Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion #5: A Serving of Irving?

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Some of the comments made by David Griffin on Kyrie Irving makes me want to trade for him again.

"I see this as him looking for a fit for himself, to take the next step in his career. I think this is a guy who wants to know how good he can be. LeBron casts a very large shadow over an organization. And most of it is really, really positive. You know you are expected to win a championship by way of example. But what that doesn't always allow is for a player like Kyrie to test his boundaries and see how good he can really be, and can I really be the frontman of a team like that."

I think Kyrie maybe seems himself as a Steph Curry kind of player. Curry was the key that made the 2014-15 Warriors win a championship, I look back at that team and wonder how the hell did they win it all.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/2015.html
Draymond was their third leading scorer averagin 11 points, 9 boards, and only 4 assist. Good assists for a big man, but not what he posts today.
Again looking back at that team, they won 67 games with a 26 year old Curry, 24 year old Klay, 24 year old Draymond, 22 year old Barnes. They had decent vets around with Bogut, Iggy, Lee, and LB, but none of those guys had championship caliber experience.

I could really see us having a pretty comparable team just younger if we were to trade for Kyrie by only giving up Bledsoe/Chriss and picks.

Curry = Irving
Klay = Booker
Green = Bender
Iggy = Jackson
Barnes = Warren
Bogut = Chandler
Lee = Dudley
Speights = Williams
Livingston = Ulis


And no, I'm not saying our guys are equally as skilled as those guys at this point in their career, I was just making a team comparison that I feel McD is trying to blueprint the Warriors.

That's still a great core and that's without Chriss or Miami 1st.

For sure, and I believe we'd be in a position to go after top free agents this next offseason. Imagine if we sneak into the playoffs while the Pelicans miss it. That might be enough for Boogie to jump ship and possibly join our fantastic four.

[Frank Lee]

Try to map out McDs strategy for the best team NEXT yr..... one avenue certainly includes DMC. McD tried with a couple home run swings this year (Griffin? Kyrie? Who knows?) as well as the past (LMA)... ... but nothing panned out. Seems like keeping Bled to sign Boogie would be on his top 3 list for competing 2018-19. We'll have the space, and the supporting cast if we dont get stupid. No need to deal just to deal.

This year looks like a bag job, hoping a few more dudes improve enough to be a piece or two away.

[NavLDO]

Some of the comments made by David Griffin on Kyrie Irving makes me want to trade for him again.

"I see this as him looking for a fit for himself, to take the next step in his career. I think this is a guy who wants to know how good he can be. LeBron casts a very large shadow over an organization. And most of it is really, really positive. You know you are expected to win a championship by way of example. But what that doesn't always allow is for a player like Kyrie to test his boundaries and see how good he can really be, and can I really be the frontman of a team like that."

I think Kyrie maybe seems himself as a Steph Curry kind of player. Curry was the key that made the 2014-15 Warriors win a championship, I look back at that team and wonder how the hell did they win it all.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/2015.html
Draymond was their third leading scorer averagin 11 points, 9 boards, and only 4 assist. Good assists for a big man, but not what he posts today.
Again looking back at that team, they won 67 games with a 26 year old Curry, 24 year old Klay, 24 year old Draymond, 22 year old Barnes. They had decent vets around with Bogut, Iggy, Lee, and LB, but none of those guys had championship caliber experience.

I could really see us having a pretty comparable team just younger if we were to trade for Kyrie by only giving up Bledsoe/Chriss and picks.

Curry = Irving
Klay = Booker
Green = Bender
Iggy = Jackson
Barnes = Warren
Bogut = Chandler
Lee = Dudley
Speights = Williams
Livingston = Ulis


And no, I'm not saying our guys are equally as skilled as those guys at this point in their career, I was just making a team comparison that I feel McD is trying to blueprint the Warriors.

I get your point, and McD may very well be attempting to follow that footprint, but your ages are off. So, we'd actually be looking at 2018-19 season for our first series triumph, and here's how the ages would fall out; of course by then these players will likely change quite a bit, but assuming we win the NBA Championship in 2019

Curry (27) = Irving (27)
Klay (25) = Reed (23/24) - turns 24 end of Finals
Green (25) = Warren (25)
Iggy (31) = Millsap (31)
Barnes (23) = Jackson (22)
Bogut (30) = Williams (26)
Lee (32) = Dudley (33)
Livingston (29) = James (28)
Speights (27) = Cousins (28) (Projection - )

So,assuming we traded Chriss, that leaves:

Bender, Ulis, Jones Jr. to account for, and my guess is that two of them are significant in our run. Not to mention, four of our players above, are still younger, while two are older, and they aren't even our key players.We are still missing Bender, Ulis, Jones Jr., and should still have a draft pick or two.

