Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum

MrMiyagi · Post #1661 » by **MrMiyagi** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:49 pm

DirtyDez wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:Why are the Pacers rebuilding? And why wouldn't Paul George be a part of that plan?

They're not rebuilding atm but they should be. A mediocre team in the East with a maxed out payroll. Ew.

Blow it up.

West and Hill are really the only two that would need to be moved. Hibbert maybe, but why give up a 26/27 year-old 7'2 defensive anchor?

Their situation is much more similar to Chicago's. Could you imagine the Bulls if they would have freaked out and decided to trade Rose and Noah and Taj? That would've been ridiculous. They were patient and got rid of a massive contract (Boozer) so they could improve. West and Hill fit those descriptors for the Pacers.

thamadkant · Post #1662 » by **thamadkant** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:11 pm

1. Sullinger is comparable to Kieff now and will likely surpass him. Geez some of you guys need to watch more games other than Suns games. Kieff has improved this year but if he is your best big man then your team isn't very good.

2. David Lee is unwanted in GSW because he is overpaid and declining. At half his current salary he would be worthy of consideration, but at 15 million... No way.

3. Bledsoe is the Suns best player overall, If only he would take care of the ball more.
2 triple doubles already this year... And would easily put up 20ppg if he was the main ball handler, basically just like Dragic last year but Bledsoe would also be a defensive powerhouse.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1663 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:33 pm

I don't think West and Hill are that good. If I were Larry, I'd seriously consider trying to initiate a rebuild using PG on draft day. A lot of quality young talent - of which Indiana has very little - sitting on benches around the league, including ours.

DirtyDez · Post #1664 » by **DirtyDez** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:49 pm

MrMiyagi wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:Why are the Pacers rebuilding? And why wouldn't Paul George be a part of that plan?

They're not rebuilding atm but they should be. A mediocre team in the East with a maxed out payroll. Ew.

Blow it up.

West and Hill are really the only two that would need to be moved. Hibbert maybe, but why give up a 26/27 year-old 7'2 defensive anchor?

Their situation is much more similar to Chicago's. Could you imagine the Bulls if they would have freaked out and decided to trade Rose and Noah and Taj? That would've been ridiculous. They were patient and got rid of a massive contract (Boozer) so they could improve. West and Hill fit those descriptors for the Pacers.

I don't know what their situation has to do with Chicago. Indiana is maxed out and they're not even a playoff team in the east. Even with George the Pacers are significantly worse than Chicago at 4 positions and HC.

thamadkant · Post #1665 » by **thamadkant** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:52 pm

With that said, Len is putting up 14ppg 12rpg 4.5bpg per 36 minutes... So assuming he continues to manage his fouls better and he approach 30 mins a game... he is likely to be a 11ppg 10rpg 3bpg player...

The problem is the Suns need a really good box-out type PF or atleast off-the bench PF who can come in and be a wall in the paint, which will help Len grab more boards and block more shots from the weak side.

Zelaznyrules · Post #1666 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:56 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:OK. I take it back. Markieff isn't clearly the better player. He is working well within our system currently, though, and I don't think he and Sullinger could coexist on the same roster for long. Markieff's 3P% is trending upwards, though. I think I still prefer Kieff for his mobility, speed and durability in comparison to Sullinger's size advantage. Because the Morrises combined I think are clearly > Sullinger, I remain uninterested in him.

I'd much rather have Keef than Sullinger. Performance wise it's probably close and Sullinger's age might even put him in front but his injury history and the fear he's about to eat himself out of the league makes it an easy call for me.

Matt1979 · Post #1667 » by **Matt1979** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 10:21 pm

News Update: Lakers have claimed Tariq Black and waived Xavier Henry

Saberestar · Post #1668 » by **Saberestar** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 10:29 pm

I think that Sullinger is a real bad defender, it is easy to see that with a simple eye test. Markieff is mobile and agile at least and has quickness on his side (a ton of steals), Sullinger is slow and has no lift at all. Glenn Davis 2.0

jredsaz · Post #1669 » by **jredsaz** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:10 pm

I have watched Montiejunas on multiple occasions and he is not a game changer, at least not right now. I would consider a Dragic for DMo/New Orleans 1st (2015) in February if we are on the outside looking in. But if that trade happens then you are looking at a power house in HOU for the next 3-4 years.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1670 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:15 pm

Probably wise to save Dragic trade talk til the summer.

thamadkant · Post #1671 » by **thamadkant** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:26 pm

Saberestar wrote:I think that Sullinger is a real bad defender, it is easy to see that with a simple eye test. Markieff is mobile and agile at least and has quickness on his side (a ton of steals), Sullinger is slow and has no lift at all. Glenn Davis 2.0

You're entitled to your opinion and that's fine.

