The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1

[Sunsdeuce]

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What a bunch of **** Booker simps.

Booker has not done enough for this ownership and front office to put all their eggs in one basket.

Pathetic.

Bingo. Booker has and always be a fringe all-Star role player. Booker has never and will never have the Barkley/ Nash impact on the team and league. Pisses me off the way this FO simps over Booker who hasn’t been able to carry a team ever and literally just a stat stuffer.

I went from really liking Booker to despising him because of Bookers ego has inflated so big because Sarver and Ishbia have overpaid and overvalued him and his abilities. Bookers attitude in everything is just gross now. It’s never Bookers fault when things go bad. It’s always someone else. Since that all-star comment Booker made about how he is mad at the NBa for not selecting him was the most pathetic thing I have witnessed from him and lost all respect for him. Plus he is rarely involved in the valley unless it’s for some type of publicity stunt or for his personal hobbies. I’m just done with him and his stupid headband.

[dremill24]

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What a bunch of **** Booker simps.

Booker has not done enough for this ownership and front office to put all their eggs in one basket.

Pathetic.

Bingo. Booker has and always be a fringe all-Star role player. Booker has never and will never have the Barkley/ Nash impact on the team and league. Pisses me off the way this FO simps over Booker who hasn’t been able to carry a team ever and literally just a stat stuffer.

I went from really liking Booker to despising him because of Bookers ego has inflated so big because Sarver and Ishbia have overpaid and overvalued him and his abilities. Bookers attitude in everything is just gross now. It’s never Bookers fault when things go bad. It’s always someone else. Since that all-star comment Booker made about how he is mad at the NBa for not selecting him was the most pathetic thing I have witnessed from him and lost all respect for him. Plus he is rarely involved in the valley unless it’s for some type of publicity stunt or for his personal hobbies. I’m just done with him and his stupid headband.

I dunno why but this part just made me laugh

[WeekapaugGroove]

What y'all, hope you've all been well.

Safe to say the past couple seasons have been a tire fire. Big off-season, it's the Suns so I'm sure they'll make all the right decisions and live happily ever after. Lol


Hat tip to the old school homies.


How did my old dynastyfantasy team do? It was the one with Giannis

[Bogyo]

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What a bunch of **** Booker simps.

Booker has not done enough for this ownership and front office to put all their eggs in one basket.

Pathetic.

Agreed! Booker as a first option looks completely lost on the court. He needs an alpha like CP3 or Jimmy to push his buttons and get him playing at a high level. The sooner we trade Booker the better our team will be.

After the GSW win I was just seriously gonna ask this: do you guys think that if we traded KD for Jimmy (and Kuminga and a pick or 2) that he would mesh with Booker and his lazy attitude? I think he would chew him out like he did with his buddy KAT in Minny... It would not be pretty

+1: a big resounding YES to the FVV+Smith+picks+(fillers?) trade, and I hate FVV. But just do anything semi-competent looking to get KD away from this team. I never liked him and his tenure here just made me hate his guts.

[Saberestar]

https://youtu.be/UzvXQNbaXBo?si=KjMQbebjECHlh-c1

PHOENIX SUNS Brian Gregory Full Introductory Press Conference ( 37 minutes).

I have seen the full press conference and I can guarantee you that I love every word that he said in the last 10 minutes.

He was very clear about what we want to address and how to do it.

He understands that basketball has changed in the last couple of years and now teams with offensive rebounding and physicality are having an advantage but he knows that it will changed again in the very next future and he wants a new HC that can anticipate the new direction of NBA basketball and work on that.

Top attributes he is looking for in the new HC?1.Alignment and a proven belief system.
2.Great at personal relationships with the players.
3.High Basketball IQ to anticipate the new trends of the league.

An interesting note...he said that he had a dinner with Beal talking about summer plans.

All in all I think he looks an honest guy who can really be a different maker as a GM for his extensive coaching experience.