Millsap, James, likely Dudley, are not key, of course, but they are the ones that match up age-wise, where Bender and Ulis do not, which is kind of my point. we are at least 2, if not 3 years from this master plan.

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How quick does New Orleans panic if they're not doing well next year?

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How quick does New Orleans panic if they're not doing well next year?

Why would a team with a superstar like Cousins not do well ?

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How quick does New Orleans panic if they're not doing well next year?

Why would a team with a superstar like Cousins not do well ?

But that was thicc boogie not slim boogie. It's a new era.

[LukasBMW]

Looking at the trade machine... man there are some horrible teams out there. Dallas, Brooklyn, Detroit, Atlanta, Orlando, US. Its not the year to consider a Tank repeat as it will likely occur naturally. .

All the reason to punt and trade Bledsoe early in the season if we can get a young PG with potential in return.

Removing Bledsoe from the team makes us bottom 5. Might as well pull the trigger on that if we can't land Kyrie in the off season and aren't magically in the playoff hunt after 15-20 games.

I'd hate the play into the 6-12 lotto range playing Bledsoe/Chandler heavy minutes when we can finish bottom 5 letting our youngsters run the show.

[BobbieL]

I'd trade Bledsoe for Ntilikina straight off.

With Knicks over the cap - hard to make a deal with them straight up

Its like Thomas, Kuz and Frank N for Bledsoe

Lance Thomas has three years left 7m per or around there
Not the worst deal - but eats a bit into the cap in year 3. Granted, so would Bled or Irving

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[Damkac]

If the expansion draft was tomorrow, what 7 players would you protect?

Me:

Bledsoe
Ulis
Booker
Warren
Jackson
Bender
Chriss

That leaves Knight, Chandler, Dudley, Sauce, Len, Reed, and Jr unprotected.

Of the above, I'd think Chandler, Len, and Knight could be most likely to be picked up.

That is the only way I see this.

[King4Day]

How quick does New Orleans panic if they're not doing well next year?

I could see them wait until New Years. If they are under .500 and maybe 4 or 5 games behind the 8th spot, and all this while the team is healthy, they will probably attempt to make a move. Question is, is it worth deakling Cousins for what will probably be a protected first or a low end prospect?

I'd deal them the Miami pick and Warren for him if he commits to re-sign long term. That's likely more than they'll get from anyone else and gives them a solid piece to pair with Davis.

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[JJ13]

pretty funny to see this on the homepage of CNN

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2726269-cavs-trying-to-find-next-kyrie-while-hoping-they-can-keep-the-one-they-have?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

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[Phystic]

How quick does New Orleans panic if they're not doing well next year?

I could see them wait until New Years. If they are under .500 and maybe 4 or 5 games behind the 8th spot, and all this while the team is healthy, they will probably attempt to make a move. Question is, is it worth deakling Cousins for what will probably be a protected first or a low end prospect?

I'd deal them the Miami pick and Warren for him if he commits to re-sign long term. That's likely more than they'll get from anyone else and gives them a solid piece to pair with Davis.

Warren and a likely late 1st rounder for Cousins WITH longterm commitment? Come on thats a horrible offer and not close to the best they'd get.

[King4Day]

How quick does New Orleans panic if they're not doing well next year?

I could see them wait until New Years. If they are under .500 and maybe 4 or 5 games behind the 8th spot, and all this while the team is healthy, they will probably attempt to make a move. Question is, is it worth deakling Cousins for what will probably be a protected first or a low end prospect?

I'd deal them the Miami pick and Warren for him if he commits to re-sign long term. That's likely more than they'll get from anyone else and gives them a solid piece to pair with Davis.

Warren and a likely late 1st rounder for Cousins WITH longterm commitment? Come on thats a horrible offer and not close to the best they'd get.

You're right. If any team can get a commitment then they will get some better offers.
But with the little time they'd have left, how many teams would offer a piece the Pels could add to their core and under control?
So many people here are hell bent on not moving warren, yet when he's added in a deal, he's not considered valuable.

Not sure what it'd take to get him then without a commitment but it won't be much. Probably better for the Pels to just ride the season out and hope for the best.

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pretty funny to see this on the homepage of CNN

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2726269-cavs-trying-to-find-next-kyrie-while-hoping-they-can-keep-the-one-they-have?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Did you see the offer? Bledsoe and a pick is what he thinks gets it done. No mention of other players attached to the deal. If so, that would be very interesting. Maybe PHX #1 top 10 protected this year, top 7 next year, then open in 2020. I'd rather make it a pick swap myself, so we still have two first round picks to trade next summer.

Bledsoe/PHX #1 (top 7)
Kyrie/CLE #1 (top 20)

CLE saves money and gets a good pick. PHX gets a younger, higher ceiling and still gets a pick back. Very simple deal to execute.

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