2022-23 Season Discussion and Review - the Blockbuster trade and playoff downfall

[garrick]

If Coach Bud is available you dont even look back and hire him.

The same criticisms for Monty are the same for Bud, difficult to adjust on the fly and maybe not the best X&Os type of coach but a great motivator.

First off you need talent more than better coaching so I would hope that Ishbia kicks out the complacent JJ and gets someone that is actually puts some effort into drafting and signing value players instead of picking up waived players on a 2 way contract and calling it a day.

Not a good X&O? lol Its literally what made him the hottest coach on the block in Atlanta with all his counters and deep plays.

What happened to him in Milwaukee?

I get that he was getting over his brothers death but Spoelstra ran circles around him not just this season but also in the bubble.

[BobbieL]

The same criticisms for Monty are the same for Bud, difficult to adjust on the fly and maybe not the best X&Os type of coach but a great motivator.

First off you need talent more than better coaching so I would hope that Ishbia kicks out the complacent JJ and gets someone that is actually puts some effort into drafting and signing value players instead of picking up waived players on a 2 way contract and calling it a day.

Not a good X&O? lol Its literally what made him the hottest coach on the block in Atlanta with all his counters and deep plays.

What happened to him in Milwaukee?

I get that he was getting over his brothers death but Spoelstra ran circles around him not just this season but also in the bubble.

Well Spoelstra is a top 3 coach in the nba so he does that to a lot of other coaches

I might have to research Chris Quinn.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Should Suns go after Budenholzer after he was canned today? He’s a prodigy of Greg Popovich and could really shake our team around in the right direction.

i prefer that other prodigy of Pop instead

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You mean Mitch Johnson? He's solid. Chris Quinn is quite a bit better and more experienced overall. Really gets players to buy into their roles. But Johnson is solid too. I still myself really like Serge Scariola. But he'd be awesome as a first assistant to an experienced head coach like Budenholzer! We definitely need a good tactician and a no nonsense coach that can get the most out of whatever personnel he's given!

[bigfoot]

I mean to be fair that was all Giannis, and iirc the sentiment in 2021 around the league at the time (not just fans) was that he would have been fired had they lost earlier.

So it's good to have a memory for these sort of things and not just focus on the most recent thing at a time. This firing was a long time coming. Whether or not that's justified is up for debate, but that's what's going on with the Bucks.

I just don’t recall in 90’s/mid 2000’s coaches being fired a couple years later after leading their team to a title. Maybe it happened I just can’t recall at this moment.

Funny enough Vogel and Nurse got fired as well
Kerr the only one who kept his job

Don't forget that Spolestra has gone 10 years without a championship after riding Lebron's coattails.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[SunsRback4Good]

I just don’t recall in 90’s/mid 2000’s coaches being fired a couple years later after leading their team to a title. Maybe it happened I just can’t recall at this moment.

Funny enough Vogel and Nurse got fired as well
Kerr the only one who kept his job

Don't forget that Spolestra has gone 10 years without a championship after riding Lebron's coattails.

I guess Pat Riley is very fond of Spolstra otherwise he would have been canned a while ago. What Spo has done with their minimal roster is unbelievable. The team underperformed all season long finishing around .500 then Oladipo & Herro both injured in first few games yet still beat the Bucks in 5. Now they are playing great against the Knicks.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[BurningHeart]

Last thing I want is anybody associated with that scumbag Popovich.

[SunsRback4Good]

Last thing I want is anybody associated with that scumbag Popovich.

SunsRback4Good wrote:
Should Suns go after Budenholzer after he was canned today? He’s a prodigy of Greg Popovich and could really shake our team around in the right direction.


spanishninja wrote:
[b]i prefer that other prodigy of Pop instead[/b]

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SunsRback4Good wrote:

The other one is old and likely retire in a few years. Besides majority of Suns fans despise him for constantly denying us a title. Can you imagine if he became our coach there would be an outrage of fans wanting him gone.





