Season speculation, free agency, and trade ideas: #ValleyBoyz rise up

[King4Day]

Regarding Conley, if we were able to get him for Johnson, TJ or Jackson, and the Bucks pick, I'd do it. Conley would change the mindset of the our team on the floor.
Always have to remember, Nash was elite at this stage in his career. Conley is a different player but we're just talking 2 years. If we get him and next year is a flop, then we have a large expiring. It would show Booker we are trying to improve at least.

[King4Day]

Another thought would be Gallo if Clips want to move on (like if they get swept by GS).

If they are to go after 2 max contracts, they'll have to move him or let him walk. He could be obtainable for sure. His shooting would seriously help us. Could be an underrated move that could catapult our team.

[Ghost of Kleine]

To much risk for the reward for me. I am not messing around with an aging player coming off an Achilles injury that only makes $5m less then wall next year. If he reinjures his Achilles all of the years of losing for our draft picks could go to waste with the Amt of dead money we will have.

That's cool man, Nothing wrong with having differing perspectives I think.

I guess for my part, I just don't see it as such a scary risk due to a couple of considerations, Those being:

First, With him only being 31 yrs old, I personally think he fits our timeline nicely given his balanced blend of veteran tenure and playoff experience, While still having put up great numbers for the grizzlies last year. Also his passing and leadership would be a very welcome commodity on our young team.

I mean just this season he was averaging: 21 points/ 6 assists/ and 3 rebounds. Also, in a trade with Tyler Johnsons' expiring, along with TJ Warren/ We maintain our cap space, AND given the current front office instability in Memphis, Conley being unhappy with their coach being fired, their proclivity to rebuild, along with the size of Conleys' contract (*** and recent injury) also being a determining factor to his value, It really shouldn't cost us anything more than an expiring( T. Johnson) and a young promising player( Warren) to make the deal happen.

This would not only allow us to keep our lotto pick this year ( Morant or Clarke?), Or possibly trade back, ***IF a good deal is there? But it also allows us to focus the entirety of our cap space in free agency on depth at the power forward and other positions(perimeter shooting??) Maybe Aminu/Beverly or perhaps Gibson/ Collison?

And then, in another season or so, When he becomes that huge expiring, Maybe trade him for a big name max player on a comparable contract( Griffin perhaps?). I'm sure either Detroit or even Orlando might prefer a guard of Conleys' ( or Lowrys') caliber compared to what they would currently have for next season perhaps?


I also like the idea of him being able to possibly be mentor a Morant/ Garland/ or Coby White ( or whoever really) for a season or two, until that prospect is ready to take over. And again, Then you just can decide to flip him in a trade for that big piece.


However, IF the Achilles injury is just too much of an unacceptable risk to consider, As my previous trade proposals suggested, The money in a trade for Lowry also matches up nearly perfectly too. And he becomes an expiring same as Tyler Johnsons' contract would expire too next season, And also offers similiar production to boot.

So those are my basic reasons for seeing Conley ( or Lowry) as the most realistic option and best overall fit for our teams' needs currently. But also, with perspective for a bigger plan to hopefully materialize from either players' acquisition. So acceptable risk at least from my perspective. But again, I respect your differing perspective equally as well.

I agree, if he’s healthy he would be a great fit, even if he’s overpaid. I just think Achilles injuries are too scary to mess with. I think there are a lot more options at point without the risk of losing 1/3rd of our cap which would probably result in us losing Book. I think I would even prefer to just run with Tyler at point (hopefully we do better then just Tyler)

I definitely hear what you're saying man. My hope would be that our long standing reputation for having a renowned and knowledgeable medical/training staff would come into play here and that we'd be relatively sure of his durability during his contractual years here.

Otherwise we can of course explore other options as a plan B( Lowry) or plan C( Collison/ Joseph).


I, for my part would not be so concerned about losing Booker and having our cap space being tied up. We'll be much more competitive and probably even fighting for the playoffs. So Booker will be satiated.

I just feel that Conley could obviously help us make the playoffs a lot easier than Tyler Johnson probably could. Which is what Booker and most of us want and hope for anyways. And this also indirectly makes us more desirable to free agents going forward as well.

Also, in trading for Conley, We exchange our two biggest contracts in Tyler Johnson and TJ Warren for a high quality player (that addresses one of our two areas of greatest need).

If need be, We've addressed our point guard issues, So even IF we miss out on Morant, We can just trade back and take Clarke or Kabengele( increasing our cap space a bit in the process).

Then we (If we so choose) could move Jackson to Indiana for McDermott or TJ leaf ( allowing us to maintain our TJ on the roster...lol)

And Indiana could probably use a defensive small forward to backup olajdipo anyways, in case of injury.

But again, trading for Conley or Lowry allows us to now use the cap space which we were going to attempt using on both positions, Solely towards our power forward position( Aminu for Bobbie L. ).

And then we can still address veteran depth with Beverly using our exceptions( MLE/ BI ANNUAL), and then resign Oubre last.

Finally, As a bonus Conley expires right around the time when Both Ayton and Bridges would be up for their extensions as well.

[Damkac]

Another thought would be Gallo if Clips want to move on (like if they get swept by GS).

If they are to go after 2 max contracts, they'll have to move him or let him walk. He could be obtainable for sure. His shooting would seriously help us. Could be an underrated move that could catapult our team.

What makes you think that wings with great shooting are valuable? Suns has one and everybody wants to trade him.

[Crives]

Where are those "significant assets"?

In that trade idea we are trading Tyler Johnson (who some people just want him to be waived because he is big time overpaid and expiring), Josh Jackson (who is one of the worst players in the league for now and we need to decide about his future now) and whoever from Spalding/Fredette/Okobo/Melton.

The only valuable asset would be the 2020 first round pick...but if we improve and it is Top 7 protected that would not be a big deal.

I thought I read TJ Warren + multiple picks.

But, even if we only traded Tyler + Josh for Conley I still wouldn’t pull the trigger. Achilles injuries are very scary and Conley would consume 1/3rd of our cap for 3 years.

I understand the risk, but EVERY player in the league can have a big injury next season...you never know.

We did not trade for Beverley probably because he had an injury the prior season, and he has played pretty well and has been healthy all season long.

Conley and Lowry are healthy now and they can play on a high level for at least another couple of seasons.

I hear you, every player can get injured. But I view Achilles injuries as a different animal from other injuries types. When you combine this with Conley only making 5m less then wall next season I would be to scared to pull the trigger. Conley and Bev have very different contracts.

[BVPN]

Another thought would be Gallo if Clips want to move on (like if they get swept by GS).

If they are to go after 2 max contracts, they'll have to move him or let him walk. He could be obtainable for sure. His shooting would seriously help us. Could be an underrated move that could catapult our team.

