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Re: 2019 season speculation 

Post#1621 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:17 pm

bwgood77 wrote:A little bit of the latest from Gina:

Williams has already noticed Ayton’s added muscle via weight-room sessions with the strength and conditioning staff. On the court, Ayton has worked with assistant coach Mark Bryant on getting a little more arc on his jumper, which will help him eventually add a 3-pointer to his game. Ayton has run scripted plays. He has observed Baynes, whose hard screen-setting and sharp communication as a defensive anchor are areas the Suns staff wants Ayton to improve.

And after most players have left the practice court, Ayton plays in pickup games with non-rotation teammates along with assistant and player-development coaches such as Steve Blake and Willie Green. Following a Friday night practice in Minneapolis prior to a win against the Timberwolves, Ayton and rookie point guard Ty Jerome (who is currently recovering from a sprained ankle) were the last players on the Target Center floor.

“He was killing it,” second-year guard Elie Okobo said of Ayton’s work in those pickup games. “He was playing like Deandre. He was bullying people, playing strong, dunking the ball, shooting 3s, playing with a high energy. It’s good to see him working hard and being ready.”

Added Baynes: “He’s the biggest piece of this team — literally. He’s definitely gonna help us when he comes back. It’s just maintaining his focus right now. … taking advantage of his time that he has right now to key in on being a student of the game and also getting his body right so there’s no digression in that area when he does come back.”


That's awesome honestly! I really hope that they can turn this otherwise negative situation into a positive situation from his potential growth. And threes are encouraging too. But I really hope that he comes back with a chip on his shoulder most of all. Hopefully blocking shots and setting hard screens, and a lot more aggressive dunks too.
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Re: 2019 season speculation 

Post#1622 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:23 pm

Wake me up when Ayton is finally bullying, playing strong, shooting 3's, playing with high energy and dunking on fools consistently
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Post#1623 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:28 pm

Blonde wrote:I’ve posted my thoughts on this before but I keep coming back to LMA because he’s the only option (or only obvious option) that helps us get a lot better right now, but still keeps our cap situation clean for the summer of 2021 to add a max free agent. He’s healthier than Love or Griffin, better than them on defense, and doesn’t hurt our capspace when we’ll need it.


But would the Spurs consider trading him? And what's their current cap space situation? Just curious. But open to the possability for sure.
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Post#1624 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:38 pm

Blonde wrote:I’ve posted my thoughts on this before but I keep coming back to LMA because he’s the only option (or only obvious option) that helps us get a lot better right now, but still keeps our cap situation clean for the summer of 2021 to add a max free agent. He’s healthier than Love or Griffin, better than them on defense, and doesn’t hurt our capspace when we’ll need it.
I just don't know about the fit in Monty's O. Aldridge started shooting some 3s now but his bread and butter is still that face up mid range game. That just doesn't seem real condusive to what the suns want to run and they will already need to bake some of that in for Ayton who also likes to operate in that zone.

People will take this as a slight (but shouldn't because he's had a hell of a career) but the guy Ayton reminds me the most of is Aldridge. Very similar styles to their games.

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Post#1625 » by Blonde » Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:12 am

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Blonde wrote:I’ve posted my thoughts on this before but I keep coming back to LMA because he’s the only option (or only obvious option) that helps us get a lot better right now, but still keeps our cap situation clean for the summer of 2021 to add a max free agent. He’s healthier than Love or Griffin, better than them on defense, and doesn’t hurt our capspace when we’ll need it.
I just don't know about the fit in Monty's O. Aldridge started shooting some 3s now but his bread and butter is still that face up mid range game. That just doesn't seem real condusive to what the suns want to run and they will already need to bake some of that in for Ayton who also likes to operate in that zone.

People will take this as a slight (but shouldn't because he's had a hell of a career) but the guy Ayton reminds me the most of is Aldridge. Very similar styles to their games.

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Definitely not a perfect fit on offense but the scoring between Booker/Aldridge/Ayton would be completely overwhelming for opposing defenses. We shouldn’t be so beholden to an offensive system that we reject talent upgrades because of it. The point of making a trade like this would just be to showcase the young guys as being ready to win now if and when we can get that 3rd star. I definitely respect contrary opinions though.

I also very much agree on the Ayton/LMA comp.
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Post#1626 » by bwgood77 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:14 am

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Blonde wrote:I’ve posted my thoughts on this before but I keep coming back to LMA because he’s the only option (or only obvious option) that helps us get a lot better right now, but still keeps our cap situation clean for the summer of 2021 to add a max free agent. He’s healthier than Love or Griffin, better than them on defense, and doesn’t hurt our capspace when we’ll need it.
I just don't know about the fit in Monty's O. Aldridge started shooting some 3s now but his bread and butter is still that face up mid range game. That just doesn't seem real condusive to what the suns want to run and they will already need to bake some of that in for Ayton who also likes to operate in that zone.

