2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Could he be in play as an insurance policy for Baynes leaving. But then will take over for Ayton in the event of a Ayton inclusive deal for Giannis or some other big name?

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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2911979-the-best-trade-offer-every-nba-lottery-team-could-hear-on-draft-night

Phoenix Suns receive: 
Jordan Poole and No. 2 pick

Golden State Warriors receive: 
Kelly Oubre Jr. and No. 10 pick

Patience probably isn't the easiest thing to sell in the desert. It's been two seasons since Devin Booker declared he was "done with not making the playoffs," but not even an 8-0 surge in the bubble could keep the Suns' postseason drought from reaching its 10th year.

All of that said, the Suns shouldn't rush the process. Booker is 23 years old. Deandre Ayton is 22. Mikal Bridges and Cameron Johnson are both 24. The future remains brighter than the present, but Phoenix could enhance that luminosity by adding one more high-ceiling piece.

Even in a draft as unpredictable as this, that's easier to do with the second pick than the 10th. Spend this selection wisely, and the Suns could find Booker's backcourt mate for the next decade (Ball or Edwards), or fill the forward spot with an explosive scorer (Toppin) or do-it-all glue guy (Deni Avdija).

That potential is enough for Phoenix to part ways with Valley Boyz architect Kelly Oubre Jr., who needs a new deal in 2021. That sacrifice is easier to make if the Suns see Jordan Poole boosting their bench as a spark-plug scorer and secondary distributor.

As for the Warriors, they find the two-way wing they need in Oubre, and they remain inside the top 10 to ideally bulk up next season's rotation and help support their post-Splash Brothers era.

[alamin330]

Seriously all the suns have to do this off-season is nothing. Add a vet, resign Baynes, sign and trade Saric for jerami grant. Suns should make the playoffs if they stand pat. No need to trade Kelly oubre

[cberry78]

Seriously all the suns have to do this off-season is nothing. Add a vet, resign Baynes, sign and trade Saric for jerami grant. Suns should make the playoffs if they stand pat. No need to trade Kelly oubre

Seriously, what's the point of going after Grant at all when we already have Oubre who does everything that Grant does, but better. Plus KO has brought an attitude and identity to the Suns that Grant would never be able to match.

https://stathead.com/tiny/i2QEK

I'm not even going to get into the idea of a sign and trade for Grant.

[Mr Puddles]

I agree with the standing pat sentiments.

Unless we can somehow land a clear upgrade who fits our team for pennies on the dollar - there's no reason to trade.

Suns have as good a chance as any team to get the 8th seed. Factor in the amount of players that were missing last year due to suspensions and injuries, and the suns still ended up virtually tied for the 8th spot.

The Suns should be better next year by virtue of our team gelling for another season, (hopefully) missing less time, and our young core getting a year older/more seasoned.

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Its an interesting mock, the first one ive seen that has Riller going in the 1st round, but i dont see any way that Deni goes #1.

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Its an interesting mock, the first one ive seen that has Riller going in the 1st round, but i dont see any way that Deni goes #1.

Yeah, I agree! It is interesting. And I honestly think that all the GS Deni talk is just smoke. The latest rumor out this morning I believe to be much more accurate and believable.

https://warriorswire.usatoday.com/2020/10/09/report-warriors-would-strongly-consider-florida-states-devin-vassell-in-a-trade-back-situation/

I'd have to admit that the idea of the Warriors taking Vassell would really aggravate me. Only because I have him in the Top 3. But this would inevitably push someone else down to us IF you'd consider that any kind of consolation? But then again, Perhaps the Warriors are releasing this story in order to encourage a potential trade up scenario from a team that covets Vassell ( Knicks, Suns, Wizards) ? In an effort to extract more value than what the 2nd pick currently possesses.


Still, it might be cool IF we somehow ended up with Toppin at 10, And Bane in a trade back scenario somehow? As far as Avdija is concerned though, I could only see the Warriors interest in him being predicated upon his maturity, His versatility, and playmaking in the frontcourt. But I definitely wouldn't expect them to consider him with the 2nd pick. However, In a trade back scenario with interest in additional assets perhaps?

Are there any specific prospects that you've keyed in on for us at 10, or in a trade back? What are your thoughts on Reggie Perry? Possibly in a Bam Adebayo 2.0 type of playmaking role? If we took Bane at 10, Could he be a good compliment to him as well as Ayton perhaps?

