Trade Discussion

[bwgood77]

You are absolutely correct, the Knight trade doesn't look very good. I wholeheartedly agree. But if you were to ask, what I'd rather have right now, Knight @ $14M per and the 2x Heat picks, or Dragic @ $17M per on the LAL pick, I'm picking option one, all day, every day!

I'd take option # 3. The Lakers pick, the two Heat picks, and neither Knight nor Dragic.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Knight is probably easier to dump in a bad case scenario, 5 years younger and 20% cheaper.

[bwgood77]

Knight is probably easier to dump in a bad case scenario, 5 years younger and 20% cheaper.

Yeah, we'll have to see what the market is for 6'3 guards making $14 million shooting 42%, 33% from 3 with 5.1 apg and 3.5 t/o per game.

[NavLDO]

But you still have talked your way around the questions I asked, Frank...without answering them, of course. Which was the poor trade? The Pick for Knight, or Dragic for Picks?

Why.... so you and Jboy can point fingers, declare basketball superiority, then backslap each other while humming Hail to the Chief? -- More Red ink--sorry. But if that's what you think I'm trying to get out of all this, you are wrong. And how many times do I have to say "I was Wrong" for you to understand this. When have I EVER declared "basketball superiority"; when have I EVER tried to act like I'm smarter than everyone else? I just honestly want to understand how out of one side of your mouth, you 'complain' about the future Heat picks being worthless, or at least so far in the future to be worth anything; but then out the other side of your mouth, you 'complain' about trading away the LAL pick that will either be 4th or later in a generally weak draft class, or will be next year, just ONE year before we get one of the Heat picks? Or how the Heat will somehow never be bad enough for those picks to worth anything, yet somehow the Lakers will wallow around in 'Top-5-Pick-ville' forever.

But, to humor you ...hoping you wont red ink a thesis, Knight, unnecessary trade that is looking worse...Dragic, a nice band aid move following self inflicted wounds -- and this perception that Dragic would've been happy had we not brought IT in is a fallacy; Dragic is already on record for feeling 'betrayed' when we brought in Bledsoe. Funny thing, though, that Dragic was quiet when he was playing well in that system, yet once his play went back to 'normal', he cried foul then. So yes, it was self-inflicted, but it goes back to Bledsoe, not IT, and honestly, I'm perfectly fine with Bledsoe and Knight over Dragic by himself, because Dragic by himself at PG netted us a 25-57 record when we weren't tanking. But then, the team was crap too, so it certainly wasn't all Dragic's fault, but he wasn't exactly the savior, either!


And by the way, Not to offend you with a liar tag, you have the penchant to use broad fat brush strokes when painting your pictures. Perhaps i don't understand what you think complaining is. Does it has something to do with disagreeing with your opinion on McDontRunWithScissors?

And no, I don't care if you or others agree with or not. What I find insulting or irritating is painting me as some sort of petty, "I'm always right," moniker, or the fact that McD is beat-up on constantly, and those that would rather remain consistent in their dislike for McD, then remain consistent with the opinion of what they think is best for the Suns. That's why I asked you the question. How can you complain about receiving picks in a trade for 'talent', yet when we trade picks for talent, well, then McD was wrong to do that as well. So that's what is irritating to me...oh, and the fact that McD, or Horny, or whoever else--doesn't matter--are being raked over the coals when handed that **** of a team 2.5 years ago and shockingly, we aren't a top 4 seed in the playoffs yet, or that Len is supposed to be a 20/10 guy already, and Warren will receive the same hate next year, I'm sure, as we are already seeing it.

No Frank, it's not about McD, or that I want to declare "basketball superiority," just want to understand yours and others inconsistencies and lack of patience. I, along with others, I'm sure, get tired of coming to the board and reading how yet again, McD has somehow screwed up, or how terrible of a team we have, when we are clearly tanking, and do not have Bledsoe, Knight, Warren, and now Markieff. That is what gets old. And I'd gladly stop getting on my soapbox, if others would stop and think before posting negative after negative. News Flash!! We are tanking, we are rebuilding, and our young guys are going to take time to develop. Just look at Booker the past several games...hardly looks like our savior recently. Why? Because he's young and needs time to adjust to the NBA, and just because he had a dozen games or so where he did awesome, that is an anomoly, not the norm, and won't be for another couple of seasons, is my guess. but the crowd here at RealGM?? Nope, he won't be given that time, I'm sure of that fact when considering how Len and Warren have already been given up on by some here.

