2016 Draft Thread Part 3 - Poll Update

[darealjuice]

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2016/06/16/nba-mock-draft-paul-coros-second-edition/85975976/

Coro's newest mock draft if anyone is interested. Has us going Dragan Bender, Dejounte Murray, and Guerschon Yabusele

[JMac1]

I feel like if Bender is gone we wil take Dunn and hold him ransom but then when we are fielded with underwhelming offers we will recreate the Hydra

Did you read Brightside?

We could just trade Bledsoe, not Knight because Dunn would takeover as the starting PG. Knight can come off of the bench. Bender or Okafor trade is where it is at.

This is Booker's team, he can't play with Dunn or Brown.....too ball dominant. Could Play with Murray and Hield (off ball), but those guys are redundant to Booker, unless you envision Murray as the 1. Love Hield, but worse possible fit. Booker is not playing the SF. Chris, Bender and Okafor makes sense, with Murray a close 4th.

[darealjuice]

Picking Dejounte Murray would feel like pressing the reset button on a project like Archie Goodwin, except Murray's feel for the game, ball handling, and passing are all better than Archie now

[NavLDO]

I really shouldn't already be so invested in Bender since he's not even on our team, but man am I going to be heartbroken if Boston selects him before us on draft night.

It's hard not to be, but unfortunately, put yourself in Ainge's shoes; do you draft Kris Dunn--a 'dime a dozen' PG, or an 18 YO up-n-comer like Bender? To me, the choice is obvious; you have a big that can move like a 3, yet is really raw or the more established 'safe pick' in Dunn or Hield. Maybe Murray, since he's shown so much and is also a young guy, but if Boston is entertaining trading for Okafor, that tells me they would like a talented 'big'.

I just hope that if Boston does choose Bender, that McD tries to get an Okafor deal done, because if he doesn't we're reaching for Chriss or taking another Guard, and I'm sorry, but IMO, Dunn, Hield, nor Murray is better than Okafor, or has the upside of Bender.

And if Bender fails 'spectacularly', then the 'hindsight 20/20ers' will come out of the woodwork and say 'see, we should've taken [enter Guard's name here]. But I'd rather take that chance, but I also understand that it's a personal preference, not a 'who's right or who's wrong' situation. In the end, I'll support whoever McD takes, and assume he has a plan to cover our PF slot, be it in FA, via a trade, or with another top 5 pick next year (with a new GM, I presume).

[saintEscaton]

I feel like if Bender is gone we wil take Dunn and hold him ransom but then when we are fielded with underwhelming offers we will recreate the Hydra

Did you read Brightside?

We could just trade Bledsoe, not Knight because Dunn would takeover as the starting PG. Knight can come off of the bench. Bender or Okafor trade is where it is at.

This is Booker's team, he can't play with Dunn or Brown.....too ball dominant. Could Play with Murray and Hield (off ball), but those guys are redundant to Booker, unless you envision Murray as the 1. Love Hield, but worse possible fit. Booker is not playing the SF. Chris, Bender and Okafor makes sense, with Murray a close 4th.

I don't envision Booker already being a lead guard who can effectively function as a point in the mold of Harden/Roy I think he will thrive as the secondary ballhandler who can run PnRs( like Beal) alongside a traditional point. Unless we find a find a two-way wing who can aslo playmaker like Butler to pair alongside him

[NavLDO]

What is everyone hoping Bender will turn out to be? IMO he isn't gonna be a first or even second option offensively. He seems like a jack of all trades kinda guy. I looked up some Kukoc stats, and his best season he got 19/7/5/1. Do you guys think Bender will be capable of doing this if he reaches his potential? Is he capable of more/less?
What I'm hoping for is a mix of Boris Diaw/Draymond Green/Toni Kukoc. I think maybe he can be a 15/7/6/1 kind of player depending on the system. Not sure if he'll ever be an all-star but I'll take those kind of stats.

Expecting Toni Kukoc is a stretch. Kukoc was a far superior player. One of the greatest players to come out of Europe. Ever. Just because Dragan says he "tries" to model his game to his, doesn't automatically mean he's destined to be Kukoc 2.0. Players (American) try to mimic MJ & other greats. Does that mean its successful? NO. Let's pump the brakes on these Kukoc comparisons. Outside reality.

You are right. Kukoc played in Europe until he was 24, Bender is 18. Maybe Bender should spend 5 to 6 more years in Europe before coming over, then we can make the Kukoc comparisons...c'mon...you are trying to 'dis' Bender because he's not one of the best Eurpoean players ever at age 18??

