Devin Booker

JMac1 · Post #1661 » by **JMac1** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 5:22 am

1 piece down..........

RaisingArizona · Post #1662 » by **RaisingArizona** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 6:07 am

JMac1 wrote:1 piece down..........

We have a legit star and a #1 option which is the hardest to obtain. Warren is probably a 3rd option. We need a 2nd option like a Cousins and we'll be in business. (playoffs with youth)

jcsunsfan · Post #1663 » by **jcsunsfan** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 6:23 am

ginobiliflops wrote:
JMac1 wrote:1 piece down..........

We have a legit star and a #1 option which is the hardest to obtain. Warren is probably a 3rd option. We need a 2nd option like a Cousins and we'll be in business. (playoffs with youth)

We have lots of options to try to hit that second option.

Draft. Free agency. Lots of assets for trade (including Warren).

Nobody has said much about Warren's defense tonight, but it was solid. He had his hands on a lot of passes.

Bogyo · Post #1664 » by **Bogyo** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 12:55 pm

Imagine what this dude will do between the ages of 24 and 30...

Post #1665 » by **Qwigglez** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 6:23 pm

Bogyo wrote:Imagine what this dude will do between the ages of 24 and 30...

Probably tired of the timeline by then and we'll end up replicating the Kings with Boogie.

RaisingArizona · Post #1666 » by **RaisingArizona** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 6:30 pm

Qwigglez wrote:
Bogyo wrote:Imagine what this dude will do between the ages of 24 and 30...

Probably tired of the timeline by then and we'll end up replicating the Kings with Boogie.

Forget the timeline. When you have a star in his prime, you go for it. If you don't you pay dearly for it. I suspect there's been a change in plans.

Post #1667 » by **Qwigglez** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 6:37 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
Bogyo wrote:Imagine what this dude will do between the ages of 24 and 30...

Probably tired of the timeline by then and we'll end up replicating the Kings with Boogie.

Forget the timeline. When you have a star in his prime, you go for it. If you don't you pay dearly for it. I suspect there's been a change in plans.

I pray we changed plans. Do we really need 5 picks in this upcoming draft? What happens if BPA is a SG/SF? I'm so worried we will end up drafting for need and take a bust. Or end up doing something stupid again like go PF/PF on our 1st two picks.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1668 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 6:44 pm

Qwigglez wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
Probably tired of the timeline by then and we'll end up replicating the Kings with Boogie.

Forget the timeline. When you have a star in his prime, you go for it. If you don't you pay dearly for it. I suspect there's been a change in plans.

I pray we changed plans. Do we really need 5 picks in this upcoming draft? What happens if BPA is a SG/SF? I'm so worried we will end up drafting for need and take a bust. Or end up doing something stupid again like go PF/PF on our 1st two picks.

Pretty sure the plan has been to build around Booker since about midway through his rookie season... Pretty sure that is, in fact, the timeline...

RaisingArizona · Post #1669 » by **RaisingArizona** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 6:51 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:Forget the timeline. When you have a star in his prime, you go for it. If you don't you pay dearly for it. I suspect there's been a change in plans.

I pray we changed plans. Do we really need 5 picks in this upcoming draft? What happens if BPA is a SG/SF? I'm so worried we will end up drafting for need and take a bust. Or end up doing something stupid again like go PF/PF on our 1st two picks.

Pretty sure the plan has been to build around Booker since about midway through his rookie season... Pretty sure that is, in fact, the timeline...

He was viewed as someone who can be a part of it. He wasn't viewed as a legit 1st team All NBA type of player which he very likely grows into here shortly. Abandon ship on being good in 3 years if you want to keep Booker. We need to be relevant next year.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1670 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 7:01 pm

Well a key aspect of making the win now trade is that vet wanting to play here. If booker can keep this up that will certainty help that aspect of the equation and make it a more realiatic option. Lets not gloss over the fact that just wasnt the case this past summer, its not like kyrie and george were trying to come here and in fact a vet they had in bledsoe wanted out.

