2016 Draft

Post #1641 » by **rsavaj** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 7:41 pm

<3 Luwawu

saintEscaton · Post #1642 » by **saintEscaton** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 8:07 pm

I think OG Anunoby is leaning towards declaring, he got inconsistent minutes as a freshman and Farrell/ Bryant(most likely) are leaving so Indiana has to start over from scratch. He should be a lock for the lotto, we should be all over a shutdown defender who can guard positions 1-5 with a ungodly wingpsan of 7'6 (8 inches more than his height!). Right now he's offensively raw, needs to convert more at the line and cut down the turnovers, also needs to quicken his release and gather to get his shot off when contested. But he can already knock down open threes and has a soft touch around the basket

Good read
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball-news/4699719-og-anunoby-nba-draft-scouting-report-kawhi-leonard-jimmy-butler

Post #1643 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 8:21 pm

saintEscaton wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:
But he is 5'9"-5'10". I don't see how he'll be all that good in the NBA. Maybe a TJ Ford type guy. I mean, he doesn't have the athleticisim of Nate Robinson and other tiny guys in the NBA, and he is going to struggle big time guarding today's 1s, who are almost all combo guards who score easily and have explosiveness. I know I'd be pissed if Phx took him that high. Hopefully somebody does though. Just means more talent for our later picks.

I assume you are talking about Ulis and not Girls who is discussed in the post you quote
..no way we take Ulis.

We were discussing girls?

I don't know how the hell my phone turned "Hield" into "Girls". HIeld!

Post #1644 » by **rsavaj** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 8:56 pm

Honestly torn between Ingram and Simmons, but at the end of the day, I think it's easier to teach Simmons how to shoot than it is to teach Ingram how to do a lot of other stuff

SkinnyOMiller · Post #1645 » by **SkinnyOMiller** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 9:14 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:Ulis at 14? Dayum. And neither Sabonis nor B Johnson in the lotto. Korkmaz has the talent to be selected 12, but that sure is a lot of shooting guards for one squad.

I'd rather have Sabonis or Jackson with the Washington pick. Sabonis might not ever be anything special but he's mentally tough, plays with that junkyard dog mindset and has a high basketball IQ. The number he did on Poetl was beautiful. He is a guy that you know will bring it every night and will simply outwork guys.

Jackson I think gives you more of a pure PG, a guy who can shoot it decently, with good court awareness and speed to fly up and down the court.

sunshoopjunky · Post #1646 » by **sunshoopjunky** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 9:18 pm

Sabonis then Skal. But that depends on what we do with the first pick.

SkinnyOMiller · Post #1647 » by **SkinnyOMiller** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 9:20 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:That would be a disaster. Unworthy consolation prize for this abomination of a season

The problem is few guys seem worthy. I know you two are high on Brown, and AtheJ on Dunn, but that isn't what we need. The simple draft is we once again had an abomination of a season in what is likely to be a very bad draft....at least in the short run.

Drafting Dunn to me is pretty much drafting a taller version of Bledsoe. Tremendous defender, very physical, well-built guard, powerful, can attack the basket with reckless abandon, iffy basketball IQ, can be a turnover machine at times, questionable from the outside...meh.

I think if the Suns wind up at 3, Bender is the guy that makes the most sense if he checks out. Yet another year that the Suns get a top pick in a draft that is basically a crapshoot at the top.

If McDonough found a way to add Bender, Sabonis and Jackson to the roster I'd be absolutely psyched. All high basketball IQ guys, all guys with good court vision that can pass the ball well. Its likely that the Suns don't use 3 picks or draft a guy to stash away but to me those three would represent a nice upgrade for the roster.

C-Len
PF-Bender
SF-Warren
SG-Booker
PG-Bledsoe

Bench
C-Chandler
PF-Sabonis
PF-Teletovic
SF-Tucker
SG-Knight
PG-Jackson
SG-Goodwin

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1648 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 9:46 pm

Bender wouldn't start for at least two years. Heck, he'd barely play the first. Another guy we'd have to be patient with.

Saberestar · Post #1649 » by **Saberestar** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 10:15 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:Bender wouldn't start for at least two years. Heck, he'd barely play the first. Another guy we'd have to be patient with.

Each player is different. We have had a good example with Booker this season.

Everyone (included me) thought that Booker was at least one year away to contribute on our roster. He has been amazing since the beginning of the season.

Bender can be like Booker or Porzingis in that regard, we don't know.

Post #1650 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 10:18 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:Bender wouldn't start for at least two years. Heck, he'd barely play the first. Another guy we'd have to be patient with.

That's fine. If we got Sabonis too or just signed someone in FA we can go young at that position, get another high pick next year in a super solid draft and do well. But since it is a super solid draft we will be a fringe playoff team that barely misses.

Post #1651 » by **ATTL** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 10:18 pm

http://www.fibaeurope.com/compID_8aYeHlfuGF-mF5IqO8aFH1.season_2014.roundID_10067.gameID_10069-B-4-2.html

Was posted on the draft board. I know head to heads should be taken with a grain of salt but I think Bender is on a level above sabonis as a prospect.