What makes you think that wings with great shooting are valuable? Suns has one and everybody wants to trade him.

I think Gallo played most of the year at PF this year and did a pretty good job there. He seems to fit better at that role than Warren IMO.

[Ghost of Kleine]

To much risk for the reward for me. I am not messing around with an aging player coming off an Achilles injury that only makes $5m less then wall next year. If he reinjures his Achilles all of the years of losing for our draft picks could go to waste with the Amt of dead money we will have.

That's cool man, Nothing wrong with having differing perspectives I think.

I guess for my part, I just don't see it as such a scary risk due to a couple of considerations, Those being:

First, With him only being 31 yrs old, I personally think he fits our timeline nicely given his balanced blend of veteran tenure and playoff experience, While still having put up great numbers for the grizzlies last year. Also his passing and leadership would be a very welcome commodity on our young team.

I mean just this season he was averaging: 21 points/ 6 assists/ and 3 rebounds. Also, in a trade with Tyler Johnsons' expiring, along with TJ Warren/ We maintain our cap space, AND given the current front office instability in Memphis, Conley being unhappy with their coach being fired, their proclivity to rebuild, along with the size of Conleys' contract (*** and recent injury) also being a determining factor to his value, It really shouldn't cost us anything more than an expiring( T. Johnson) and a young promising player( Warren) to make the deal happen.

This would not only allow us to keep our lotto pick this year ( Morant or Clarke?), Or possibly trade back, ***IF a good deal is there? But it also allows us to focus the entirety of our cap space in free agency on depth at the power forward and other positions(perimeter shooting??) Maybe Aminu/Beverly or perhaps Gibson/ Collison?

And then, in another season or so, When he becomes that huge expiring, Maybe trade him for a big name max player on a comparable contract( Griffin perhaps?). I'm sure either Detroit or even Orlando might prefer a guard of Conleys' ( or Lowrys') caliber compared to what they would currently have for next season perhaps?


I also like the idea of him being able to possibly be mentor a Morant/ Garland/ or Coby White ( or whoever really) for a season or two, until that prospect is ready to take over. And again, Then you just can decide to flip him in a trade for that big piece.


However, IF the Achilles injury is just too much of an unacceptable risk to consider, As my previous trade proposals suggested, The money in a trade for Lowry also matches up nearly perfectly too. And he becomes an expiring same as Tyler Johnsons' contract would expire too next season, And also offers similiar production to boot.

So those are my basic reasons for seeing Conley ( or Lowry) as the most realistic option and best overall fit for our teams' needs currently. But also, with perspective for a bigger plan to hopefully materialize from either players' acquisition. So acceptable risk at least from my perspective. But again, I respect your differing perspective equally as well.

I agree, if he’s healthy he would be a great fit, even if he’s overpaid. I just think Achilles injuries are too scary to mess with. I think there are a lot more options at point without the risk of losing 1/3rd of our cap which would probably result in us losing Book. I think I would even prefer to just run with Tyler at point (hopefully we do better then just Tyler)

I definitely hear what you're saying man. My hope would be that our long standing reputation for having a renowned and knowledgeable medical/training staff would come into play here and that we'd be relatively sure of his durability during his contractual years here.

Otherwise we can of course explore other options as a plan B( Lowry) or plan C( Collison/ Joseph).


I, for my part, would not be so concerned about the possibility of losing Booker and having our cap space being tied up, As we'll be much more competitive and probably even fighting for the playoffs. So Booker will be satiated.

Also in becoming more competitive, We'll of course generate more revenue from more games played....in addition to increased ticket sales and t.v. revenue.

I just feel that Conley could obviously help us make the playoffs a lot easier than Tyler Johnson probably could. Which is what Booker and most of us want and hope for anyways. And this also indirectly makes us more desirable to free agents going forward as well.

Also, in trading for Conley, We exchange our two biggest contracts in Tyler Johnson and TJ Warren for a high quality player (that addresses one of our two areas of greatest need).

If need be, We've addressed our point guard issues, So even IF we miss out on Morant, We can just trade back and take Clarke or Kabengele( increasing our cap space a bit in the process).

Then we (If we so choose) could move Jackson to Indiana for McDermott or TJ leaf ( allowing us to maintain our TJ on the roster...lol)

And Indiana could probably use a defensive small forward to backup olajdipo anyways, in case of injury.

But again, trading for Conley or Lowry allows us to now use the cap space which we were going to attempt using on both positions, Solely towards our power forward position( Aminu for Bobbie L. ).

And then we can still address veteran depth with Beverly using our exceptions( MLE/ BI ANNUAL), and then resign Oubre last.

Finally, As a bonus Conley expires right around the time when Both Ayton and Bridges would be up for their extensions as well. That's 30 million off of the books, or to be used in a trade for a max player if need be.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Regarding Conley, if we were able to get him for Johnson, TJ or Jackson, and the Bucks pick, I'd do it. Conley would change the mindset of the our team on the floor.
Always have to remember, Nash was elite at this stage in his career. Conley is a different player but we're just talking 2 years. If we get him and next year is a flop, then we have a large expiring. It would show Booker we are trying to improve at least.

This is a great point, not to be overlooked.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Another thought would be Gallo if Clips want to move on (like if they get swept by GS).

If they are to go after 2 max contracts, they'll have to move him or let him walk. He could be obtainable for sure. His shooting would seriously help us. Could be an underrated move that could catapult our team.

What makes you think that wings with great shooting are valuable? Suns has one and everybody wants to trade him.

Warren is a good scorer, But the problem with him is in that he often spends more time on the injured list than he does on the floor.

Furthermore, he has shown to have tunnel vision and never passes and doesn't really play defense either.


This basically diminishes some of the positives of his decent contract, as you're basically still paying for a part time oft injured 6th man "scorer only" type and it seems that our team is currently trying to embrace a more versatile and defensive style of play.

He's still of value of course, But given our more pressing needs at point guard and power forward, as well as Oubres' scoting and defensive abilities as well as Bridges too, He (along with Jackson most likely) becomes the odd man out due to his contractual value in a trade that will help us balance our roster better.

[alamin330]

Imagine not wanting Ben Simmons on this team He's an elite passer, rebounder, and defender. He plays PG and PF at the same time, and we happen to have severe holes at both of those positions. Oh yeah and he's 22 years old and a perfect complement to Devin Booker. I like Conley and Jrue, but Simmons is on another level. I'll never understand why Suns fans shoot for mediocrity. Stockholm syndrome I guess. If he's even slightly available then he should be at the very top of the Suns list.

Ben Simmons is not that good. He cant shoot free throws or shoot outside the paint. sixers will never win with him as long as he plays this way. He's too easy to gameplan for.