I still think landing one more young star is ideal before going win now but its getting closer to that shift.

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ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1671 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 7:04 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
I pray we changed plans. Do we really need 5 picks in this upcoming draft? What happens if BPA is a SG/SF? I'm so worried we will end up drafting for need and take a bust. Or end up doing something stupid again like go PF/PF on our 1st two picks.

Pretty sure the plan has been to build around Booker since about midway through his rookie season... Pretty sure that is, in fact, the timeline...

He was viewed as someone who can be a part of it. He wasn't viewed as a legit 1st team All NBA type of player which he very likely grows into here shortly. Abandon ship on being good in 3 years if you want to keep Booker. We need to be relevant next year.

I don't know what you mean.

Were you hoping to "tank" this year? Or next year? We won last night playing Devin Booker, TJ Warren, Marquese Chriss, Dragan Bender and Tyler Ulis. That's the plan.

Post #1672 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 7:43 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:
Pretty sure the plan has been to build around Booker since about midway through his rookie season... Pretty sure that is, in fact, the timeline...

He was viewed as someone who can be a part of it. He wasn't viewed as a legit 1st team All NBA type of player which he very likely grows into here shortly. Abandon ship on being good in 3 years if you want to keep Booker. We need to be relevant next year.

I don't know what you mean.

Were you hoping to "tank" this year? Or next year? We won last night playing Devin Booker, TJ Warren, Marquese Chriss, Dragan Bender and Tyler Ulis. That's the plan.

We have Booker for a good 5-6 years minimum. He's not shortly on pace to be legit 1st all team NBA. He is comparable offensively to three premier MVP talents in their 3rd year as I mentioned with my last post in the game thread http://bkref.com/tiny/2V8j1 except for on defense.

These guys are legit superstars. Booker and Curry didn't make all first team NBA until their 6th year, and Harden his 5th year.

Lets see if he can make 3rd team All NBA for starters. That would be a nice step this year, though it will be tough.

We need to put a team around him that can compete for a long time. Not patch one together that can get the 7th or 8th seed before they get too old and we need to go to plan E.

jeff2020 · Post #1673 » by **jeff2020** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 8:35 pm

Qwigglez wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
Probably tired of the timeline by then and we'll end up replicating the Kings with Boogie.

Forget the timeline. When you have a star in his prime, you go for it. If you don't you pay dearly for it. I suspect there's been a change in plans.

I pray we changed plans. Do we really need 5 picks in this upcoming draft? What happens if BPA is a SG/SF? I'm so worried we will end up drafting for need and take a bust. Or end up doing something stupid again like go PF/PF on our 1st two picks.

If we can get Ayton, Bagley, Porter (see what happens with surgery) or maybe Sexton I say we have to take it. If not I'm fine moving the pick or picks and trying to acquire a proven 2nd level player to play alongside Booker and who knows, maybe a 7th seed will net a free agent in the years to come because we are actually trying to win.

NTB · Post #1674 » by **NTB** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 9:47 pm

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sunsbum · Post #1675 » by **sunsbum** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 10:56 pm

Booker has the entire NBAs attention now.

In2ition · Post #1676 » by **In2ition** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 11:26 pm

sunsbum wrote:Booker has the entire NBAs attention now.

I'm pretty sure with the way teams have been trying to guard him, face guarding, holding, denying him the ball, double teaming him at every moment on PnR situations, that he's had their attention all season. If they can limit his touches, make him turn it over, turn him into an inefficient shooter, and try to get him into foul trouble, they've essentially shut down the Suns and can live with anyone else getting 20+.

Post #1677 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 11:53 pm

Qwigglez wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
Probably tired of the timeline by then and we'll end up replicating the Kings with Boogie.

Forget the timeline. When you have a star in his prime, you go for it. If you don't you pay dearly for it. I suspect there's been a change in plans.

I pray we changed plans. Do we really need 5 picks in this upcoming draft? What happens if BPA is a SG/SF? I'm so worried we will end up drafting for need and take a bust. Or end up doing something stupid again like go PF/PF on our 1st two picks.