[Rebound Mound]

Main ideas:
"I am here in a great part because of my relationship with Ishbia"
"This roster is good. Far better than a 30some win roster"

Let's hope he has other tricks up his sleeves...

[Calvin Klein]

https://youtu.be/UzvXQNbaXBo?si=KjMQbebjECHlh-c1

PHOENIX SUNS Brian Gregory Full Introductory Press Conference ( 37 minutes).

I have seen the full press conference and I can guarantee you that I love every word that he said in the last 10 minutes.

He was very clear about what we want to address and how to do it.

He understands that basketball has changed in the last couple of years and now teams with offensive rebounding and physicality are having an advantage but he knows that it will changed again in the very next future and he wants a new HC that can anticipate the new direction of NBA basketball and work on that.

Top attributes he is looking for in the new HC?1.Alignment and a proven belief system.
2.Great at personal relationships with the players.
3.High Basketball IQ to anticipate the new trends of the league.

An interesting note...he said that he had a dinner with Beal talking about summer plans.

All in all I think he looks an honest guy who can really be a different maker as a GM for his extensive coaching experience.

Come on man. This is someone just winding us up good job though

[handsome salary]

3.High Basketball IQ to anticipate the new trends of the league.

Anticipating trends? More overreactions and dumb moves coming to show how "smart" they are and playing the other teams. It's gonna be sad watching them run around like chickens with both "WIN NOW" and "build for the future" goalposts.

Why don't you just build a team with the right players, coach and flexibility so other teams have to react to you.

[BobbieL]

https://youtu.be/UzvXQNbaXBo?si=KjMQbebjECHlh-c1

PHOENIX SUNS Brian Gregory Full Introductory Press Conference ( 37 minutes).

I have seen the full press conference and I can guarantee you that I love every word that he said in the last 10 minutes.

He was very clear about what we want to address and how to do it.

He understands that basketball has changed in the last couple of years and now teams with offensive rebounding and physicality are having an advantage but he knows that it will changed again in the very next future and he wants a new HC that can anticipate the new direction of NBA basketball and work on that.

Top attributes he is looking for in the new HC?1.Alignment and a proven belief system.
2.Great at personal relationships with the players.
3.High Basketball IQ to anticipate the new trends of the league.

An interesting note...he said that he had a dinner with Beal talking about summer plans.

All in all I think he looks an honest guy who can really be a different maker as a GM for his extensive coaching experience.

Proof will be with how they handle Beal and Durant
Are they looking this as only about this season or maybe next season? Or are they thinking bigger picture and understanding this is a 2-3 year thing

And more so than Durant, its Beal. All this talk of getting Beal to agree to a $30m reduction so they can buy him out and stretch him for $16m per year for 5 years to get under an apron level to be eligible for the MLE and under apron levels.

But to me - I would rather take these two years to get by with Beal, try to move Allen and O'Neale for expirings so that in 2027 you have a boatload of cap space

I think you can improve the roster more if you have $70M of cap space compared to being able to sign a guy with the MLE compared to the MLE and a veteran minimum contract.

But my guess, Ishbia will do the short term move without thinking of future consequences - maybe he is truly Veruca Salt

[BobbieL]

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What a bunch of **** Booker simps.

Booker has not done enough for this ownership and front office to put all their eggs in one basket.

Pathetic.

Bingo. Booker has and always be a fringe all-Star role player. Booker has never and will never have the Barkley/ Nash impact on the team and league. Pisses me off the way this FO simps over Booker who hasn’t been able to carry a team ever and literally just a stat stuffer.

I went from really liking Booker to despising him because of Bookers ego has inflated so big because Sarver and Ishbia have overpaid and overvalued him and his abilities. Bookers attitude in everything is just gross now. It’s never Bookers fault when things go bad. It’s always someone else. Since that all-star comment Booker made about how he is mad at the NBa for not selecting him was the most pathetic thing I have witnessed from him and lost all respect for him. Plus he is rarely involved in the valley unless it’s for some type of publicity stunt or for his personal hobbies. I’m just done with him and his stupid headband.