[bwgood77]

Another thought would be Gallo if Clips want to move on (like if they get swept by GS).

If they are to go after 2 max contracts, they'll have to move him or let him walk. He could be obtainable for sure. His shooting would seriously help us. Could be an underrated move that could catapult our team.

What makes you think that wings with great shooting are valuable? Suns has one and everybody wants to trade him.

He's on a very elite list of players here, though he is tied for the oldest of the group.

http://bkref.com/tiny/q3VGP

[bwgood77]

If they are to go after 2 max contracts, they'll have to move him or let him walk. He could be obtainable for sure. His shooting would seriously help us. Could be an underrated move that could catapult our team.

What makes you think that wings with great shooting are valuable? Suns has one and everybody wants to trade him.

I think Gallo played most of the year at PF this year and did a pretty good job there. He seems to fit better at that role than Warren IMO.

He had a really good year. His best rebounding #s of his career at 6.1 rpg (career is 4.9 rpg). But he is more injury prone than TJ, averaging just 47 games per year the last 8 years...this was the most he has played...68. I don't know that I'd want to pay over $22 million for a year of him at 31 as injury prone as he is.

[Crives]

That's cool man, Nothing wrong with having differing perspectives I think.

I guess for my part, I just don't see it as such a scary risk due to a couple of considerations, Those being:

First, With him only being 31 yrs old, I personally think he fits our timeline nicely given his balanced blend of veteran tenure and playoff experience, While still having put up great numbers for the grizzlies last year. Also his passing and leadership would be a very welcome commodity on our young team.

I mean just this season he was averaging: 21 points/ 6 assists/ and 3 rebounds. Also, in a trade with Tyler Johnsons' expiring, along with TJ Warren/ We maintain our cap space, AND given the current front office instability in Memphis, Conley being unhappy with their coach being fired, their proclivity to rebuild, along with the size of Conleys' contract (*** and recent injury) also being a determining factor to his value, It really shouldn't cost us anything more than an expiring( T. Johnson) and a young promising player( Warren) to make the deal happen.

This would not only allow us to keep our lotto pick this year ( Morant or Clarke?), Or possibly trade back, ***IF a good deal is there? But it also allows us to focus the entirety of our cap space in free agency on depth at the power forward and other positions(perimeter shooting??) Maybe Aminu/Beverly or perhaps Gibson/ Collison?

And then, in another season or so, When he becomes that huge expiring, Maybe trade him for a big name max player on a comparable contract( Griffin perhaps?). I'm sure either Detroit or even Orlando might prefer a guard of Conleys' ( or Lowrys') caliber compared to what they would currently have for next season perhaps?


I also like the idea of him being able to possibly be mentor a Morant/ Garland/ or Coby White ( or whoever really) for a season or two, until that prospect is ready to take over. And again, Then you just can decide to flip him in a trade for that big piece.


However, IF the Achilles injury is just too much of an unacceptable risk to consider, As my previous trade proposals suggested, The money in a trade for Lowry also matches up nearly perfectly too. And he becomes an expiring same as Tyler Johnsons' contract would expire too next season, And also offers similiar production to boot.

So those are my basic reasons for seeing Conley ( or Lowry) as the most realistic option and best overall fit for our teams' needs currently. But also, with perspective for a bigger plan to hopefully materialize from either players' acquisition. So acceptable risk at least from my perspective. But again, I respect your differing perspective equally as well.

I agree, if he’s healthy he would be a great fit, even if he’s overpaid. I just think Achilles injuries are too scary to mess with. I think there are a lot more options at point without the risk of losing 1/3rd of our cap which would probably result in us losing Book. I think I would even prefer to just run with Tyler at point (hopefully we do better then just Tyler)

I definitely hear what you're saying man. My hope would be that our long standing reputation for having a renowned and knowledgeable medical/training staff would come into play here and that we'd be relatively sure of his durability during his contractual years here.

Otherwise we can of course explore other options as a plan B( Lowry) or plan C( Collison/ Joseph).


I, for my part would not be so concerned about losing Booker and having our cap space being tied up. We'll be much more competitive and probably even fighting for the playoffs. So Booker will be satiated.

I just feel that Conley could obviously help us make the playoffs a lot easier than Tyler Johnson probably could. Which is what Booker and most of us want and hope for anyways. And this also indirectly makes us more desirable to free agents going forward as well.

Also, in trading for Conley, We exchange our two biggest contracts in Tyler Johnson and TJ Warren for a high quality player (that addresses one of our two areas of greatest need).

If need be, We've addressed our point guard issues, So even IF we miss out on Morant, We can just trade back and take Clarke or Kabengele( increasing our cap space a bit in the process).

Then we (If we so choose) could move Jackson to Indiana for McDermott or TJ leaf ( allowing us to maintain our TJ on the roster...lol)

And Indiana could probably use a defensive small forward to backup olajdipo anyways, in case of injury.

But again, trading for Conley or Lowry allows us to now use the cap space which we were going to attempt using on both positions, Solely towards our power forward position( Aminu for Bobbie L. ).

And then we can still address veteran depth with Beverly using our exceptions( MLE/ BI ANNUAL), and then resign Oubre last.

Finally, As a bonus Conley expires right around the time when Both Ayton and Bridges would be up for their extensions as well.

I trust the medical staff as well, so if Aaron signs off on it I would feel better. I wouldn’t bet on that happening though, the stats on missed games for Conley the last 4 seasons are insane.

[Crives]

Interesting data from the general board as we search for pf/pg prospects

This is a cumulative ranking based on the 6 years of data on ESPN. Minimum 100 games played so no rookies.

