Suns Offseason Thread V: I Am My Brother's Kieffer

[kennydorglas]

Come on, Van Gundy.
Send us Stanimal for Keef. PLEASE

[No-Man]

The only realistic trade with Detroit is something like Ilyasova, Dinwiddie and 2nd round pick.

[DRK]

Post that Stanley Johnson for Markieff trade on the Pistons board and we'd be Pist-on.

[Fo-Real]

The only realistic trade with Detroit is something like Ilyasova, Dinwiddie and 2nd round pick.

Find a team that wants Dinwiddie and the two seconds see what they would give up for them and we can talk later. Hell, even include Archie to that third team to get something worth it.

[Saberestar]

The only realistic trade with Detroit is something like Ilyasova, Dinwiddie and 2nd round pick.

Ilyasova is not better than Teletovic...probably slightly better, but not more than that.

Not a good defender by any means, decent player who can be really good coming from the bench like a third big on a playoff team.

I think we can trade Markieff for a better package at this point.

[Walt_Uoob]

I think Markieff Morris has been chatting with Pistons "staff" during his practice sessions with Marcus Morris over there.
Pistons like him for sure IMO..... he suits Drummond. A jump shooting, perimeter-biased PF will suit Drummond.... with Markieff improving his 3pt range he is a shoe in.

The "bad" boy image suits them too, the fans embrace that over there lol, reminds them of the glory days.


The price for Markieff is Stanley Johnson, throw Tucker and take back Ilyasova. Suns can even throw a future protected pick as steak knives.....

Stanley Johnson would be a SF/PF for the Suns IMO, he can dribble a bit too... Pistons with Jennings/Jackson, Caldwell-Pope, Morris twins and Drummond can make the playoffs over there and again... they suit Drummond and Stan Van Gundy's system of big man inside surrounded by jump shooters.

Assuming everyone has their price and the core of the deal is Keef + Tucker for Johnson + Illy, what kind of draft picks do we think would be required to make that deal happen, and what would be too much to keep you from pulling the trigger?

I'd include Cleveland's 2016 pick and one other first, preferably our own 2016 pick (with Booker, Goodwin, Warren, Len, and Johnson all on the roster, we wouldn't need to add more youth with a 2016 pick). If they prefer, I'd definitely do our own 2017 pick or the Heat 2018 pick instead. I'd like to hold onto that unprotected Heat 2021 pick but it's probably not a deal-breaker.

DET seems very high on Johnson but they could challenge for home court in the East playoffs after that trade, and with two firsts coming back it's not like they'd be mortgaging their whole future to do so.

And I think we'd still be in the playoff hunt too. Bled/Knight/Warren/Illy/Chandler with a bench of Goodwin/Booker/Johnson/Teletovic/Len. Would probably be another 8th-10th place finish but it would be worth it to add Johnson to our young core and clear out some of the tension / personality issues. We'd be a serious up-and-coming team with Bled/Knight/Warren/Johnson/Len as our core.

What do you all think?

[Grots]

You're not getting Stanley. Zero chance.

[Saberestar]

You're not getting Stanley. Zero chance.

This. The guy is an amazing talent and has put 25 points efficiently in his first game with the pros.

[jcsunsfan]

Maybe Illy and picks, but I am not sure what that really gives us. We would basically have three of the same player in Illy, Tele, and Leuer.

No way that the Pistons would or should include Stanley Johnson in a trade. He is going to be very good. Marcus started against the Pacers, but Johnson was clearly the much, much, better player. Its going to be interesting to see how Marcus handles getting beat out of the starting spot by a rookie.

[RaisingArizona]

lol, everyone acts like Stanley is untouchable in a deal. I get that he went to Arizona, but jeeze.

[jcsunsfan]

lol, everyone acts like Stanley is untouchable in a deal. I get that he went to Arizona, but jeeze.

I don't care where he went to school. I am not an Arizona fan. All I am looking at is how he performed in summer league, camp, and preseason now. They are very high on him, and I would too. They are higher on Stanley Johnson than we are on Booker and I don't think I would trade Booker for Kieff at this moment. That's just the way it is at this point with promising rookies. If Johnson's play settles down after a month or so, then maybe, just maybe, he might be available.

[bwgood77]

lol, everyone acts like Stanley is untouchable in a deal. I get that he went to Arizona, but jeeze.

For **** Markieff he is. He's probably not untouchable for some super talent or high upside talent.