And for the record, no, I'm not thrilled with the package we received back for Morris, but I AM satisfied with the value overall, considering that the majority of media and non-Suns' fans felt McD would be closer to 'paying' for the right to acquire Morris, than receive some sort of value back.

[silverstyne]

Bgwood posted it very well..

McDo aimed for the suns to reach the playoffs but executed it soooooo very poorly that we were forced to go into a big U-turn and tank as a result. That my friends is general mismanagement.. and you cant blame that on injuries either, we were already a mess before bledsoe went down and it all just went downhill from there.

NAV keeps on harping whether or not 2012 suns team is worse than this team. Does it even matter which is which? The mere fact that we are comparing this team to the dregs of our team history says it all.. how anyone could defend McD using that logic is beyond me. McD drafts well, trades well and has had many minor victories but in the end he failed in achieving what he was really hired to do - construct a good basketball team.

[Bogyo]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ricbucher/status/701819344108425218[/tweet]

You guys see this? I love how Bucher really churched up the twins.

Good read, althoug a bit fluffy for the twins. It should be more of a 50/50 in regards of who to blame (them or the mgmt).

[saintEscaton]

Bgwood posted it very well..

McDo aimed for the suns to reach the playoffs but executed it soooooo very poorly that we were forced to go into a big U-turn and tank as a result. That my friends is general mismanagement.. and you cant blame that on injuries either, we were already a mess before bledsoe went down and it all just went downhill from there.

NAV keeps on harping whether or not 2012 suns team is worse than this team. Does it even matter which is which? The mere fact that we are comparing this team to the dregs of our team history says it all.. how anyone could defend McD using that logic is beyond me. McD drafts well, trades well and has had many minor victories but in the end he failed in achieving what he was really hired to do - construct a good basketball team.

Yup we just happened to fall off the treadmill and ran with it to save face, as if everything was going accordingly to the masterplan

[MathiasPW]

Dragic has always played much bettter after ASB

[Qwigglez]

I'm curious to see if the Wizard's pick was actually acquired as an asset, not to draft someone. #3, #12, Knight, and Len could make a great offer for Cousins.

The way we are currently built I still don't think we'd make the playoffs with Bledsoe/Booker/Warren/Cousins/Chandler.
We legitimately look like a bottom 3 team in the league.

[saintEscaton]

Yeah we're farther away than most here think....

[saintEscaton]

I'm curious to see if the Wizard's pick was actually acquired as an asset, not to draft someone. #3, #12, Knight, and Len could make a great offer for Cousins.

The way we are currently built I still don't think we'd make the playoffs with Bledsoe/Booker/Warren/Cousins/Chandler.
We legitimately look like a bottom 3 team in the league.

Thats an underwhelming offer IMO. We'd prolly have to include Booker+ unprotected 2021 MIami Pick. WCS is a superior prospect to Len, Knight is the last thing they need and Bender+ rotational late lotto pick isn't that enticing

[Qwigglez]

^I don't think it's too bad of an offer, but it probably doesn't get it done. Cousins has two years left on his contract after this season. I don't think a team will offer up a top 3 pick the following off-season for a one year rental of Cousins. So really, it's probably their best chance at trading him for a top 3 pick if that's the route the Kings want to go. I'm sure if the Lakers got a better pick than the Suns though they could offer that as a better starting package.
I don't want Cousins though, I think we need to tank properly and not to take shortcuts.

[rottenbanana36]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ricbucher/status/701819344108425218[/tweet]

You guys see this? I love how Bucher really churched up the twins.

Good read, althoug a bit fluffy for the twins. It should be more of a 50/50 in regards of who to blame (them or the mgmt).

I don't mind the article but it was definitely one sided. If you are going to talk about the twins you still have to make light of the pending assault case. That is part of their "great character".

[Bogyo]

^Yeah, he only mentions the assault case once, and even then says that noone thinks (suns mgmt included) it will hold in court.
We'll just have to wait and see another cpl years to see how the MoBros career turns out...