No one is saying he'll be as good as Kukoc, only that his game is modeled after Kukoc, and some here are just trying to extrapolate if that MIGHT be possible; no one is saying he's a sure thing....

[WeekapaugGroove]

I feel like if Bender is gone we wil take Dunn and hold him ransom but then when we are fielded with underwhelming offers we will recreate the Hydra

I actually was thinking the same thing. Mostly because taking a disgruntled Dunn then having it blow up into a problem seems like such a classic suns move.

I can see it now where mcd is doing a press conference in January after they trade Bledsoe for 25 cents on the dollar and acting shocked there was disgruntled players. Rinse and repeat

[JMac1]

I feel like if Bender is gone we wil take Dunn and hold him ransom but then when we are fielded with underwhelming offers we will recreate the Hydra

Did you read Brightside?

We could just trade Bledsoe, not Knight because Dunn would takeover as the starting PG. Knight can come off of the bench. Bender or Okafor trade is where it is at.

This is Booker's team, he can't play with Dunn or Brown.....too ball dominant. Could Play with Murray and Hield (off ball), but those guys are redundant to Booker, unless you envision Murray as the 1. Love Hield, but worse possible fit. Booker is not playing the SF. Chris, Bender and Okafor makes sense, with Murray a close 4th.

This reasoning makes no sense unless you envision Booker already being a lead guard who can effectively function as a point in the mold of Harden/Roy which I don't yet. I think he will thrive as the secondary playmaker who can run PnRs( like Beal) alongside a primary ballhandler

I said Booker can't play with any ball dominant PG, because when it comes down to it Booker will be that Harden/Roy guy, if you don't see it yet, I guess you missed that week he went ballistic averaging damn near 30 per game and they had to double him damn near at the half court line, especially Miami.

We need a decent ball handling 3pt shooting PG who plays defense. I don't want someone who will have Booker standing in a corner alas Brandon Knight. Also, I don't want Booker hurting a Dunn or Brown type player, meaning they are useless unless the ball is in their hands because they can't shoot and play off Booker when he does go Miami. Hield can play off Booker, but they both play SG.

Booker was a total different player as a secondary ball handler......when he was number 1 he looked like a franchise player.

[NavLDO]

http://hoopshabit.com/2016/06/16/phoenix-suns-5-draft-options-no-28-pick/

Petr or Juan?

Bembry all day, everyday, IMO. I doubt Juancho will be there, but if he is, I suspect he'd be the best option for us, but I really like Bembry as a poor man's Valentine.

[rsavaj]

I feel like if Bender is gone we wil take Dunn and hold him ransom but then when we are fielded with underwhelming offers we will recreate the Hydra

I actually was thinking the same thing. Mostly because taking a disgruntled Dunn then having it blow up into a problem seems like such a classic suns move.

I can see it now where mcd is doing a press conference in January after they trade Bledsoe for 25 cents on the dollar and acting shocked there was disgruntled players. Rinse and repeat

haha I was texting a buddy earlier about this exact scenario playing out

man...I miss when this team didn't suck

[NavLDO]

I feel like if Bender is gone we wil take Dunn and hold him ransom but then when we are fielded with underwhelming offers we will recreate the Hydra

Sadly, I see the same situation, then we'll package him for peanuts like we did Ennis... Great use of a 4th overall pick!

But seriously, if they select Dunn, they better commit to him and find a way to move Bledsoe or Knight.

[saintEscaton]

I feel like if Bender is gone we wil take Dunn and hold him ransom but then when we are fielded with underwhelming offers we will recreate the Hydra

I actually was thinking the same thing. Mostly because taking a disgruntled Dunn then having it blow up into a problem seems like such a classic suns move.

I can see it now where mcd is doing a press conference in January after they trade Bledsoe for 25 cents on the dollar and acting shocked there was disgruntled players. Rinse and repeat

Dunn is getting bad rep for being a primma donna but really he is just a hyper competitor who would only wanted to go up against top prospects and wouldn't schedule "one on none" private workouts. He's fine being drafted by any team and has no leverage in this situation. Dunn debunked Woj's speculation that he refused to disclose his medical records to Boston

[JMac1]

guard Kris Dunn said reports that he does not want to be selected by the Celtics with the No. 3 pick in next week’s NBA Draft are inaccurate.

“I mean, it would be unbelievable to be selected by the Celtics,” Dunn said in a telephone interview Thursday morning. “My dream is just to get drafted, and that I have a chance to be a top-five player, it’s a blessing.”