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Could Justinian Jessop be another solid value consideration as an elite perimeter shooter in the late 2nd to undrafted range? Perhaps he could develop into a Duncan Robinson type of player for some team? ( perhaps us)? He'll be a G league candidate for a yr or two until he gets stronger, more polish to his game. But he could develop into an impact player on the cheap?

https://ahbanalytics.wordpress.com/2020/04/10/scouting-report-justinian-jessup-4-9-20/

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https://heatcheckcbb.com/2020-nba-mock-draft-latest-picks-projections/

10) Phoenix Suns – Desmond Bane, SG, TCU
Phoenix is looking for shooting and general manager James Jones has said he prefers an older, more experienced college player. Those desires have led them to Bane, one of the fastest-rising prospects in this draft due to his size (6-6, 215 lbs) and consistent shooting stroke (43.3 percent from three for college career).

I'm cool with Bane, Although I'm not sure how I'd feel about passing on Toppin for Baynes IF he was actually there on the board with him at 10. At that point, I might strongly consider Taking Toppin, And then looking to move Oubre to Orlando for the 15th and 45th pick? Or to Dallas for Wright/ 18/31st pick ( To secure Bane). Then at 31, Take Oturu or Killian Tillie to replace Baynes leaving?

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[Saberestar]

According to multiple league sources, the Warriors believe Vassell is the top wing defender in this draft and would strongly consider him if they trade back to the 5-10 range. There is an outside chance that Golden State could even take him at No. 2 if it doesn’t receive an enticing offer to move down.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/warriors/article/Why-Warriors-might-be-considering-drafting-15631976.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Premium

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Its an interesting mock, the first one ive seen that has Riller going in the 1st round, but i dont see any way that Deni goes #1.

Yeah, I agree! It is interesting. And I honestly think that all the GS Deni talk is just smoke. The latest rumor out this morning I believe to be much more accurate and believable.

https://warriorswire.usatoday.com/2020/10/09/report-warriors-would-strongly-consider-florida-states-devin-vassell-in-a-trade-back-situation/

I'd have to admit that the idea of the Warriors taking Vassell would really aggravate me. Only because I have him in the Top 3. But this would inevitably push someone else down to us IF you'd consider that any kind of consolation? But then again, Perhaps the Warriors are releasing this story in order to encourage a potential trade up scenario from a team that covets Vassell ( Knicks, Suns, Wizards) ? In an effort to extract more value than what the 2nd pick currently possesses.


Still, it might be cool IF we somehow ended up with Toppin at 10

I'll be pretty surprised if Toppin is there at 10, but it wouldn't surprise me that much if he was and we didn't take him...and not because we didn't like him but more because we were not anticipating that and were already locked into someone else or some sort of trade down scenario.

I think sometimes they might jump the gun a bit on things based on assumptions rather than consider all potential scenarios. Of course I may be completely off on this but several things have made me wonder this.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Its an interesting mock, the first one ive seen that has Riller going in the 1st round, but i dont see any way that Deni goes #1.

Yeah, I agree! It is interesting. And I honestly think that all the GS Deni talk is just smoke. The latest rumor out this morning I believe to be much more accurate and believable.

https://warriorswire.usatoday.com/2020/10/09/report-warriors-would-strongly-consider-florida-states-devin-vassell-in-a-trade-back-situation/

I'd have to admit that the idea of the Warriors taking Vassell would really aggravate me. Only because I have him in the Top 3. But this would inevitably push someone else down to us IF you'd consider that any kind of consolation? But then again, Perhaps the Warriors are releasing this story in order to encourage a potential trade up scenario from a team that covets Vassell ( Knicks, Suns, Wizards) ? In an effort to extract more value than what the 2nd pick currently possesses.


Still, it might be cool IF we somehow ended up with Toppin at 10

I'll be pretty surprised if Toppin is there at 10, but it wouldn't surprise me that much if he was and we didn't take him...and not because we didn't like him but more because we were not anticipating that and were already locked into someone else or some sort of trade down scenario.

I think sometimes they might jump the gun a bit on things based on assumptions rather than consider all potential scenarios. Of course I may be completely off on this but several things have made me wonder this.

This draft is truly so unpredictable, Especially with no tournaments, Combines, Team exhibitions, Workouts for the prospects to create distance/ separation in the rankings. For now, everything is just so fluid, Based upon very limited information and more on percieved upside. Having said that, would you in a scenario wherein Toppin actually fell to 10, Be willing to move Oubre to either Orlando for the 15th pick, Or to Dallas for Delon Wright ( contract) and the 18/31 ( To draft Bane)? Then maybe take Tillman or Tille at 31? ( Baynes replacement).

Or perhaps to Minnesota for James Johnson/ 17/ 33 To be able to walk out of draft night with Toppin/ Bane/ a center or point guard prospect? To be clear, I'd love to take Bane, But just don't know if I could really be ok passing on Toppin IF he actually fell to us. And the idea of getting both Toppin AND Bane, Is really a tantalizing and intriguing combination for me.