People will take this as a slight (but shouldn't because he's had a hell of a career) but the guy Ayton reminds me the most of is Aldridge. Very similar styles to their games.

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I'm not a huge fan of Saric but I have read and heard from multiple people (and Saric even said it) that he usually starts slow to seasons. Now while that isn't a good thing, I would like to see how he plays for awhile, at least to the trade deadline unless something looks like an obvious move to be made.

I could see SA very happy to cash in on Aldridge for a young stretch 4 they could make a part of their future though in Saric. I'm sure they'd consider it, especially if they appear out of the playoff race, though I wouldn't go for it.
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Post#1627 » by suns12345 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:52 am

lilfishi22 wrote:Wake me up when Ayton is finally bullying, playing strong, shooting 3's, playing with high energy and dunking on fools consistently


You could be asleep for a while. Will miss you around here :lol:
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Post#1628 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:31 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:Wake me up when Ayton is finally bullying, playing strong, shooting 3's, playing with high energy and dunking on fools consistently


You could be asleep for a while. Will miss you around here :lol:

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Post#1629 » by Revived » Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:06 am

lilfishi22 wrote:Wake me up when Ayton is finally bullying, playing strong, shooting 3's, playing with high energy and dunking on fools consistently

I saw a recent quote from Duane Rankins about how he saw Ayton and he was drilling 15 footers and I just rolled my eyes at my laptop screen.

I’d rather him actually develop a reliable post game first before continuing to hit that baseline J.

He needs to watch film of Anthony Davis every single night and even though he will likely never be as good as Davis defensively, I’d like to see Ayton emulate him offensively.

Davis seems to have the perfect balance of post game and mid range shooting ability. And he knows exactly when to use which depending on who’s guarding him and how the play is breaking down.
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Post#1630 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:10 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:Wake me up when Ayton is finally bullying, playing strong, shooting 3's, playing with high energy and dunking on fools consistently

I saw a recent quote from Duane Rankins about how he saw Ayton and he was drilling 15 footers and I just rolled my eyes at my laptop screen.

I’d rather him actually develop a reliable post game first before continuing to hit that baseline J.

He needs to watch film of Anthony Davis every single night and even though he will likely never be as good as Davis defensively, I’d like to see Ayton emulate him offensively.

Davis seems to have the perfect balance of post game and mid range shooting ability. And he knows exactly when to use which depending on who’s guarding him and how the play is breaking down.

My take is that all of this reporting and practice quotes mean nothing. He could be 7ft Michael Jordan in practice but if he doesn't play like that then it means squat.
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Post#1631 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:55 am

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Blonde wrote:I’ve posted my thoughts on this before but I keep coming back to LMA because he’s the only option (or only obvious option) that helps us get a lot better right now, but still keeps our cap situation clean for the summer of 2021 to add a max free agent. He’s healthier than Love or Griffin, better than them on defense, and doesn’t hurt our capspace when we’ll need it.
I just don't know about the fit in Monty's O. Aldridge started shooting some 3s now but his bread and butter is still that face up mid range game. That just doesn't seem real condusive to what the suns want to run and they will already need to bake some of that in for Ayton who also likes to operate in that zone.

People will take this as a slight (but shouldn't because he's had a hell of a career) but the guy Ayton reminds me the most of is Aldridge. Very similar styles to their games.

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Definitely not a perfect fit on offense but the scoring between Booker/Aldridge/Ayton would be completely overwhelming for opposing defenses. We shouldn’t be so beholden to an offensive system that we reject talent upgrades because of it. The point of making a trade like this would just be to showcase the young guys as being ready to win now if and when we can get that 3rd star. I definitely respect contrary opinions though.

I also very much agree on the Ayton/LMA comp.
I agree with not being so rigid with a system you can't insert talent. Short term they probably could make it work but fundimentally I'm against having two bigs who need touches basically in the same spot on the floor no matter what scheme you're playing. You'd basically have to park one at the 3pt line at all times and probably see diminishing returns.

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Post#1632 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:40 am

100% agree with Weeks. I certainly don't think we should forgo talent because they don't fit the offensive system but offensive system aside, the best type of player to put next to Ayton long term is still a floor stretcher and LMA isn't that guy, even though he's just started shooting 3's this season. As Weeks suggested, parking one of the two outside of the paint would take them out of where they do their best work.
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Post#1633 » by Wilber85 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:53 am

I have friends that said they would take John Wall 11/24/2019 over Rubio if we could trade straight up!

