The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1

[BobbieL]

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GoK - go back a few pages - I thought of this last night when I saw the news about FVV

My trade was FVV, Jabari Smith and at least one of those Suns FRPs for Durant. FVV can either be a large expiring in 2026 or they can extend him a year so that... If they take the long route with Beal, and somehow move Allen and O'Neale for expirings by 2027 - Suns will be flush with cap space. Which is why stretching him for five years makes no sense. Just buy him to get enough under the apron level this summer and go with it. Be done with Beal in two years.

[Slim Charless]

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Guess I'd do that. Houston won't if we jump up in the lotto. Let's pray we stay at 9 or even drop some.

I'll also want Whitmore.

[Puff]

If we could Trade KD for VanVleet, our Draft picks and other filler while not picking up VanVleet's 41Mil option that would open us up to make other moves in free agency to improve the roster while getting a very good player in the upcoming draft, that is if we can get this years draft pick back in the trade.

I think Miami could be where KD will end up. I just hope it is Ware and a good draft pick this year along with whatever filler it will take to make the deal.

However based on the press conference I think Gregory's goal is to get a coach that will work best for KD, Booker and Beal. I will not be surprised if all three of them are back next year.

[bwgood77]

The reason we won't trade Booker is simple. To trade Booker is to tank, and we can't tank because we don't own our picks.

Houston is the only team that can give us any value back in a Booker deal, since our remainder of WAS's swap rights have been re-swapped by us into worthlessness - WAS couldn't give us our pick back if they wanted to! If we try to tank without first getting a substantial amount of our picks back, we destroy any leverage to get them back in the future as they would become too valuable. In other words, we have to try to win as much as possible to maintain at least some leverage in negotiations to get our picks back, which is a precondition for rebuilding.

I don't think an NBA franchise has ever been as stuck as the Phoenix Suns are right now.

I still can't believe we traded our '31 to the Jazz for three borderline SRPs. I lost a lot of faith in the organization that day - and in so many strangers online who seemed to think it was a good deal.

Booker breaking all kinds of Suns records will be the only thing for us to cheer for over the next several years.

Yeah, the rationale why we can't tank is right, which is why i only bring up Houston. Mainly because I know they have heavy interest in Book and they have our unprotected picks. At least this year, in 27 and 29.

I would trade him for those three, a couple prospects and filler (FVV or Brooks or maybe Green) or even the latter 2 and one of Houston's. However, if we don't trade with Houston, unless we had some crazy good package elsewhere I can see holding onto Book next year, since we don't have our 26 pick (nor does Houston). So even a trade with Houston wouldn't get us our pick. But if we are terrible next year, or even just borderline play in, I would see if Houston would do the 27/29/Houston 1st/ and the players...maybe whoever they get this year, Eason or maybe Smith and Whitmore or Reed Sheppard plus the big filler contract. Though I think FVV might be expiring so it would have to be at the deadline or he couldn't be part of it. That would give us a ton of cap space though...get us under the apron, get picks, players, etc plus whatever we get for KD and with our late picks.

The rockets just pushed back the option to pick up FVV. It’s 44m .. club option.

What about FVV Smith and a couple FRPs for Durant

FVV gets his 44m and a huge expiring

Granted Rockets might be looking at other options

If it's our own picks, yeah. I don't really see them wanting KD that much though. Seems more likely it might be Brooks, unless they would move Brooks to the 2 and play KD a the 3.

[BobbieL]

If we could Trade KD for VanVleet, our Draft picks and other filler while not picking up VanVleet's 41Mil option that would open us up to make other moves in free agency to improve the roster while getting a very good player in the upcoming draft, that is if we can get this years draft pick back in the trade.

I think Miami could be where KD will end up. I just hope it is Ware and a good draft pick this year along with whatever filler it will take to make the deal.

However based on the press conference I think Gregory's goal is to get a coach that will work best for KD, Booker and Beal. I will not be surprised if all three of them are back next year.

I don't think you can make trades anymore like that where the player has an option -- and you trade for them and waive them. The Suns would have to pick up the option on FVV

Plus, I think for one year, FVV would have value next to Booker

I just don't think there is a coach who can maximize Book, KD and Beal as they don't complement each other well at all. Book and Durant are too similar. One of them needs to go.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[lilfishi22]

What we are going to realize, is that old man KD won't fetch us much. Its a lose lose

He'll fetch us nothing when he walks in a year's time

[BobbieL]

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Again, Beal is not worth parting with two FRPs for

I don't mind the other trade except for Miles Bridges

But Beal is more valuable with cap space

[bullsaficianado]

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Again, Beal is not worth parting with two FRPs for

I don't mind the other trade except for Miles Bridges

But Beal is more valuable with cap space

Might as well keep Beal if we have to part with two FRP's to get rid of him.

Beal turned the Suns into the Wizards.

[lilfishi22]

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Again, Beal is not worth parting with two FRPs for

I don't mind the other trade except for Miles Bridges

But Beal is more valuable with cap space

I'd give up one crappy FRP

[Saberestar]

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Again, Beal is not worth parting with two FRPs for

I don't mind the other trade except for Miles Bridges

But Beal is more valuable with cap space

Might as well keep Beal if we have to part with two FRP's to get rid of him.

Beal turned the Suns into the Wizards.

That hypothetical trade for Beal is TOO GOOD for the Suns, not happening.