CENTER
1 Rudy Gobert 4.34
2 Nene Hilario 3.36
3 Jusuf Nurkic 3.31
4 Nerlens Noel 3.00
5 Anthony Davis 2.98
6 DeAndre Jordan 2.97
7 Ian Mahinmi 2.96
8 Hassan Whiteside 2.96
9 Tyson Chandler 2.96
10 Joel Embiid 2.91
11 Salah Mejri 2.86
12 Zaza Pachulia 2.67
13 Joakim Noah 2.65
14 Dwight Howard 2.58
15 Nikola Jokic 2.51
16 DeMarcus Cousins 2.45
17 Marcin Gortat 2.41
18 Ekpe Udoh 2.30
19 Marc Gasol 2.29
20 Dewayne Dedmon 2.22
21 Clint Capela 2.13
22 Bam Adebayo 2.12
23 Myles Turner 2.10
24 Cody Zeller 2.07
25 Al Horford 2.01
26 Aron Baynes 2.01
27 Pau Gasol 1.92
28 Nikola Vucevic 1.91
29 Kosta Koufos 1.77
30 Kevon Looney 1.77
31 Daniel Theis 1.77
32 Ed Davis 1.72
33 Boban Marjanovic 1.64
34 Andre Drummond 1.56
35 Steven Adams 1.45
36 Ivica Zubac 1.40
37 Kyle O'Quinn 1.38
38 Brook Lopez 1.31
39 Robin Lopez 1.22
40 Jakob Poeltl 1.17
41 Alex Len 1.06
42 Domantas Sabonis 1.05
43 Gorgui Dieng 1.04
44 Jordan Bell 1.01
45 Jarrett Allen 1.00
46 Willie Cauley-Stein 0.92
47 Kelly Olynyk 0.86
48 Bismack Biyombo 0.83
49 Tyler Zeller 0.82
50 Dwight Powell 0.82
51 John Henson 0.77
52 Jonas Valanciunas 0.75
53 Greg Monroe 0.74
54 Mason Plumlee 0.63
55 Mike Muscala 0.58
56 Miles Plumlee 0.54
57 Channing Frye 0.53
58 Richaun Holmes 0.18
59 Zach Collins 0.06
60 JaVale McGee 0.01
61 Thon Maker -0.04
62 Willy Hernangomez -0.09
63 Karl-Anthony Towns -0.10
64 Meyers Leonard -0.12
65 Montrezl Harrell -0.24
66 Jason Smith -0.36
67 Cristiano Felicio -0.50
68 Jahlil Okafor -0.75
69 Frank Kaminsky -0.75
70 Deyonta Davis -0.85
71 Enes Kanter -1.68

POWER FORWARD
1 Draymond Green 4.48
2 Paul Millsap 2.73
3 Amir Johnson 2.52
4 Derrick Favors 1.91
5 Larry Nance Jr. 1.91
6 Luc Mbah a Moute 1.78
7 Kevin Love 1.67
8 Serge Ibaka 1.58
9 Taj Gibson 1.49
10 Pascal Siakam 1.34
11 LaMarcus Aldridge 1.32
12 Thaddeus Young 1.31
13 Nikola Mirotic 1.27
14 James Johnson 1.24
15 Jonathan Isaac 1.22
16 Nemanja Bjelica 1.14
17 Giannis Antetokounmpo 1.10
18 Rondae Hollis-Jefferson 1.07
19 Noah Vonleh 0.99
20 Markieff Morris 0.82
21 Blake Griffin 0.80
22 Donatas Motiejunas 0.57
23 Marvin Williams 0.54
24 Udonis Haslem 0.49
25 Davis Bertans 0.47
26 Jon Leuer 0.44
27 Jonas Jerebko 0.37
28 Jarell Martin 0.22
29 Dirk Nowitzki 0.21
30 Aaron Gordon 0.12
31 Cheick Diallo 0.07
32 Anthony Tolliver -0.07
33 Ersan Ilyasova -0.09
34 Patrick Patterson -0.09
35 Tristan Thompson -0.11
36 John Collins -0.12
37 Jerami Grant -0.16
38 Harrison Barnes -0.25
39 Juan Hernangomez -0.25
40 Quincy Acy -0.30
41 Trey Lyles -0.36
42 Semi Ojeleye -0.43
43 Dante Cunningham -0.47
44 Skal Labissiere -0.57
45 Sam Dekker -0.58
46 Kenneth Faried -0.59
47 Lauri Markkanen -0.60
48 Tobias Harris -0.65
49 JaMychal Green -0.67
50 Dragan Bender -0.71
51 Lance Thomas -0.73
52 Marquese Chriss -0.80
53 T.J. Leaf -0.90
54 Dario Saric -0.93
55 Jeff Green -0.94
56 Mike Scott -1.01
57 Michael Beasley -1.01
58 Julius Randle -1.01
59 Kyle Kuzma -1.16
60 Ryan Anderson -1.54
61 Bobby Portis -1.61
62 Jabari Parker -1.66

SMALL FORWARD
1 Robert Covington 2.75
2 Kawhi Leonard 2.33
3 Kyle Anderson 2.30
4 Al-Farouq Aminu 2.22
5 Andre Iguodala 1.96
6 Royce O'Neale 1.91
7 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist 1.81
8 LeBron James 1.53
9 Jayson Tatum 1.49
10 Paul George 1.49
11 Justise Winslow 1.45
12 Jimmy Butler 1.42
13 Jared Dudley 1.08
14 PJ Tucker 0.95
15 Luol Deng 0.91
16 Sindarius Thornwell 0.86
17 Wesley Johnson 0.78
18 DeMarre Carroll 0.74
19 Trevor Ariza 0.65
20 Otto Porter Jr. 0.55
21 Joe Ingles 0.54
22 Kevin Durant 0.46
23 Rudy Gay 0.45
24 Stanley Johnson 0.37
25 Derrick Jones Jr. 0.27
26 Jae Crowder 0.25
27 Josh Richardson 0.23
28 Jaylen Brown 0.18
29 Omri Casspi 0.16
30 Khris Middleton 0.09
31 Danilo Gallinari 0.09
32 OG Anunoby 0.05
33 Maurice Harkless -0.09
34 Chandler Parsons -0.12
35 Solomon Hill -0.13
36 Corey Brewer -0.18
37 Dillon Brooks -0.19
38 Gordon Hayward -0.21
39 Treveon Graham -0.22
40 Jake Layman -0.22
41 Dorian Finney-Smith -0.24
42 Quincy Pondexter -0.34
43 DeAndre' Bembry -0.35
44 Glenn Robinson III -0.38
45 James Ennis III -0.39
46 Nicolas Batum -0.41
47 CJ Miles -0.51
48 Evan Turner -0.53
49 Taurean Prince -0.59
50 Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot -0.59
51 Marcus Morris -0.67
52 Justin Anderson -0.73
53 Reggie Bullock -0.76
54 Wilson Chandler -0.78
55 Darius Miller -0.88
56 Justin Jackson -0.91
57 Torrey Craig -0.96
58 JaKarr Sampson -0.97
59 Luke Kennard -0.97
60 Abdel Nader -0.99
61 Caris LeVert -1.01
62 Kelly Oubre Jr. -1.01
63 Damyean Dotson -1.12
64 Carmelo Anthony -1.25
65 Josh Jackson -1.39
66 Mario Hezonja -1.44
67 Brandon Ingram -1.45
68 Bogdan Bogdanovic -1.52
69 Gerald Green -1.70
70 Terrence Ross -1.76
71 TJ Warren -1.82
72 Andrew Wiggins -2.12
73 Wayne Selden -2.26
74 Cedi Osman -2.28
75 Doug McDermott -2.40
76 Bojan Bogdanovic -2.54