That’s what I said on the previous page. Pop denied us titles last thing we need is to bring him here. No Thank you!

Im fine with Bud but not popovich to be clear.

[Slim Charless]

Last thing I want is anybody associated with that scumbag Popovich.

SunsRback4Good wrote:
Should Suns go after Budenholzer after he was canned today? He’s a prodigy of Greg Popovich and could really shake our team around in the right direction.


spanishninja wrote:
[b]i prefer that other prodigy of Pop instead[/b]

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SunsRback4Good wrote:

The other one is old and likely retire in a few years. Besides majority of Suns fans despise him for constantly denying us a title. Can you imagine if he became our coach there would be an outrage of fans wanting him gone.





That’s what I said on the previous page. Pop denied us titles last thing we need is to bring him here. No Thank you!

Im fine with Bud but not popovich to be clear.

Wait, why is Pop scum? What'd he do that I missed?

[SunsRback4Good]

Last thing I want is anybody associated with that scumbag Popovich.

SunsRback4Good wrote:
Should Suns go after Budenholzer after he was canned today? He’s a prodigy of Greg Popovich and could really shake our team around in the right direction.


spanishninja wrote:
[b]i prefer that other prodigy of Pop instead[/b]

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SunsRback4Good wrote:

The other one is old and likely retire in a few years. Besides majority of Suns fans despise him for constantly denying us a title. Can you imagine if he became our coach there would be an outrage of fans wanting him gone.





That’s what I said on the previous page. Pop denied us titles last thing we need is to bring him here. No Thank you!

Im fine with Bud but not popovich to be clear.

Wait, why is Pop scum? What'd he do that I missed?

He’s not a scum I just don’t like him cause he denied our team titles in multiple occasions. Plus he’s old I can’t see him coaching for longer than another few seasons. We need a young vibrant coach who can relate with the players and push them to their limits. Monty obviously is not that coach as you already know that.

[Puff]

This board has gone insane. Fire Monty for anyone on the list of losers that GOK advised were available is plane insane.

Monty wanted Ayton gone and now almost the whole board wants him gone. JJ could not put together a deal with anyone last summer because no other team wanted him. So JJ stuck Ayton up Monty's arse. Monty has tried to make him more effective but it is impossible, if he does not want to try.

JJ is credited with creating possibly the worst roster in the NBA. Other than Booker and KD this roster is awful. Ayton does not try and Paul cannot stay healthy. For that matter both Booker and KD had extended health issues this year and Monty somehow got this mess into the playoffs.

Now everyone wants him to play Ross and Warren. It could get worse not better.

Now we want Bud, who snubbed us prior to Monty and lost in the first round with a loaded roster.

You guys have gone nuts.

Keep Monty fire JJ. Remember he is the one that passed on Haliburton, Bane etc etc etc etc.

At this point the real guy on the spot is Ishbia forcing the deal to get KD. Yeah he can't get fired but he made the decision to leave Monty with virtually no bench and no future.

That genius in Atlanta, Quin Snyder, that some wanted to hire as our coach and was overpaid to coach the Hawks with a loaded roster in Atlanta lost in the first round.

Wake up

[KdoubleDees23]

This board has gone insane. Fire Monty for anyone on the list of losers that GOK advised were available is plane insane.

Monty wanted Ayton gone and now almost the whole board wants him gone. JJ could not put together a deal with anyone last summer because no other team wanted him. So JJ stuck Ayton up Monty's arse. Monty has tried to make him more effective but it is impossible, if he does not want to try.

JJ is credited with creating possibly the worst roster in the NBA. Other than Booker and KD this roster is awful. Ayton does not try and Paul cannot stay healthy. For that matter both Booker and KD had extended health issues this year and Monty somehow got this mess into the playoffs.

Now everyone wants him to play Ross and Warren. It could get worse not better.