Idiots! Wall will never come back the same
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Post#1634 » by Walt_Uoob » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:06 am

The move I keep coming back to is Johnson, Ayton, and picks for Towns. I still like Ayton and it would only ever happen if the Wolves start struggling bad and/or Towns is clearly unhappy, and might also depend on us looking lottery-bound due to injuries (so our pick would be more attractive), but it just seems like a very James "NBA players – not prospects, but NBA players" Jones move. And it would probably also help cleanse the palate of the "we should have taken Doncic" taste. Pretty damn unlikely for this to go down though.
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Post#1635 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:26 am

Walt_Uoob wrote:The move I keep coming back to is Johnson, Ayton, and picks for Towns. I still like Ayton and it would only ever happen if the Wolves start struggling bad and/or Towns is clearly unhappy, and might also depend on us looking lottery-bound due to injuries (so our pick would be more attractive), but it just seems like a very James "NBA players – not prospects, but NBA players" Jones move. And it would probably also help cleanse the palate of the "we should have taken Doncic" taste. Pretty damn unlikely for this to go down though.

Thats going to be a tough sell for them. Even if he was unhappy, they will move heaven and earth and do everything they can to try and make him happy. With him just starting his max deal this season, it's going to have to be really really bad, like I'm not going to play another game for the Wolves bad, for them to even consider a Towns trade
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Post#1636 » by SunsLyf3 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:49 am

bwgood77 wrote:I doubt Aaron Gordon is traded any time soon, particularly with Vucevic now out a month. Now he's off to a bad start, so they could want to trade him, but it's likely just a bad start to the season....however, if, for some reason it wasn't, he doesn't appear to be an upgrade, and shoots 28% from 3. Even his best year was under 35%, where Saric's best year is over 39% and he's just a tad under that this year.

Magic have been horrible with their money and need relief immediately. Currently they have 131 million on the books for this season and 121 mill locked in for next season. On top of that Isaac and Bamba both have upcoming extensions.
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Post#1637 » by sunskerr » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:08 am

And as I posted earlier in this thread, I kinda like the idea of adding Aaron Gordon provided we're not getting ripped off. His price tag shouldn't be high right now, and in our system, if he's the 4th/5th option every night then his points are just going to come off easy buckets. We could get his efficiency up to ~50% and ~14ppg in our system because we play fast and he'll be playing off Rubio and Booker. Good defensive player as well.

Also totally on board with a Towns acquisition. Fits us like a glove, being Book's friend, as well as basketball-wise. He's got a chance to be an all-time great with his shooting. I think we could offer the Wolves the best package for him. That being said, it's a total pipe dream.
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Post#1638 » by Blonde » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:38 am

Thread from the general board is predicting the Spurs are about to trade Derozan and Dejounte Murray. Gordon and Fournier is the rumored return. I kind of like it for both teams but I don’t see why Spurs do that unless they are also moving LMA. Miami could be a potential landing spot for him. Very much doubt we get involved but this is relevant to our discussions.
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Post#1640 » by Qwigglez » Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:52 am

In regards to the fit with a potential Aldridge/Ayton frontcourt, I think a lot of you are thinking Aldridge doesn't spread the floor enough. He does. He takes over 50% of his shots from 10 ft out and actually shoots 31% of his shots from 16ft-3pt. He's pretty automatic from that range shooting 49%, however he is only shooting 42% from 10-16 feet. And LMA was actually shooting 3's while he was with the Blazers in his final season, not many but shooting 1.5 threes a game compared to this season he's shooting 1.6 threes a game.
I didn't realize he was 34 already, for some reason I had him at around 31 years old. I definitely wouldn't trade Bridges or Cam for him after knowing this, and would have my final offer for LMA be Ty Johnson, Saric, and a 1st. I feel this offer is likely more than other teams are willing to offer, perhaps the only other team that I could potentially see wanting him would be the Lakers, and they'd have to give up Kuzma for the Spurs to consider anything from them. The Blazers wouldn't be opposed to a LMA reunion either, but they'd have to give up Simons or Collins, and I feel they let go of Aminu because they thought Collins was going to have a big leap this season. As others have mentioned his contract does expire in 2021, which is also when Oubre's contract expires. We'll have a ton of money to work with that summer to go after other top tier talent in the free agency pool such as Paul George, Kawhi Leonard, Giannis,

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