Imagine getting back Jerami Grant, KCP and Goga Bitadze for Beal + 2027 and 2029 superlow FRPs. Those picks will be somewhere 27-30 with all those swaps. And Bitadze had a career year.

[Ghost of Kleine]

What we are going to realize, is that old man KD won't fetch us much. Its a lose lose

He'll fetch us nothing when he walks in a year's time

Somewhat true in that it'd be a major asset acquisition loss for us, but still, having his 54 million coming off the books in the summer of 26' and free agency having some very intriguing names in unrestricted free agency like:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/_/year/2026/type/ufa

James, Van Vleet, Irving, Harden, Ayton, McCollum, Fox, Middleton, Porzingis, Randle, Jackson Jr, Harris, Simons, J Collins, MIKAL BRIDGES, Aaron Gordon, Vucevic, Smart, Barnes, Robinson, Powell, Sexton, Z Collins, Nurkic, Hachimura, PJ Washington, Huerter, Clarkson, Reid, Mitchell Robinson, Finney Smith, Gafford, Melton, Holmes, Portis, Thybulle, Kleber, Conley, and many others!

And then the following summer in 27' Beal's 57 million would come off of our books and that's an even more loaded free agency

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/_/year/2027/type/ufa

with huge names throughout all tiers (one such being Cam Johnson), Toumani Camara, Lou Dort, D Brooks, Hartenstein, etc and many, many others. So worst case scenario might actually not be all that worst case actually IF our front office could possibly utilize a modicum of actual strategic planning??

[Ghost of Kleine]

Again, Beal is not worth parting with two FRPs for

I don't mind the other trade except for Miles Bridges

But Beal is more valuable with cap space

Might as well keep Beal if we have to part with two FRP's to get rid of him.

Beal turned the Suns into the Wizards.

That hypothetical trade for Beal is TOO GOOD for the Suns, not happening.

Imagine getting back Jerami Grant, KCP and Goga Bitadze for Beal + 2027 and 2029 superlow FRPs. Those picks will be somewhere 27-30 with all those swaps. And Bitadze had a career year.

Bidatze is for his part likely too good for the reasons that you've mentioned, But as for J Grant and KCP, both are players that their respective teams would love to get off of if possible! Portland has been super disappointed with J J Grant and has deep regrets over signing him to that long term money. They really want to move him. And Orlando would love to get off of KCPs' money because he's also been a major disappointment for them too! And they'd really prefer almost anyone who can shoot well!

But yeah, Bidatze wouldn't be a likely inclusion unless Richards was at least coming back for additional cost controlled depth.

[Mr Puddles]

I'm wondering if we can snatch Precious away from the Knicks. He's buried on the bench behind Robinson and Town and would get major minutes on the Suns. He's a high energy versatile defender.

He becomes a free agent this offseason after signing a one year, 6 mil deal with the Knicks.

The only downside would be having to hear Ann Meyers Drysdale say "gesundheit" every time Kevin Ray goes "another hustle play by 'Achiuwa! '"

[lilfishi22]

What we are going to realize, is that old man KD won't fetch us much. Its a lose lose

He'll fetch us nothing when he walks in a year's time

Somewhat true in that it'd be a major asset acquisition loss for us, but still, having his 54 million coming off the books in the summer of 26' and free agency having some very intriguing names in unrestricted free agency like:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/_/year/2026/type/ufa

James, Van Vleet, Irving, Harden, Ayton, McCollum, Fox, Middleton, Porzingis, Randle, Jackson Jr, Harris, Simons, J Collins, MIKAL BRIDGES, Aaron Gordon, Vucevic, Smart, Barnes, Robinson, Powell, Sexton, Z Collins, Nurkic, Hachimura, PJ Washington, Huerter, Clarkson, Reid, Mitchell Robinson, Finney Smith, Gafford, Melton, Holmes, Portis, Thybulle, Kleber, Conley, and many others!

And then the following summer in 27' Beal's 57 million would come off of our books and that's an even more loaded free agency

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/_/year/2027/type/ufa

with huge names throughout all tiers (one such being Cam Johnson), Toumani Camara, Lou Dort, D Brooks, Hartenstein, etc and many, many others. So worst case scenario might actually not be all that worst case actually IF our front office could possibly utilize a modicum of actual strategic planning??

Not getting anything for KD would be a major loss for us. With how few attractive tradeable assets we have left, it would be complete mismanagement to get nothing from KD's departure, including if he just walks for cap space.

[Calvin Klein]

I understand wanting to trade Booker but the hate he is getting after all these years is insane.

[garrick]

Mikail's defense showing the Knicks made the right choice trading for him.

His offense is always going to be shaky but he's a great glue guy and never misses any games and you just can't find players like that very easily.

[lilfishi22]

1-2 Seed in the East both down 0-2 at home is nuts.

[Mr Puddles]

I understand wanting to trade Booker but the hate he is getting after all these years is insane.

It's funny how people talk about playoff Murray, meanwhile Booker's playoff numbers tower over his...

But according to the GB, Booker is a glorified third option because the Suns had a disappointing season.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I'm wondering if we can snatch Precious away from the Knicks. He's buried on the bench behind Robinson and Town and would get major minutes on the Suns. He's a high energy versatile defender.

The only downside would be having to hear Ann Meyers Drysdale say "gesundheit" every time Kevin Ray goes "another hustle play by 'Achiuwa! '"

I believe he's an unrestricted free agent though this summer?