ability stand out. If the Suns get JJ and Hart with their two picks -- that would be solid right there. With the 54the pick - can than stash an International player

[WeekapaugGroove]

What is JJ projected to be in the NBA?
I hear Fultz is Harden, Tatum is Pierce, Ball is Kidd. Who is a good comparison for Jackson?

Stephen jackson and iggy are decent comps.

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[BobbieL]

What is JJ projected to be in the NBA?
I hear Fultz is Harden, Tatum is Pierce, Ball is Kidd. Who is a good comparison for Jackson?

Marion is the name I hear most offense. Athletic and can defend, The offense is a work in progress.