SHOOTING GUARD
1 Danny Green 2.18
2 Thabo Sefolosha 2.16
3 Marcus Smart 1.09
4 Victor Oladipo 1.02
5 Iman Shumpert 0.81
6 Donovan Mitchell 0.48
7 Tomas Satoransky 0.43
8 Vince Carter 0.41
9 Josh Hart 0.39
10 Kyle Korver 0.36
11 Delon Wright 0.36
12 Garrett Temple 0.31
13 Sterling Brown -0.10
14 Kent Bazemore -0.11
15 Justin Holiday -0.20
16 Jeremy Lamb -0.27
17 David Nwaba -0.37
18 Avery Bradley -0.41
19 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope -0.46
20 Malcolm Brogdon -0.47
21 Wesley Matthews -0.51
22 Klay Thompson -0.58
23 Rodney McGruder -0.73
24 Norman Powell -0.75
25 Tony Snell -0.76
26 Seth Curry -0.77
27 Tyreke Evans -0.79
28 Bradley Beal -0.88
29 CJ McCollum -0.89
30 Courtney Lee -0.91
31 James Harden -0.92
32 Dwyane Wade -0.95
33 Jonathon Simmons -1.00
34 Pat Connaughton -1.02
35 Will Barton -1.04
36 Wayne Ellington -1.07
37 Ben McLemore -1.09
38 Dion Waiters -1.11
39 JR Smith -1.12
40 Alex Abrines -1.16
41 Gary Harris -1.16
42 Rodney Hood -1.17
43 Evan Fournier -1.22
44 DeMar DeRozan -1.23
45 Lance Stephenson -1.24
46 JJ Redick -1.29
47 E'Twaun Moore -1.36
48 Buddy Hield -1.55
49 Malik Beasley -1.61
50 Eric Gordon -1.61
51 Alec Burks -1.65
52 Patrick McCaw -1.67
53 Allen Crabbe -1.71
54 Ian Clark -1.86
55 Austin Rivers -1.91
56 Bryn Forbes -1.95
57 Joe Harris -1.98
58 Jodie Meeks -2.04
59 Terrance Ferguson -2.06
60 Tyler Dorsey -2.13
61 Nick Young -2.18
62 Tim Hardaway Jr. -2.24
63 Nik Stauskas -2.29
64 Troy Daniels -2.71
65 Marco Belinelli -2.78
66 Devin Booker -2.88
67 Jordan Clarkson -2.96
68 Zach LaVine -3.12
69 Malik Monk -3.14
70 Jamal Crawford -3.65

POINT GUARD
1 Chris Paul 1.83
2 Ricky Rubio 1.68
3 Kyle Lowry 1.13
4 Jrue Holiday 1.05
5 Eric Bledsoe 0.97
6 Patrick Beverley 0.96
7 Ben Simmons 0.91
8 Tyus Jones 0.63
9 Fred VanVleet 0.59
10 Stephen Curry 0.59
11 George Hill 0.39
12 Russell Westbrook 0.18
13 Raul Neto 0.11
14 Shaun Livingston 0.11
15 Michael Carter-Williams 0.01
16 John Wall -0.06
17 Mike Conley -0.08
18 Jeremy Lin -0.16
19 Yogi Ferrell -0.31
20 Dante Exum -0.35
21 Terry Rozier -0.42
22 Cory Joseph -0.45
23 Kris Dunn -0.46
24 Ryan Arcidiacono -0.48
25 Tyler Johnson -0.49
26 Andrew Harrison -0.51
27 Frank Ntilikina -0.51
28 Matthew Dellavedova -0.52
29 Ish Smith -0.52
30 Elfrid Payton -0.57
31 Rajon Rondo -0.57
32 Jeff Teague -0.57
33 Jerian Grant -0.64
34 T.J. McConnell -0.68
35 Langston Galloway -0.68
36 Shabazz Napier -0.75
37 Kemba Walker -0.78
38 Devin Harris -0.81
39 Tim Frazier -0.84
40 Patty Mills -0.89
41 Goran Dragic -0.90
42 Raymond Felton -0.95
43 De'Aaron Fox -1.03
44 Reggie Jackson -1.04
45 Spencer Dinwiddie -1.06
46 Cameron Payne -1.16
47 Dennis Smith Jr. -1.28
48 Damian Lillard -1.31
49 Shelvin Mack -1.34
50 Tony Parker -1.34
51 Jose Calderon -1.37
52 Darren Collison -1.51
53 Kyrie Irving -1.67
54 Jamal Murray -1.69
55 Tyler Ulis -1.80
56 Isaiah Canaan -1.89
57 D'Angelo Russell -1.89
58 Derrick Rose -2.08
59 Jerryd Bayless -2.16
60 Brandon Knight -2.16
61 J.J. Barea -2.27
62 D.J. Augustin -2.28
63 Dennis Schroder -2.40
64 Isaiah Thomas -2.56
65 Emmanuel Mudiay -2.62
66 Trey Burke -2.69
67 Quinn Cook -2.78
68 Lou Williams -2.81

[Cutter]

Interesting data from the general board as we search for pf/pg prospects

This is a cumulative ranking based on the 6 years of data on ESPN. Minimum 100 games played so no rookies.

CENTER
1 Rudy Gobert 4.34
2 Nene Hilario 3.36
3 Jusuf Nurkic 3.31
4 Nerlens Noel 3.00
5 Anthony Davis 2.98
6 DeAndre Jordan 2.97
7 Ian Mahinmi 2.96
8 Hassan Whiteside 2.96
9 Tyson Chandler 2.96
10 Joel Embiid 2.91
11 Salah Mejri 2.86
12 Zaza Pachulia 2.67
13 Joakim Noah 2.65
14 Dwight Howard 2.58
15 Nikola Jokic 2.51
16 DeMarcus Cousins 2.45
17 Marcin Gortat 2.41
18 Ekpe Udoh 2.30
19 Marc Gasol 2.29
20 Dewayne Dedmon 2.22
21 Clint Capela 2.13
22 Bam Adebayo 2.12
23 Myles Turner 2.10
24 Cody Zeller 2.07
25 Al Horford 2.01
26 Aron Baynes 2.01
27 Pau Gasol 1.92
28 Nikola Vucevic 1.91
29 Kosta Koufos 1.77
30 Kevon Looney 1.77
31 Daniel Theis 1.77
32 Ed Davis 1.72
33 Boban Marjanovic 1.64
34 Andre Drummond 1.56
35 Steven Adams 1.45
36 Ivica Zubac 1.40
37 Kyle O'Quinn 1.38
38 Brook Lopez 1.31
39 Robin Lopez 1.22
40 Jakob Poeltl 1.17
41 Alex Len 1.06
42 Domantas Sabonis 1.05
43 Gorgui Dieng 1.04
44 Jordan Bell 1.01
45 Jarrett Allen 1.00
46 Willie Cauley-Stein 0.92
47 Kelly Olynyk 0.86
48 Bismack Biyombo 0.83
49 Tyler Zeller 0.82
50 Dwight Powell 0.82
51 John Henson 0.77
52 Jonas Valanciunas 0.75
53 Greg Monroe 0.74
54 Mason Plumlee 0.63
55 Mike Muscala 0.58
56 Miles Plumlee 0.54
57 Channing Frye 0.53
58 Richaun Holmes 0.18
59 Zach Collins 0.06
60 JaVale McGee 0.01
61 Thon Maker -0.04
62 Willy Hernangomez -0.09
63 Karl-Anthony Towns -0.10
64 Meyers Leonard -0.12
65 Montrezl Harrell -0.24
66 Jason Smith -0.36
67 Cristiano Felicio -0.50
68 Jahlil Okafor -0.75
69 Frank Kaminsky -0.75
70 Deyonta Davis -0.85
71 Enes Kanter -1.68