[bwgood77]

Yeah, I agree! It is interesting. And I honestly think that all the GS Deni talk is just smoke. The latest rumor out this morning I believe to be much more accurate and believable.

https://warriorswire.usatoday.com/2020/10/09/report-warriors-would-strongly-consider-florida-states-devin-vassell-in-a-trade-back-situation/

I'd have to admit that the idea of the Warriors taking Vassell would really aggravate me. Only because I have him in the Top 3. But this would inevitably push someone else down to us IF you'd consider that any kind of consolation? But then again, Perhaps the Warriors are releasing this story in order to encourage a potential trade up scenario from a team that covets Vassell ( Knicks, Suns, Wizards) ? In an effort to extract more value than what the 2nd pick currently possesses.


Still, it might be cool IF we somehow ended up with Toppin at 10

I'll be pretty surprised if Toppin is there at 10, but it wouldn't surprise me that much if he was and we didn't take him...and not because we didn't like him but more because we were not anticipating that and were already locked into someone else or some sort of trade down scenario.

I think sometimes they might jump the gun a bit on things based on assumptions rather than consider all potential scenarios. Of course I may be completely off on this but several things have made me wonder this.

This draft is truly so unpredictable, Especially with no tournaments, Combines, Team exhibitions, Workouts for the prospects to create distance/ separation in the rankings. For now, everything is just so fluid, Based upon very limited information and more on percieved upside. Having said that, would you in a scenario wherein Toppin actually fell to 10, Be willing to move Oubre to either Orlando for the 15th pick, Or to Dallas for Delon Wright ( contract) and the 18/31 ( To draft Bane)? Then maybe take Tillman or Tille at 31? ( Baynes replacement).

Or perhaps to Minnesota for James Johnson/ 17/ 33 To be able to walk out of draft night with Toppin/ Bane/ a center or point guard prospect? To be clear, I'd love to take Bane, But just don't know if I could really be ok passing on Toppin IF he actually fell to us. And the idea of getting both Toppin AND Bane, Is really a tantalizing and intriguing combination for me.

I don't have as much information on Oubre, but from what I know, I wouldn't trade him for any of those things. I don't even think Orlando could absorb the cap space anyway.

If Oubre wanted out (of which I see no indication of), or if they are determined to trade him to create cap space to sign someone else like they did with Warren, then of course, getting something for him, especially a pick where we could get a guy like Bane, then of course, I'd rather do that than trade him in a similar deal like we did TJ.

[Kerrsed]

There is no way Toppin falls to us at #10. With so many unknowns in this draft he is a relatively "Known".

2020 National College Player of the Year
2020 Consensus first-team All-American
2020 Karl Malone Award (Top PF in NCAA)
2020 Atlantic 10 Player of the Year

There is no player in the draft that is Elite on both ends of the floor. There are a handful that are elite on offense and a handful that are elite on defense. Then you have a couple handfuls that are "ok" or "decent" in both categories. Teams will grab a player that they know has at least one elite talent. He is Amare. You can see it in all the footage. I know you cant compare NCAA stats to NBA stats, but let me just say that Toppins stats are almost exactly the same as Amare's second season with us (Except Toppins percentages are much much higher).

I can see teams taking Ball/Edwards/Wiseman/Okongwu/Haliburton/Avdija over Toppin based on age and potential. I can maybe see Hayes in that list as well. I dont believe Okoro should at all. So you would need all those guys to be taken, along with 2 of Vassell/Nesmith/Achiuwa/Smith/Anthony in order for Toppin to fall for us, and Toppin is and was better than a majority of those names and showed it.

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[cberry78]

There is no way Toppin falls to us at #10. With so many unknowns in this draft he is a relatively "Known".

2020 National College Player of the Year
2020 Consensus first-team All-American
2020 Karl Malone Award (Top PF in NCAA)
2020 Atlantic 10 Player of the Year

There is no player in the draft that is Elite on both ends of the floor. There are a handful that are elite on offense and a handful that are elite on defense. Then you have a couple handfuls that are "ok" or "decent" in both categories. Teams will grab a player that they know has at least one elite talent. He is Amare. You can see it in all the footage. I know you cant compare NCAA stats to NBA stats, but let me just say that Toppins stats are almost exactly the same as Amare's second season with us (Except Toppins percentages are much much higher).

I can see teams taking Ball/Edwards/Wiseman/Okongwu/Haliburton/Avdija over Toppin based on age and potential. I can maybe see Hayes in that list as well. I dont believe Okoro should at all. So you would need all those guys to be taken, along with 2 of Vassell/Nesmith/Achiuwa/Smith/Anthony in order for Toppin to fall for us, and Toppin is and was better than a majority of those names and showed it.

Totally, 1000% agree. Toppin is probably the only player in the draft I would trade up for....even up to #2.

This draft is severely lacking in "home run" talent, every player has serious, obvious question marks about them, whether it's shooting, D, passion, BBIQ, etc., but Toppin at least has the accolades that shows he should translate well into the NBA.