I don't think Durant has been good for Booker --
But the bigger point is - -Booker hasn't done enough to not be open to being traded
and its just not the FO - there are plenty of Booker stans in the media and on twitter that the Suns HAVE to have DBook. They mention he wants to be here.

He WANTS the two year extension for 150m added to the 170/3 -- that is what he truly wants. Which is fine, its a business

[KdoubleDees23]

What we are going to realize, is that old man KD won't fetch us much. Its a lose lose

[handsome salary]

Build around Book is sad. There’s not one Western conference team that’s afraid of a Book led team. Most are salivating at that being the case. It puts a bounce in their step.

[BobbieL]

What we are going to realize, is that old man KD won't fetch us much. Its a lose lose

Expirings, one good young player, one FRP and maybe another FRP that has protections
Thats it

FVV, Smith and a 2025 FRP for Durant
Dump O'Neale and Allen for expirings -- you will have oodles of cap space in a couple years
if you want to extend FVV one year, you probably can to coincide with Beal expiring

[Biff]

Ishbia hires his buddy to be the new GM, not a good look. Never would have thought this franchise would get even worse after Sarver.

[BobbieL]

Ishbia hires his buddy to be the new GM, not a good look. Never would have thought this franchise would get even worse after Sarver.

Only the Suns can go from an owner like Colangelo to Sarver to a worse version of Sarver. Why not somebody like Jeffrey Lurie with the Eagles who hires good people and let them do their jobs or the owner of the Spurs, hire good people and let them do their jobs.

Jeez - maybe the fans need to vet the candidates

[thamadkant]

Key difference I see right away ... Gregory is a coach's GM and Jones was a player's GM. Under Jones, did the players hold power over the coaches or vice versa. Did Jones castrate Vogel and Bud and Monty by allowing star players too much latitude? I can understand defining and establishing identity and values of the Suns. Owner, GM, coach should expect players to live by and execute identity and those values. Otherwise you're not playing regardless of your salary.

What makes Jones special as a player's GM? How does he compare to other GMs who have assembled teams that continue to be good teams for over a decade or even over 5 seasons.... because Jones as far as I can tell lucked out with CP3 wanting to be a Sun back in 2019. Jones also did good by building good culture with Mikal, Ayton, Cam Johnson, Crowder and CP3... but he proved that he also couldn't influence his boss to trust him.

But ultimately, KD and Booker wanting to reshape the team around them and Ishiba enabling it is the problem and Jones likely is still a Suns employee because he allows Ishiba to make all decisions.

[King4Day]

I fear Gregory is going to get schooled in trades. Ishbia already has been getting schooled.
Front offices will froth at the mouth at a chance to make half assed trade offers.

Gregory sounds like he'll say, "gee that sounds like a really good deal...Let me run it by the boss".

If he botches this summer, I may not pay much attention next season. I am fortunately enough to get league pass for free but if that changes, I'm probably not paying for it until I see something that isn't embarrassing on the court and something that gives me hope.

[BobbieL]

I fear Gregory is going to get schooled in trades. Ishbia already has been getting schooled.
Front offices will froth at the mouth at a chance to make half assed trade offers.

Gregory sounds like he'll say, "gee that sounds like a really good deal...Let me run it by the boss".

If he botches this summer, I may not pay much attention next season. I am fortunately enough to get league pass for free but if that changes, I'm probably not paying for it until I see something that isn't embarrassing on the court and something that gives me hope.

Ainge is licking his chops
The Bobby PIncus trade that BWG posted a variation of a week ago
Something like that.. where Ainge gets Ishbia to give away a draft pick as part of the deal

[mkot]

I would understand hiring a college coach if we have load of picks and are clearly rebuilding through the draft. We need a GM with real management experience in the pro level, not someone who only got a job in a NBA front office last year when his former player became the new owner.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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