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MrTwister · Post #1652 » by **MrTwister** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 10:37 pm

ATTL wrote:http://www.fibaeurope.com/compID_8aYeHlfuGF-mF5IqO8aFH1.season_2014.roundID_10067.gameID_10069-B-4-2.html

Was posted on the draft board. I know head to heads should be taken with a grain of salt but I think Bender is on a level above sabonis as a prospect.

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Bender was also 16 during that tournament playing against kids like Sabonis which had 18.People often forget he is currently same age as some high school seniors playing against grown men.He'll turn 19 few weeks into next season.

Saberestar · Post #1653 » by **Saberestar** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 11:26 pm

Interesting analysis here...

The Vertical comp: How Brandon Ingram stacks up against Kevin Durant

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/vertical-comp--k-d--and-brandon-ingram-153255100.html

SkinnyOMiller · Post #1654 » by **SkinnyOMiller** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 11:52 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:Bender wouldn't start for at least two years. Heck, he'd barely play the first. Another guy we'd have to be patient with.

That is variable depending on the player Likely Bender would be pretty raw, which is why you could have Sabonis start until he is ready. There's no super homerun players at the top of this draft, even the top two guys have questions about them. In a draft like this, there aren't many great options early.

Bender is a project but your other options are guys like Dunn if you believe that this team has a shortage of turnover prone combo guards with a propensity for taking bad shots.

jcsunsfan · Post #1655 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 11:55 pm

Saberestar wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:Bender wouldn't start for at least two years. Heck, he'd barely play the first. Another guy we'd have to be patient with.

Each player is different. We have had a good example with Booker this season.

Everyone (included me) thought that Booker was at least one year away to contribute on our roster. He has been amazing since the beginning of the season.

Bender can be like Booker or Porzingis in that regard, we don't know.

We might still be saying that about Booker had Bledsoe and Knight not been injured. I think teams wait too long to develop their young talent.

AtheJ415 · Post #1656 » by **AtheJ415** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 11:56 pm

Saberestar wrote:Ulis can be a good option for us to be our backup PG.

With Price gone and Knight hopefully traded or at least playing only SG minutes (he can not play PG at all) we are going to need a good backup for Bledsoe.

I really like Ulis, great passer and can score the ball even with his size.

We don't need him imo. We could sign a sure thing at the vet minimum if needed or else take a chance on a guy with more upside like Malik Newman, or Gary Payton II in the 2nd round. Both have much better size and athleticism. I just can't see a scenario where Ullis can guard people at the NBA level. Our 2nd unit should have enough scorers that they don't need a playmaking backup PG imo. We could also stagger minutes to keep one of Booker and Bledsoe in the game at all times. Bogdan can create a bit too, as can Warren (though I hope he's starting next year).

MathiasPW · Post #1657 » by **MathiasPW** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 11:57 pm

Saberestar wrote:Interesting analysis here...
The Vertical comp: How Brandon Ingram stacks up against Kevin Durant

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/vertical-comp--k-d--and-brandon-ingram-153255100.html

Heavy drooling

jcsunsfan · Post #1658 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 11:58 pm

ATTL wrote:http://www.fibaeurope.com/compID_8aYeHlfuGF-mF5IqO8aFH1.season_2014.roundID_10067.gameID_10069-B-4-2.html

Was posted on the draft board. I know head to heads should be taken with a grain of salt but I think Bender is on a level above sabonis as a prospect.

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Maybe, but its really hard to tell actually what happened from a box score. How much did they actually play on each other? It looks like Croatia had a much better team overall, and it was almost two years ago. Players mature at different rates.

It is one piece of information to add to the mix though. Individual workouts are going to be very important. I would try to have Sabonis and Bender workout together.

AtheJ415 · Post #1659 » by **AtheJ415** » Sat Apr 2, 2016 12:00 am

jcsunsfan wrote:
Saberestar wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:Bender wouldn't start for at least two years. Heck, he'd barely play the first. Another guy we'd have to be patient with.

Each player is different. We have had a good example with Booker this season.

Everyone (included me) thought that Booker was at least one year away to contribute on our roster. He has been amazing since the beginning of the season.

Bender can be like Booker or Porzingis in that regard, we don't know.

We might still be saying that about Booker had Bledsoe and Knight not been injured. I think teams wait too long to develop their young talent.

I think a lot of that was Jeff. Booker showed something in literally game 1 and then sat for weeks.

Why is it a given Bender couldn't play year 1? His league is very competitive, and some guys like Deandre don't even start on bad college teams and then play well in the NBA. I don't think Bender will barely play. Not with where this team is. If they go out and do something crazy like sign Horford then sure, but a guy like Tele shouldn't prevent him from playing. I mean we have a mammoth hole at the 4 and backup 5 he could fil to play decent minutes right off the bat imo.

AtheJ415 · Post #1660 » by **AtheJ415** » Sat Apr 2, 2016 12:02 am

bwgood77 wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:I assume you are talking about Ulis and not Girls who is discussed in the post you quote
..no way we take Ulis.

We were discussing girls?

I don't know how the hell my phone turned "Hield" into "Girls". HIeld!

I was talking about Ullis. Although I always judge girls I meet based on their ability to guard NBA 1s.

Who would you prefer to take with the Washington pick?