Now we want Bud, who snubbed us prior to Monty and lost in the first round with a loaded roster.

You guys have gone nuts.

Keep Monty fire JJ. Remember he is the one that passed on Haliburton, Bane etc etc etc etc.

At this point the real guy on the spot is Ishbia forcing the deal to get KD. Yeah he can't get fired but he made the decision to leave Monty with virtually no bench and no future.

That genius in Atlanta, Quin Snyder, that some wanted to hire as our coach and was overpaid to coach the Hawks with a loaded roster in Atlanta lost in the first round.

Wake up

What has Hailburton or Bane done to prove they can lead a contender? Nothing. Bane is trash. Dude is overrated by this board.

Also, yes we should play ross ! Why wouldn't he try new things as his bench unit right now isn't producing anything.

[KdoubleDees23]

This board has gone insane. Fire Monty for anyone on the list of losers that GOK advised were available is plane insane.

Monty wanted Ayton gone and now almost the whole board wants him gone. JJ could not put together a deal with anyone last summer because no other team wanted him. So JJ stuck Ayton up Monty's arse. Monty has tried to make him more effective but it is impossible, if he does not want to try.

JJ is credited with creating possibly the worst roster in the NBA. Other than Booker and KD this roster is awful. Ayton does not try and Paul cannot stay healthy. For that matter both Booker and KD had extended health issues this year and Monty somehow got this mess into the playoffs.

Now everyone wants him to play Ross and Warren. It could get worse not better.

Now we want Bud, who snubbed us prior to Monty and lost in the first round with a loaded roster.

You guys have gone nuts.

Keep Monty fire JJ. Remember he is the one that passed on Haliburton, Bane etc etc etc etc.

At this point the real guy on the spot is Ishbia forcing the deal to get KD. Yeah he can't get fired but he made the decision to leave Monty with virtually no bench and no future.

That genius in Atlanta, Quin Snyder, that some wanted to hire as our coach and was overpaid to coach the Hawks with a loaded roster in Atlanta lost in the first round.

Wake up

What has Hailburton or Bane done to prove they can lead a contender? Nothing. Bane is trash. Dude is overrated by this board.

Also, yes we should play ross ! Why wouldn't he try new things as his bench unit right now isn't producing anything.

[SunsRback4Good]

This board has gone insane. Fire Monty for anyone on the list of losers that GOK advised were available is plane insane.

Monty wanted Ayton gone and now almost the whole board wants him gone. JJ could not put together a deal with anyone last summer because no other team wanted him. So JJ stuck Ayton up Monty's arse. Monty has tried to make him more effective but it is impossible, if he does not want to try.

JJ is credited with creating possibly the worst roster in the NBA. Other than Booker and KD this roster is awful. Ayton does not try and Paul cannot stay healthy. For that matter both Booker and KD had extended health issues this year and Monty somehow got this mess into the playoffs.

Now everyone wants him to play Ross and Warren. It could get worse not better.

Now we want Bud, who snubbed us prior to Monty and lost in the first round with a loaded roster.

You guys have gone nuts.

Keep Monty fire JJ. Remember he is the one that passed on Haliburton, Bane etc etc etc etc.

At this point the real guy on the spot is Ishbia forcing the deal to get KD. Yeah he can't get fired but he made the decision to leave Monty with virtually no bench and no future.

That genius in Atlanta, Quin Snyder, that some wanted to hire as our coach and was overpaid to coach the Hawks with a loaded roster in Atlanta lost in the first round.

Wake up

What has Hailburton or Bane done to prove they can lead a contender? Nothing. Bane is trash. Dude is overrated by this board.

Also, yes we should play ross ! Why wouldn't he try new things as his bench unit right now isn't producing anything.

[SunsRback4Good]

This board has gone insane. Fire Monty for anyone on the list of losers that GOK advised were available is plane insane.