[Damkac]

Brandon Knight for Goran Dragic ... would you do that trade?

No. Dragic is too expensive and too old. And I have doubt he will ever repeat that one great season he had.

I don't know what his #s were that season, but his last 5 games he is at 18.4, 6.8, 5.2 on 50.7% shooting and 35.7% from 3. Not bad. He is still younger than Nash was in 04-05 and Nash was good for another 5-7 years after that.

I'm not saying I'd want him necessarily for this team that is at least 4-5 years away anyway, but he's a better player right now than Knight. He didn't start out well this season, but he's playing better lately, and plays smart than Knight. Doubles him in WS/48, which is the primary stat to look at per AtheJ415.

Dragic has always played much bettter after ASB

If I was paying a basketball player so much money I would like him to play good all season not just a part of it.
And Nash was a unique player. It's very rare for NBA players to stay good for so long.
Dragic is too old for this team, I even think Bledsoe is too old. Trading for Knight was a mistake but imo it would be even bigger mistake to give that big contract to Dragon.

[MathiasPW]

No. Dragic is too expensive and too old. And I have doubt he will ever repeat that one great season he had.

I don't know what his #s were that season, but his last 5 games he is at 18.4, 6.8, 5.2 on 50.7% shooting and 35.7% from 3. Not bad. He is still younger than Nash was in 04-05 and Nash was good for another 5-7 years after that.

I'm not saying I'd want him necessarily for this team that is at least 4-5 years away anyway, but he's a better player right now than Knight. He didn't start out well this season, but he's playing better lately, and plays smart than Knight. Doubles him in WS/48, which is the primary stat to look at per AtheJ415.

Dragic has always played much bettter after ASB

If I was paying a basketball player so much money I would like him to play good all season not just a part of it.
And Nash was a unique player. It's very rare for NBA players to stay good for so long.
Dragic is too old for this team, I even think Bledsoe is too old. Trading for Knight was a mistake but imo it would be even bigger mistake to give that big contract to Dragon.

I agree about Dragic. Bledsoe being too old at 26 is unfair. I understand he depends more on his athleticism, but still...

[saintEscaton]

I don't know what his #s were that season, but his last 5 games he is at 18.4, 6.8, 5.2 on 50.7% shooting and 35.7% from 3. Not bad. He is still younger than Nash was in 04-05 and Nash was good for another 5-7 years after that.

I'm not saying I'd want him necessarily for this team that is at least 4-5 years away anyway, but he's a better player right now than Knight. He didn't start out well this season, but he's playing better lately, and plays smart than Knight. Doubles him in WS/48, which is the primary stat to look at per AtheJ415.

Dragic has always played much bettter after ASB

If I was paying a basketball player so much money I would like him to play good all season not just a part of it.
And Nash was a unique player. It's very rare for NBA players to stay good for so long.
Dragic is too old for this team, I even think Bledsoe is too old. Trading for Knight was a mistake but imo it would be even bigger mistake to give that big contract to Dragon.

I agree about Dragic. Bledsoe being too old at 26 is unfair. I understand he depends more on his athleticism, but still...

Bled will be into his 30s by the time we even approach relevancy , he doesn't fit into the big picture and will be nearing the end of his prime when his 5 year deal is up

[MathiasPW]

Nonsense. "Into his thirties" as in 30. Or do you expect us to take 6-8 years to be relevant ?

[AtheJ415]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ricbucher/status/701819344108425218[/tweet]

You guys see this? I love how Bucher really churched up the twins.

Good read, althoug a bit fluffy for the twins. It should be more of a 50/50 in regards of who to blame (them or the mgmt).

No. It shouldn't. They were rampaging disasters before we ever traded Marcus. If they acted like even just bad professionals we likely would have kept them together. Instead, they technicalled us out of the playoffs, commited felonies off the court, cussed out our coach on national tv, told off the fans, told off opposing players for seemingly no reason, and were trying to teach our youngsters how to act just as irresponsibly while avoiding the media.

[jcsunsfan]

Nonsense. "Into his thirties" as in 30. Or do you expect us to take 6-8 years to be relevant ?

I agree. The only reason Bledsoe might be too old is if he he has 35 year old knees right now, which might be the case. There is no reason why Bledsoe should not have 10 more years other than the knee thing.


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