POWER FORWARD
1 Draymond Green 4.48
2 Paul Millsap 2.73
3 Amir Johnson 2.52
4 Derrick Favors 1.91
5 Larry Nance Jr. 1.91
6 Luc Mbah a Moute 1.78
7 Kevin Love 1.67
8 Serge Ibaka 1.58
9 Taj Gibson 1.49
10 Pascal Siakam 1.34
11 LaMarcus Aldridge 1.32
12 Thaddeus Young 1.31
13 Nikola Mirotic 1.27
14 James Johnson 1.24
15 Jonathan Isaac 1.22
16 Nemanja Bjelica 1.14
17 Giannis Antetokounmpo 1.10
18 Rondae Hollis-Jefferson 1.07
19 Noah Vonleh 0.99
20 Markieff Morris 0.82
21 Blake Griffin 0.80
22 Donatas Motiejunas 0.57
23 Marvin Williams 0.54
24 Udonis Haslem 0.49
25 Davis Bertans 0.47
26 Jon Leuer 0.44
27 Jonas Jerebko 0.37
28 Jarell Martin 0.22
29 Dirk Nowitzki 0.21
30 Aaron Gordon 0.12
31 Cheick Diallo 0.07
32 Anthony Tolliver -0.07
33 Ersan Ilyasova -0.09
34 Patrick Patterson -0.09
35 Tristan Thompson -0.11
36 John Collins -0.12
37 Jerami Grant -0.16
38 Harrison Barnes -0.25
39 Juan Hernangomez -0.25
40 Quincy Acy -0.30
41 Trey Lyles -0.36
42 Semi Ojeleye -0.43
43 Dante Cunningham -0.47
44 Skal Labissiere -0.57
45 Sam Dekker -0.58
46 Kenneth Faried -0.59
47 Lauri Markkanen -0.60
48 Tobias Harris -0.65
49 JaMychal Green -0.67
50 Dragan Bender -0.71
51 Lance Thomas -0.73
52 Marquese Chriss -0.80
53 T.J. Leaf -0.90
54 Dario Saric -0.93
55 Jeff Green -0.94
56 Mike Scott -1.01
57 Michael Beasley -1.01
58 Julius Randle -1.01
59 Kyle Kuzma -1.16
60 Ryan Anderson -1.54
61 Bobby Portis -1.61
62 Jabari Parker -1.66

SMALL FORWARD
1 Robert Covington 2.75
2 Kawhi Leonard 2.33
3 Kyle Anderson 2.30
4 Al-Farouq Aminu 2.22
5 Andre Iguodala 1.96
6 Royce O'Neale 1.91
7 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist 1.81
8 LeBron James 1.53
9 Jayson Tatum 1.49
10 Paul George 1.49
11 Justise Winslow 1.45
12 Jimmy Butler 1.42
13 Jared Dudley 1.08
14 PJ Tucker 0.95
15 Luol Deng 0.91
16 Sindarius Thornwell 0.86
17 Wesley Johnson 0.78
18 DeMarre Carroll 0.74
19 Trevor Ariza 0.65
20 Otto Porter Jr. 0.55
21 Joe Ingles 0.54
22 Kevin Durant 0.46
23 Rudy Gay 0.45
24 Stanley Johnson 0.37
25 Derrick Jones Jr. 0.27
26 Jae Crowder 0.25
27 Josh Richardson 0.23
28 Jaylen Brown 0.18
29 Omri Casspi 0.16
30 Khris Middleton 0.09
31 Danilo Gallinari 0.09
32 OG Anunoby 0.05
33 Maurice Harkless -0.09
34 Chandler Parsons -0.12
35 Solomon Hill -0.13
36 Corey Brewer -0.18
37 Dillon Brooks -0.19
38 Gordon Hayward -0.21
39 Treveon Graham -0.22
40 Jake Layman -0.22
41 Dorian Finney-Smith -0.24
42 Quincy Pondexter -0.34
43 DeAndre' Bembry -0.35
44 Glenn Robinson III -0.38
45 James Ennis III -0.39
46 Nicolas Batum -0.41
47 CJ Miles -0.51
48 Evan Turner -0.53
49 Taurean Prince -0.59
50 Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot -0.59
51 Marcus Morris -0.67
52 Justin Anderson -0.73
53 Reggie Bullock -0.76
54 Wilson Chandler -0.78
55 Darius Miller -0.88
56 Justin Jackson -0.91
57 Torrey Craig -0.96
58 JaKarr Sampson -0.97
59 Luke Kennard -0.97
60 Abdel Nader -0.99
61 Caris LeVert -1.01
62 Kelly Oubre Jr. -1.01
63 Damyean Dotson -1.12
64 Carmelo Anthony -1.25
65 Josh Jackson -1.39
66 Mario Hezonja -1.44
67 Brandon Ingram -1.45
68 Bogdan Bogdanovic -1.52
69 Gerald Green -1.70
70 Terrence Ross -1.76
71 TJ Warren -1.82
72 Andrew Wiggins -2.12
73 Wayne Selden -2.26
74 Cedi Osman -2.28
75 Doug McDermott -2.40
76 Bojan Bogdanovic -2.54

