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Re: Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continu 

Post#1641 » by bwgood77 » Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:37 pm

Zach Lowe's thoughts..

But he is a risk worth taking — more so than Parsons, Hayward, Stephenson, or Greg Monroe. Bledsoe could be something special, and teams that don’t get meetings with every superstar free agent have to take chances on guys with that kind of potential.


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Re: Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continu 

Post#1642 » by LukasBMW » Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:38 pm

And unless something crazy happens, I think the Suns roll into the season "as is". Management wants to see how Markieff, Miles, and Alex perform.

There are no quality big men openly on the trading block at the moment, so I don't see us making a move now.

But as the season progresses, perhaps the right opportunity will come up to ship some of our future picks (Laker pick, Minnesota pick, our own picks) and young talent (Archie, Warren, Ennis, Plumlee, Len) for a big guy if management thinks our players can't cut it.
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Re: Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continu 

Post#1643 » by Sun Scorched » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:15 pm

LukasBMW wrote:And unless something crazy happens, I think the Suns roll into the season "as is". Management wants to see how Markieff, Miles, and Alex perform.

There are no quality big men openly on the trading block at the moment, so I don't see us making a move now.

But as the season progresses, perhaps the right opportunity will come up to ship some of our future picks (Laker pick, Minnesota pick, our own picks) and young talent (Archie, Warren, Ennis, Plumlee, Len) for a big guy if management thinks our players can't cut it.


Agreed with this and your post re: Jamil.

McD has been here before. Give your roster a chance - if it isn't working come trade deadline, mix it up. Lord knows we have enough assets. My guess is that we're in a similar or slightly better spot than we were last year, come deadline and that there may be a few teams looking to go the rebuild route. We can jump on a savvy low post vet then, if at all.

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Re: Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continu 

Post#1644 » by aIvin adams » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:17 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Zach Lowe's thoughts..

But he is a risk worth taking — more so than Parsons, Hayward, Stephenson, or Greg Monroe. Bledsoe could be something special, and teams that don’t get meetings with every superstar free agent have to take chances on guys with that kind of potential.


http://grantland.com/the-triangle/eric- ... enix-suns/



Lowe likes it. IT'S OFFICIAL!!

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Post#1645 » by aIvin adams » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:21 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Zach Lowe's thoughts..

But he is a risk worth taking — more so than Parsons, Hayward, Stephenson, or Greg Monroe. Bledsoe could be something special, and teams that don’t get meetings with every superstar free agent have to take chances on guys with that kind of potential.


http://grantland.com/the-triangle/eric- ... enix-suns/


That double would seem to be a defeat for Phoenix, and the deal is an emphatic win for Bledsoe and his agent, Rich Paul. Bledsoe is now the league’s sixth-highest-paid point guard, despite just one season as a full-time starter, two knee surgeries, and never having logged even 2,000 minutes in any season. That is something, even if Bledsoe will have to sit out giant cap increases expected in 2017 and 2018.

Going the full five years is a risk given that Bledsoe has undergone two surgeries on the meniscus cartilage that cushions his right knee, including a midseason operation last year in which doctors removed a portion of that cartilage. But Phoenix has the league’s most respected and perhaps most innovative training staff, and they know Bledsoe’s medical history and future prognosis better than anyone. Remember: As ESPN’s Kevin Pelton pointed out, this is the same Phoenix team that took a hard line — correctly, as it turned out — on Amar’e Stoudemire over concerns about his knees.

The reward is having secured Bledsoe for all of his prime seasons, and not just a two-year prime blip before he heads into his thirties. He’ll still hit free agency again around age 29, but he may not be a Sun by then, and even if he is, Phoenix will be able to negotiate knowing it at least had a prolonged experience with prime Eric Bledsoe.


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Post#1646 » by aIvin adams » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:24 pm

It’s not a coincidence Bledsoe’s deal is almost exactly the sum of the qualifying offer and the four-year max he could have snagged this July.


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Post#1647 » by JDLAW » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:48 pm

aIvin adams wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Zach Lowe's thoughts..

But he is a risk worth taking — more so than Parsons, Hayward, Stephenson, or Greg Monroe. Bledsoe could be something special, and teams that don’t get meetings with every superstar free agent have to take chances on guys with that kind of potential.


http://grantland.com/the-triangle/eric- ... enix-suns/



Lowe likes it. IT'S OFFICIAL!!

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Who cares what he likes or doesn't. The Suns don't need or want his validation for what they do. It is just another silly blog by him because he thinks he thinks his opinions matter.

By the way where are all of the talking heads out there who thought the relationship is over between Bledsoe and the Suns. Are they coming out to say they whiffed again on their predictions?
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Post#1648 » by JMac1 » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:55 pm

Sun Scorched wrote:I disagree with anyone who is not a Suns fan that insinuates Dragic/Bledsoe/Thomas can't work - I think it will work beautifully. But I still think that Bledsoe would be the first traded of those three.


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Post#1649 » by aIvin adams » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:56 pm

JDLAW wrote:
Who cares what he likes or doesn't. The Suns don't need or want his validation for what they do. It is just another silly blog by him because he thinks he thinks his opinions matter.


take it easy Esquire. some of us respect Zach Lowe and think his opinions are relevant because his analysis is accurate.

also it was tongue-in-cheek - i was making fun of him for the same reason you are critical of him.
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Post#1650 » by drewsprocket » Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:24 pm

Barring any major injury I think we have a shot at the 2nd Round in the playoffs. We're a good defensive team when healthy who gives up 2nd chance points and points in the paint against bigger teams.
In terms of my west coast rankings I think it still goes.
1 Spurs
2 Portland
3 OKC
4 LAC
5 Phx
6 GSW
7 Mem
8 Dal
Wild Card team NO Pelicans
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Post#1651 » by JDLAW » Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:29 pm

aIvin adams wrote:
JDLAW wrote:
Who cares what he likes or doesn't. The Suns don't need or want his validation for what they do. It is just another silly blog by him because he thinks he thinks his opinions matter.


take it easy Esquire. some of us respect Zach Lowe and think his opinions are relevant because his analysis is accurate.

also it was tongue-in-cheek - i was making fun of him for the same reason you are critical of him.