Monty wanted Ayton gone and now almost the whole board wants him gone. JJ could not put together a deal with anyone last summer because no other team wanted him. So JJ stuck Ayton up Monty's arse. Monty has tried to make him more effective but it is impossible, if he does not want to try.

JJ is credited with creating possibly the worst roster in the NBA. Other than Booker and KD this roster is awful. Ayton does not try and Paul cannot stay healthy. For that matter both Booker and KD had extended health issues this year and Monty somehow got this mess into the playoffs.

Now everyone wants him to play Ross and Warren. It could get worse not better.

Now we want Bud, who snubbed us prior to Monty and lost in the first round with a loaded roster.

You guys have gone nuts.

Keep Monty fire JJ. Remember he is the one that passed on Haliburton, Bane etc etc etc etc.

At this point the real guy on the spot is Ishbia forcing the deal to get KD. Yeah he can't get fired but he made the decision to leave Monty with virtually no bench and no future.

That genius in Atlanta, Quin Snyder, that some wanted to hire as our coach and was overpaid to coach the Hawks with a loaded roster in Atlanta lost in the first round.

Wake up

What has Hailburton or Bane done to prove they can lead a contender? Nothing. Bane is trash. Dude is overrated by this board.

Also, yes we should play ross ! Why wouldn't he try new things as his bench unit right now isn't producing anything.

[kennydorglas]

The same criticisms for Monty are the same for Bud, difficult to adjust on the fly and maybe not the best X&Os type of coach but a great motivator.

First off you need talent more than better coaching so I would hope that Ishbia kicks out the complacent JJ and gets someone that is actually puts some effort into drafting and signing value players instead of picking up waived players on a 2 way contract and calling it a day.

Not a good X&O? lol Its literally what made him the hottest coach on the block in Atlanta with all his counters and deep plays.

What happened to him in Milwaukee?

I get that he was getting over his brothers death but Spoelstra ran circles around him not just this season but also in the bubble.

Well Spo is probably the best coach in the league

[BobbieL]

Not a good X&O? lol Its literally what made him the hottest coach on the block in Atlanta with all his counters and deep plays.

What happened to him in Milwaukee?

I get that he was getting over his brothers death but Spoelstra ran circles around him not just this season but also in the bubble.

Well Spo is probably the best coach in the league

I said earlier in this thread he was top 3 - but now that you mention it - he is probably the best coach in the league. I get why he wasn't named coach of the Olympic team but he should have been.

As for the Suns - if they lose
Its fine if Monty goes - but I think Ayton, Payne and Shamet need to go first.

[SunsRback4Good]

Not a good X&O? lol Its literally what made him the hottest coach on the block in Atlanta with all his counters and deep plays.

What happened to him in Milwaukee?

I get that he was getting over his brothers death but Spoelstra ran circles around him not just this season but also in the bubble.

Well Spo is probably the best coach in the league

What makes Spo such a great coach? He doesn’t have firepower like those years with Lebron but lately just has one all star in Jimmy Butler with a bunch of role players. I still can’t believe they reached the finals back in 2020. I mean at least Suns had Booker, CP3, Ayton while Heat had jimmy.

[BobbieL]

So this was on twitter so basically it rules out Irving for Ayton as that would be three max players. And that means no buyout market, no MLE or even TPMLE

If the Suns knew about this and still made the Durant trade - pretty stupid. Granted, I think the CBA was agreed too post Durant trade because the Suns used the rules to get the trade done

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So all those trades yesterday of Irving for Ayton, pretty much can't happen. It will be Ayton for Nurkic or maybe Ayton to the Pistons. Something like that.

Paul probably will get a nice retirement and bought out for 15.8m and stretched I would think. What really sucks is the Suns, this is there first year really in the lux tax are being penalized the same as the Clippers and Warriors - who have been multiple year lux tax payers. That is wrong. If the Suns max is 4x penalty, the Warriors should be at 7 or 8x by now.