SHOOTING GUARD
1 Danny Green 2.18
2 Thabo Sefolosha 2.16
3 Marcus Smart 1.09
4 Victor Oladipo 1.02
5 Iman Shumpert 0.81
6 Donovan Mitchell 0.48
7 Tomas Satoransky 0.43
8 Vince Carter 0.41
9 Josh Hart 0.39
10 Kyle Korver 0.36
11 Delon Wright 0.36
12 Garrett Temple 0.31
13 Sterling Brown -0.10
14 Kent Bazemore -0.11
15 Justin Holiday -0.20
16 Jeremy Lamb -0.27
17 David Nwaba -0.37
18 Avery Bradley -0.41
19 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope -0.46
20 Malcolm Brogdon -0.47
21 Wesley Matthews -0.51
22 Klay Thompson -0.58
23 Rodney McGruder -0.73
24 Norman Powell -0.75
25 Tony Snell -0.76
26 Seth Curry -0.77
27 Tyreke Evans -0.79
28 Bradley Beal -0.88
29 CJ McCollum -0.89
30 Courtney Lee -0.91
31 James Harden -0.92
32 Dwyane Wade -0.95
33 Jonathon Simmons -1.00
34 Pat Connaughton -1.02
35 Will Barton -1.04
36 Wayne Ellington -1.07
37 Ben McLemore -1.09
38 Dion Waiters -1.11
39 JR Smith -1.12
40 Alex Abrines -1.16
41 Gary Harris -1.16
42 Rodney Hood -1.17
43 Evan Fournier -1.22
44 DeMar DeRozan -1.23
45 Lance Stephenson -1.24
46 JJ Redick -1.29
47 E'Twaun Moore -1.36
48 Buddy Hield -1.55
49 Malik Beasley -1.61
50 Eric Gordon -1.61
51 Alec Burks -1.65
52 Patrick McCaw -1.67
53 Allen Crabbe -1.71
54 Ian Clark -1.86
55 Austin Rivers -1.91
56 Bryn Forbes -1.95
57 Joe Harris -1.98
58 Jodie Meeks -2.04
59 Terrance Ferguson -2.06
60 Tyler Dorsey -2.13
61 Nick Young -2.18
62 Tim Hardaway Jr. -2.24
63 Nik Stauskas -2.29
64 Troy Daniels -2.71
65 Marco Belinelli -2.78
66 Devin Booker -2.88
67 Jordan Clarkson -2.96
68 Zach LaVine -3.12
69 Malik Monk -3.14
70 Jamal Crawford -3.65

POINT GUARD
1 Chris Paul 1.83
2 Ricky Rubio 1.68
3 Kyle Lowry 1.13
4 Jrue Holiday 1.05
5 Eric Bledsoe 0.97
6 Patrick Beverley 0.96
7 Ben Simmons 0.91
8 Tyus Jones 0.63
9 Fred VanVleet 0.59
10 Stephen Curry 0.59
11 George Hill 0.39
12 Russell Westbrook 0.18
13 Raul Neto 0.11
14 Shaun Livingston 0.11
15 Michael Carter-Williams 0.01
16 John Wall -0.06
17 Mike Conley -0.08
18 Jeremy Lin -0.16
19 Yogi Ferrell -0.31
20 Dante Exum -0.35
21 Terry Rozier -0.42
22 Cory Joseph -0.45
23 Kris Dunn -0.46
24 Ryan Arcidiacono -0.48
25 Tyler Johnson -0.49
26 Andrew Harrison -0.51
27 Frank Ntilikina -0.51
28 Matthew Dellavedova -0.52
29 Ish Smith -0.52
30 Elfrid Payton -0.57
31 Rajon Rondo -0.57
32 Jeff Teague -0.57
33 Jerian Grant -0.64
34 T.J. McConnell -0.68
35 Langston Galloway -0.68
36 Shabazz Napier -0.75
37 Kemba Walker -0.78
38 Devin Harris -0.81
39 Tim Frazier -0.84
40 Patty Mills -0.89
41 Goran Dragic -0.90
42 Raymond Felton -0.95
43 De'Aaron Fox -1.03
44 Reggie Jackson -1.04
45 Spencer Dinwiddie -1.06
46 Cameron Payne -1.16
47 Dennis Smith Jr. -1.28
48 Damian Lillard -1.31
49 Shelvin Mack -1.34
50 Tony Parker -1.34
51 Jose Calderon -1.37
52 Darren Collison -1.51
53 Kyrie Irving -1.67
54 Jamal Murray -1.69
55 Tyler Ulis -1.80
56 Isaiah Canaan -1.89
57 D'Angelo Russell -1.89
58 Derrick Rose -2.08
59 Jerryd Bayless -2.16
60 Brandon Knight -2.16
61 J.J. Barea -2.27
62 D.J. Augustin -2.28
63 Dennis Schroder -2.40
64 Isaiah Thomas -2.56
65 Emmanuel Mudiay -2.62
66 Trey Burke -2.69
67 Quinn Cook -2.78
68 Lou Williams -2.81

I'm missing something. What is this a cumulative ranking of?

[bwgood77]

I'm missing something. What is this a cumulative ranking of?

DRPM...but I'm not sure how useful it is since it's cumulative. I think looking at the most recent season is probably better to see where people are at.

[BobbieL]

That's cool man, Nothing wrong with having differing perspectives I think.

I guess for my part, I just don't see it as such a scary risk due to a couple of considerations, Those being:

First, With him only being 31 yrs old, I personally think he fits our timeline nicely given his balanced blend of veteran tenure and playoff experience, While still having put up great numbers for the grizzlies last year. Also his passing and leadership would be a very welcome commodity on our young team.

I mean just this season he was averaging: 21 points/ 6 assists/ and 3 rebounds. Also, in a trade with Tyler Johnsons' expiring, along with TJ Warren/ We maintain our cap space, AND given the current front office instability in Memphis, Conley being unhappy with their coach being fired, their proclivity to rebuild, along with the size of Conleys' contract (*** and recent injury) also being a determining factor to his value, It really shouldn't cost us anything more than an expiring( T. Johnson) and a young promising player( Warren) to make the deal happen.

This would not only allow us to keep our lotto pick this year ( Morant or Clarke?), Or possibly trade back, ***IF a good deal is there? But it also allows us to focus the entirety of our cap space in free agency on depth at the power forward and other positions(perimeter shooting??) Maybe Aminu/Beverly or perhaps Gibson/ Collison?

And then, in another season or so, When he becomes that huge expiring, Maybe trade him for a big name max player on a comparable contract( Griffin perhaps?). I'm sure either Detroit or even Orlando might prefer a guard of Conleys' ( or Lowrys') caliber compared to what they would currently have for next season perhaps?


I also like the idea of him being able to possibly be mentor a Morant/ Garland/ or Coby White ( or whoever really) for a season or two, until that prospect is ready to take over. And again, Then you just can decide to flip him in a trade for that big piece.