But I was also a bit doubtful a year ago, but my friend is a hardcore Celtics fan and I was exposed to a lot of celtics games when I hang with him and from that I started watching some celtics games, in my opinion Sullinger plays closer to David Lee and Kevin Love than Glenn Davis. He isn't explosive but he boxes out well, strong down low so he can get a shot up against taller guys. He has range and good rebounding fundamentals.

It's not far to say he will be a 17/10 type player by the time he is 24-25 years old and if he stays healthy enough.
Markieff is a 17/7 player... He is not a gifted rebounder nor good at it but he has isolation skills...

Sullinger is a harder player to defend inside, whilst Markieff's mobility allows him to draw his man out and finish at the rim when he gets an open lane.

In summary, Sullinger is a good player that can get better. Provides the typical big man numbers.

YouTube · Post #1672 » by **Kerrsed** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:03 am

The funny thing about Motie is that Rockets fans were declaring him a bust (which he somewhat was) and were including him in EVERY trade proposal they made. They were complaining how he was a huge soft Euro that couldnt defend or rebound and had only so-so offensive skills. Then Jones went down and Motie stepped in and took his place, had a decent month of playing, and NOW Rockets fans are saying he is untouchable to trades.

Its amazing how much of a difference a month makes.

NTB · Post #1673 » by **NTB** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:04 am

Sullinger is a very good fit to us IMO. He can play as stretch 4 and also has an inside presence and rebounding. Poor man's Kevin Love.

Frank Lee · Post #1674 » by **Frank Lee** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:36 am

yup NTB...

I don't get the Keif vs Sullinger debate. Its a Keif/marcus (or who ever our back up PF is) vs Keif/Sullinger. Its depth at the PF position we lack. Don't knucklehead this into 'one is better than the other' or 'they can't play together' debate.

Sullinger is a big big body... 260-270 and he might be pry-able from Boston for what we can afford to give up.

Like that Monte kid too, but fat chance on appeasing Hou GM w/o including Dragic. Not willing to pay that price for a back up C/PF.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1675 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:41 am

Frank Lee wrote:yup NTB...

I don't get the Keif vs Sullinger debate. Its a Keif/marcus (or who ever our back up PF is) vs Keif/Sullinger. Its depth at the PF position we lack. Don't knucklehead this into 'one is better than the other' or 'they can't play together' debate.

Sullinger is a big big body... 260-270 and he might be pry-able from Boston for what we can afford to give up.

Like that Monte kid too, but fat chance on appeasing Hou GM w/o including Dragic. Not willing to pay that price for a back up C/PF.

Nothing knuckleheaded about it. Can't pay and play everyone. Sullinger is not the right answer given our circumstances.

jredsaz · Post #1676 » by **jredsaz** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:55 am

cosmofizzo wrote:Probably wise to save Dragic trade talk til the summer.

Dragic will be a free agent this summer.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1677 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:57 am

jredsaz wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:Probably wise to save Dragic trade talk til the summer.

Dragic will be a free agent this summer.

Yes.

YouTube · Post #1678 » by **Kerrsed** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 3:34 am

cosmofizzo wrote:
jredsaz wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:Probably wise to save Dragic trade talk til the summer.

Dragic will be a free agent this summer.

Yes.

I agree.

Revived · Post #1679 » by **Revived** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:18 am

1UPZ wrote:With that said, Len is putting up 14ppg 12rpg 4.5bpg per 36 minutes... So assuming he continues to manage his fouls better and he approach 30 mins a game... he is likely to be a 11ppg 10rpg 3bpg player...

The problem is the Suns need a really good box-out type PF or atleast off-the bench PF who can come in and be a wall in the paint, which will help Len grab more boards and block more shots from the weak side.

Taj Gibson is the answer.

One of the best defensive big men in the game.

Revived · Post #1680 » by **Revived** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:19 am

Kerrsed wrote:The funny thing about Motie is that Rockets fans were declaring him a bust (which he somewhat was) and were including him in EVERY trade proposal they made. They were complaining how he was a huge soft Euro that couldnt defend or rebound and had only so-so offensive skills. Then Jones went down and Motie stepped in and took his place, had a decent month of playing, and NOW Rockets fans are saying he is untouchable to trades.

Its amazing how much of a difference a month makes.

Funnier that they think Motiejnas has more value than Dragic.