I am expressing my opinion - I do not like any of the talking heads - never have and likely never will.
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Re: Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continu 

Post#1652 » by bwgood77 » Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:31 pm

drewsprocket wrote:Barring any major injury I think we have a shot at the 2nd Round in the playoffs. We're a good defensive team when healthy who gives up 2nd chance points and points in the paint against bigger teams.
In terms of my west coast rankings I think it still goes.
1 Spurs
2 Portland
3 OKC
4 LAC
5 Phx
6 GSW
7 Mem
8 Dal
Wild Card team NO Pelicans


Portland 2nd?

I'd have to bet something more like

1. OKC (missed westbrook for awhile last year and still nearly had best record)
2. SA
3. MEM
4. LAC
5. DAL
6. PHX
7. POR
8. GS

Houston barely misses, and New Orleans fairly close.
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Post#1653 » by BurningHeart » Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:44 pm

I want hyperversatility. That should be the motto of the team. Bombard each opponent with mismatches and speed and athleticism and shooting,

Still think we could use one or two dedicated three-point gunners though. I would do anything for a prime Pike.
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Post#1654 » by DirtyDez » Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:45 pm

Suns are going wing-heavy like the Spurs and could have some crazy depth. We still need that borderline-elite big man though to be true contenders. I think Markieff's efficiency will drop due to his minutes increasing and no other bigs can score consistently. Len needs to take a significant leap this year because Plumlee is close to his ceiling. Nothing against him he's still a lot better then we thought when the Scola trade happened.

With the financial commitment they made with Bledsoe and likely Dragic/Morri first-round exits should not be acceptable.
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Post#1655 » by aIvin adams » Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:59 pm

DirtyDez wrote:Suns are going wing-heavy like the Spurs and could have some crazy depth. We still need that borderline-elite big man though to be true contenders. I think Markieff's efficiency will drop due to his minutes increasing and no other bigs can score consistently. Len needs to take a significant leap this year because Plumlee is close to his ceiling. Nothing against him he's still a lot better then we thought when the Scola trade happened.

With the financial commitment they made with Bledsoe and likely Dragic/Morri first-round exits should not be acceptable.


ia gree with this entire post except maybe the last part, at least for next year. if the Suns can make the POs next year i'll be very happy with their performance, even if they lose first round. it's gonna be another rough year in the western conference.
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Re: Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continu 

Post#1656 » by SunsFanSSOL » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:07 pm

Most interesting quotes from Lowe:

And by the way: Some team was giving Bledsoe a four-year max deal this summer, which would have netted him something around $66 million — and possibly $70 million if the cap rises higher than the league’s current projection. The Suns are getting him for an additional year at the same total price tag.


But Bledsoe coming off a healthy season would have been at the head of the July point guard class, and by thriving next to Dragic, he has broadened his market beyond just the teams with obvious holes at point guard. One of those obvious teams — Milwaukee, Detroit (sorry, Brandons), or the Lakers — would have done the deed, and if none of them had, a more creative team would have sprinted into the breach.


Looks like he did have a max market waiting for him.
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Post#1657 » by ShawnBronald » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:35 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/515237276260265985[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DaveKingNBA/status/515240456402505728[/tweet]
:lol: I was thinking the same thing. The Suns need to make this official before he's making more than Bledsoe.
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Post#1658 » by SideSwipe » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:00 pm

Solidifying this rotation means that the SUN will move from rebuilding into not quite win-now mode, but will be pretty quickly. They are not very far away. They need greatness at one more position, then they can let their depth take care of the rest.

Looking at rotations, I think we may find some time for Warren at the 4 spot this year as well. I think Tolliver may be at the end of the bench.

There are a lot of fun rotations, but it might be interesting to watch Bledsoe/ Dragic/ Green/ Warren/ Kieff. That lineup would give defenses fits. If Len and Plumlee look like they are still going to be working it out, it might be good to go out and grab Okafor.

A great minor move might be to target Kyle O'quinn. PHX needs shot blocking, and he is one of the top per36 shotblockers around. Better than some other names out there. He has shown some nice flashes and is not a dirt contract in ORL. Not sure what would entice ORL, though. If that couldn't be worked out, I would still look at getting Henson from MIL with Ennis and Goodwin, maybe. Not as solid defensively as Okafor, but a decent rebounder and shot-blocker.

Maybe if we get Okafor, we can get Jahlil next June too, to keep the family thing going.
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Post#1659 » by SideSwipe » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:02 pm

ShawnBronald wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/515237276260265985[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DaveKingNBA/status/515240456402505728[/tweet]
:lol: I was thinking the same thing. The Suns need to make this official before he's making more than Bledsoe.



This could be the total of the contract plus the buyout amount offered by the Suns. $3.5 mil plus $500-$600k buyout allowance.
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Re: Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continu 

Post#1660 » by toucansma » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:04 pm

ShawnBronald wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/515237276260265985[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DaveKingNBA/status/515240456402505728[/tweet]
:lol: I was thinking the same thing. The Suns need to make this official before he's making more than Bledsoe.



I hate to say it but I think its still tied in with Goran. Goran is allegedly paying the buyout so there may be some payback agreement between Zoran and Goran. Who knows.

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