[NavLDO]

Per @Vincent_Ellis56, Pistons are keeping an eye on Markieff situation, but #Suns aren’t interested right now and have a high asking price.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ValleyoftheSuns/status/651527366754353153

I think this is a case where McD wouldn't trade Kieff for Stanley Johnson, and SVG wouldn't trade Johnson for Kieff. The problem is, only one of the two is being reasonable in that scenario...in otherwords, I wouldn't expect Kieff to be traded anytime soon. McD has some kind of irrational 'love' for Markieff's game--one that the rest of the league doesn't share.

It would have to be something like this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pf9o9k3

With us giving up our 2016 top 10 protected 1st, which again, McD is not likely to deal. In fact McD probably covets Len more than Drummond...

It is entirely possible that McD is trying to "play up" Kieff's value, and he doesn't really hold him in that high regard, but McD's actions tell a different story.

[SideSwipe]

Kieff+ Warren for Ily+ Johnson?

Don't think I'd do that, but you've got to give to get.

Also, am I the only that thinks Johnson is more of a supersized 2 than even a 3 or 4? He's 6'6" if I remember, and very quick and he likes to operate from the outside in, with the ball in his hands I think. With his defense he could be a good backcourt mate for Bled....

[TeamTragic]

Kieff+ Warren for Ily+ Johnson?

Don't think I'd do that, but you've got to give to get.

Also, am I the only that thinks Johnson is more of a supersized 2 than even a 3 or 4? He's 6'6" if I remember, and very quick and he likes to operate from the outside in, with the ball in his hands I think. With his defense he could be a good backcourt mate for Bled....

The rage is building on this side of the keyboard. **** NO.

[jcsunsfan]

Per @Vincent_Ellis56, Pistons are keeping an eye on Markieff situation, but #Suns aren’t interested right now and have a high asking price.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ValleyoftheSuns/status/651527366754353153

I think this is a case where McD wouldn't trade Kieff for Stanley Johnson, and SVG wouldn't trade Johnson for Kieff. The problem is, only one of the two is being reasonable in that scenario...in otherwords, I wouldn't expect Kieff to be traded anytime soon. McD has some kind of irrational 'love' for Markieff's game--one that the rest of the league doesn't share.

It would have to be something like this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pf9o9k3

With us giving up our 2016 top 10 protected 1st, which again, McD is not likely to deal. In fact McD probably covets Len more than Drummond...

It is entirely possible that McD is trying to "play up" Kieff's value, and he doesn't really hold him in that high regard, but McD's actions tell a different story.

I think you are wrong here. McD would trade Kieff for Johnson in a second.

[bwgood77]

Kieff+ Warren for Ily+ Johnson?

Don't think I'd do that, but you've got to give to get.

Also, am I the only that thinks Johnson is more of a supersized 2 than even a 3 or 4? He's 6'6" if I remember, and very quick and he likes to operate from the outside in, with the ball in his hands I think. With his defense he could be a good backcourt mate for Bled....

He can play 2-4..he was even playing some 1 because they were decimated at PG. Best freshman I've ever seen at AZ (that's a good list...Aaron Gordon, Bibby, Richard Jefferson, Damon Stoudamire, Jason Terry, Brian Williams aka Bison Dele, etc)..and he had that will to win. He is one of those guys that plays better in big moments.

Warren is probably my favorite Sun right now, but Johnson's skill set is more suited for the nba. He can do everything and nail the 3.

But it doesn't matter. I don't think either side does that trade. SVG wants 3 pt shooters and he LOVES Stanley Johnson. And the Suns want to compete now and McD probably loves Warren. He likely wants a solid young player with 4-5 years under his belt at least if he's going to trade Kieff, and currently I don't see a deal out there.

Right now it looks like they plan on keeping him. I'm pretty sure they will until at least Dec 15th.

[NTB]

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2015/10/07/markieff-morris-aims-earn-suns-fans-favor/73531008/

Hmm. Interesting. Should we believe him?

[bwgood77]

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2015/10/07/markieff-morris-aims-earn-suns-fans-favor/73531008/

Hmm. Interesting. Should we believe him?

Whether or not we believe him or don't believe him is irrelevant. Whatever will happen will happen. I can speak for letsgosuns though. He DOES NOT believe this loser.

[Saberestar]

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2015/10/07/markieff-morris-aims-earn-suns-fans-favor/73531008/

Hmm. Interesting. Should we believe him?

I like that mentality, good job Markieff.