I've been arguing for this while Timeliners still talk about the 1000 picks we have in the drafts to come. I get their argument but I feel like there's already a change in the timeline which they don't take into account and that's Booker and TJ's (to a lesser extent) emergence as legit players. They are both young and from an age standpoint, fit the timeline, but I think it's a mistake to not capitalize on their emergence and start building a competitive roster for them to continue to develop into all-stars.

I really think it's a mistake to focus so much on the hope that we can get the next star from our young guys or the picks we have over the next few years and while we have Booker and TJ balling, ready to compete at the next level and assume Booker/TJ are going to be satisfied with the tank. I'm not suggesting we should sell off all our assets to duct tape together some semblance of a competitive team but I believe the focus/plan needs to change because no one really thought Booker would come into his own this quickly and early in his career. Now that Booker is playing at an all-star level, we need to reevaluate our plan.

sunsbum · Post #1678 » by **sunsbum** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 12:08 am

In2ition wrote:
sunsbum wrote:Booker has the entire NBAs attention now.

I'm pretty sure with the way teams have been trying to guard him, face guarding, holding, denying him the ball, double teaming him at every moment on PnR situations, that he's had their attention all season. If they can limit his touches, make him turn it over, turn him into an inefficient shooter, and try to get him into foul trouble, they've essentially shut down the Suns and can live with anyone else getting 20+.

I guess I should have expanded on that comment. By NBA I mean everything that comes with it. The fans that were calling his 70 point game (Terrance ross?)Esque are bending at the knee. This is the first time I've heard in unison "Ok Devin Booker is the real deal" across the board. People are now arguing that he's better than Klay Thompson (not suns fans). Remember when we just hoped he would be a klay lite? Feels good.

In2ition · Post #1679 » by **In2ition** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 5:03 am

sunsbum wrote:
In2ition wrote:
sunsbum wrote:Booker has the entire NBAs attention now.

I'm pretty sure with the way teams have been trying to guard him, face guarding, holding, denying him the ball, double teaming him at every moment on PnR situations, that he's had their attention all season. If they can limit his touches, make him turn it over, turn him into an inefficient shooter, and try to get him into foul trouble, they've essentially shut down the Suns and can live with anyone else getting 20+.

I guess I should have expanded on that comment. By NBA I mean everything that comes with it. The fans that were calling his 70 point game (Terrance ross?)Esque are bending at the knee. This is the first time I've heard in unison "Ok Devin Booker is the real deal" across the board. People are now arguing that he's better than Klay Thompson (not suns fans). Remember when we just hoped he would be a klay lite? Feels good.

It feels good not to have to argue with idiots who spout off and under sold him. I swear I spent half my summer trying to explain to NBA fans on twitter that they don't know what they are talking about as they said that he wasn't actually any good, he's peaked already, that no name chumps are better than him, that his ceiling is middle of the road SG that hopes to some day become efficient, and he clearly can't do anything but shoot with volume.

Post #1680 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 7:13 am

God help us if it lingers for that long and past this season. The worst part to me other than that possibility is that I think he was making real progress this year under Triano and getting on a roll, and this halts that. Time missed at this particular moment, especially if it lasts long, really hurts his development at a very important time in his career. Luckily he is so young, so if he fully recovers he has plenty of time to continue his early development. I don't know if this hurts development for other players as well, but they certainly all will need to step up. It's really also too bad Davon Reed is out too. JJ should get plenty of opportunity now to continue his development, so I hope he uses it wisely, but with his work ethic I don't doubt that.

I just really hope Booker recovers fully quickly and gets back out there. For those who judge Booker without watching him (those outside of this forum and non Suns fans), even from a pure numbers perspective, which is what the non Suns fans likely use more to judge, I was looking earlier and offensively he had surpassed Beal (who's been playing very well), Lillard and McCollum (with his shooting percentages), players all of which are quite a bit older, which was really impressive. He has made MAJOR strides this season.

When will Booker hit 8,000 career points?