The Vertical recently reported that Dunn’s camp did not want him to be selected by the Celtics or the Suns, two teams that already have young, established backcourts, and that it could withhold medical information from the teams in an attempt to cloud the picture.

Dunn, who has undergone two shoulder surgeries in his career, said he has no intention of avoiding the Celtics.

“I think that’s just a rumor going around,” Dunn said. “That never came out of my mouth, that I didn’t want to play for any team.”

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2016/06/16/kris-dunn-debunks-report-doesn-want-celtics-draft-him/CRecIN0m2tDIAQ9i6JpUhL/story.html

[JMac1]

I feel like if Bender is gone we wil take Dunn and hold him ransom but then when we are fielded with underwhelming offers we will recreate the Hydra

Sadly, I see the same situation, then we'll package him for peanuts like we did Ennis... Great use of a 4th overall pick!

But seriously, if they select Dunn, they better commit to him and find a way to move Bledsoe or Knight.

After the new news, guess who is back on my list

Bender
Trade for Okafor
Dunn

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pqss7oCKyI[/youtube]

He has it all fellas. Defense, Offense, ATH, swag and fit after trade of Bledsoe to Cleveland.

Can't knock him.

[NavLDO]

The Case Against Jamal Murray as a Top 10 Pick
http://upsidemotor.com/2016/06/16/case-jamal-murray/

Good article. Thanks for posting...so with the 4th overall pick, the Phoenix Suns select...Jamal Murray, G, Kentucky...

[Ghost of Kleine]

I feel like if Bender is gone we wil take Dunn and hold him ransom but then when we are fielded with underwhelming offers we will recreate the Hydra

Sadly, I see the same situation, then we'll package him for peanuts like we did Ennis... Great use of a 4th overall pick!

But seriously, if they select Dunn, they better commit to him and find a way to move Bledsoe or Knight.

Actually, It could happen fairly easily IF philly would prefer bledsoe to dunn, But even if they didn't, And we chose to take the d-bag route and draft dunn at #4.( I would much rather just take murray and be done with it)

But If we drafted dunn, then we could essentially engineer(leverage) a trade with philly for okafor for dunn swap.

Or we could Do a three way trade in wich we send philly dunn, philly then sends chicago okafor....We add tucker, chandler(they'll need a new center with noah leaving). We can also send them archie goodwin and Our miami 2018 first.

In return we get Jimmy Butler.

Then we roll out a line of:

1-Bledsoe/demetrius jackson(#28pick).

2_Booker/ knight(lol...sorry knight...).

3- Jimmy Butler/warren.

4- #13 pick-Skal labisserie/ellenson/davis/or maker.

5-Alex len/ ? maker / skal/ Or using 2nd round pick....Zhou Qui/ a.j. hammons/or peter cornelie.

[Qwigglez]

Picking Dejounte Murray would feel like pressing the reset button on a project like Archie Goodwin, except Murray's feel for the game, ball handling, and passing are all better than Archie now

Archie wasn't going to stay past this year anyway. I doubt we would have offered him an extension, and even if we did he wouldn't have taken it. I see him accepting a one year contract somewhere and then cut and then eventually going overseas. I just don't see him being mentally strong enough to fight through adversity in the NBA. Or maybe I'm wrong, we'll see.

[letsgosuns]

Gambo said he thinks the Suns will choose between Bender, Hield, Jamal Murray, or an outside chance Chriss. He also said he does not believe the Suns are going to be drafting Dunn. Take it for what it is worth.

[MrMiyagi]

Gambo said he thinks the Suns will choose between Bender, Hield, Jamal Murray, or an outside chance Chriss. He also said he does not believe the Suns are going to be drafting Dunn. Take it for what it is worth.

So, we're drafting Dunn.

[dremill24]

I feel like if Bender is gone we wil take Dunn and hold him ransom but then when we are fielded with underwhelming offers we will recreate the Hydra

Did you read Brightside?

We could just trade Bledsoe, not Knight because Dunn would takeover as the starting PG. Knight can come off of the bench. Bender or Okafor trade is where it is at.

This is Booker's team, he can't play with Dunn or Brown.....too ball dominant. Could Play with Murray and Hield (off ball), but those guys are redundant to Booker, unless you envision Murray as the 1. Love Hield, but worse possible fit. Booker is not playing the SF. Chris, Bender and Okafor makes sense, with Murray a close 4th.

Why would it matter if Murray was considered a '1' if Booker was the primary ballhandler anyway?