However, IF the Achilles injury is just too much of an unacceptable risk to consider, As my previous trade proposals suggested, The money in a trade for Lowry also matches up nearly perfectly too. And he becomes an expiring same as Tyler Johnsons' contract would expire too next season, And also offers similiar production to boot.

So those are my basic reasons for seeing Conley ( or Lowry) as the most realistic option and best overall fit for our teams' needs currently. But also, with perspective for a bigger plan to hopefully materialize from either players' acquisition. So acceptable risk at least from my perspective. But again, I respect your differing perspective equally as well.

I agree, if he’s healthy he would be a great fit, even if he’s overpaid. I just think Achilles injuries are too scary to mess with. I think there are a lot more options at point without the risk of losing 1/3rd of our cap which would probably result in us losing Book. I think I would even prefer to just run with Tyler at point (hopefully we do better then just Tyler)

I definitely hear what you're saying man. My hope would be that our long standing reputation for having a renowned and knowledgeable medical/training staff would come into play here and that we'd be relatively sure of his durability during his contractual years here.

Otherwise we can of course explore other options as a plan B( Lowry) or plan C( Collison/ Joseph).


I, for my part, would not be so concerned about the possibility of losing Booker and having our cap space being tied up, As we'll be much more competitive and probably even fighting for the playoffs. So Booker will be satiated.

Also in becoming more competitive, We'll of course generate more revenue from more games played....in addition to increased ticket sales and t.v. revenue.

I just feel that Conley could obviously help us make the playoffs a lot easier than Tyler Johnson probably could. Which is what Booker and most of us want and hope for anyways. And this also indirectly makes us more desirable to free agents going forward as well.

Also, in trading for Conley, We exchange our two biggest contracts in Tyler Johnson and TJ Warren for a high quality player (that addresses one of our two areas of greatest need).

If need be, We've addressed our point guard issues, So even IF we miss out on Morant, We can just trade back and take Clarke or Kabengele( increasing our cap space a bit in the process).

Then we (If we so choose) could move Jackson to Indiana for McDermott or TJ leaf ( allowing us to maintain our TJ on the roster...lol)

And Indiana could probably use a defensive small forward to backup olajdipo anyways, in case of injury.

But again, trading for Conley or Lowry allows us to now use the cap space which we were going to attempt using on both positions, Solely towards our power forward position( Aminu for Bobbie L. ).

And then we can still address veteran depth with Beverly using our exceptions( MLE/ BI ANNUAL), and then resign Oubre last.

Finally, As a bonus Conley expires right around the time when Both Ayton and Bridges would be up for their extensions as well. That's 30 million off of the books, or to be used in a trade for a max player if need be.

Aminu is Week's guy - I am just riding on that band wagon

[Kerrsed]

I'm missing something. What is this a cumulative ranking of?

DRPM...but I'm not sure how useful it is since it's cumulative. I think looking at the most recent season is probably better to see where people are at.

Exactly, i mean knowing the history of a player is fine and useful in some aspects, this is a "What-Have-You-Done-For-Me-Lately" League. I could care less about what a guy did his first 5 seasons in the league, would rather know what he has done the past 3 seasons to judge what im expecting from him next season. Ive seen people on the Trade Board try to pull stuff like that, using like career stats and career injury history to make an over the hill past his prime guy seem way better than he has been for the past 2-3 years. The posted list doesnt mean a damn thing to me. Shumpert at #5....and Harden all the way down at #31? Nene as the 2nd best C? Sometimes you need to trust yourself and what you see rather than a specific list of stats put out by ESPN or any other Sports Website.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I agree, if he’s healthy he would be a great fit, even if he’s overpaid. I just think Achilles injuries are too scary to mess with. I think there are a lot more options at point without the risk of losing 1/3rd of our cap which would probably result in us losing Book. I think I would even prefer to just run with Tyler at point (hopefully we do better then just Tyler)

I definitely hear what you're saying man. My hope would be that our long standing reputation for having a renowned and knowledgeable medical/training staff would come into play here and that we'd be relatively sure of his durability during his contractual years here.

Otherwise we can of course explore other options as a plan B( Lowry) or plan C( Collison/ Joseph).


I, for my part, would not be so concerned about the possibility of losing Booker and having our cap space being tied up, As we'll be much more competitive and probably even fighting for the playoffs. So Booker will be satiated.

Also in becoming more competitive, We'll of course generate more revenue from more games played....in addition to increased ticket sales and t.v. revenue.

I just feel that Conley could obviously help us make the playoffs a lot easier than Tyler Johnson probably could. Which is what Booker and most of us want and hope for anyways. And this also indirectly makes us more desirable to free agents going forward as well.

Also, in trading for Conley, We exchange our two biggest contracts in Tyler Johnson and TJ Warren for a high quality player (that addresses one of our two areas of greatest need).

If need be, We've addressed our point guard issues, So even IF we miss out on Morant, We can just trade back and take Clarke or Kabengele( increasing our cap space a bit in the process).

Then we (If we so choose) could move Jackson to Indiana for McDermott or TJ leaf ( allowing us to maintain our TJ on the roster...lol)

And Indiana could probably use a defensive small forward to backup olajdipo anyways, in case of injury.

But again, trading for Conley or Lowry allows us to now use the cap space which we were going to attempt using on both positions, Solely towards our power forward position( Aminu for Bobbie L. ).

And then we can still address veteran depth with Beverly using our exceptions( MLE/ BI ANNUAL), and then resign Oubre last.

Finally, As a bonus Conley expires right around the time when Both Ayton and Bridges would be up for their extensions as well. That's 30 million off of the books, or to be used in a trade for a max player if need be.

Aminu is Week's guy - I am just riding on that band wagon

Nothing wrong with that man, Aminu is definitely a great and versatile defender, and I'd love to have him, if we could find a way.

I kind of see him as a slightly bigger version of Bridges. Or perhaps a better version of Luc mbah amoute?

Personally, I'd love to get some rugged, high IQ, very tenacious versatile veteran defenders ( that can hit the 3) on this team for added depth.

I'd also love to see our team transition back to a run a gun style of play, But with a trapping style of defense, that would lead to more fastbreak opportunities as well.

Either way, I wouldn't mind him on our team, If we could get him from Portland?

Any idea as to what he might command in free agency? Or if Portland has the money to retain him?

[King4Day]

Another thought would be Gallo if Clips want to move on (like if they get swept by GS).

If they are to go after 2 max contracts, they'll have to move him or let him walk. He could be obtainable for sure. His shooting would seriously help us. Could be an underrated move that could catapult our team.

What makes you think that wings with great shooting are valuable? Suns has one and everybody wants to trade him.

I think many people are still hesitant to believe Warren is the real deal with regards to his shooting. Still a semi small sample size.