Season speculation, free agency, and trade ideas: #ValleyBoyz rise up

[lilfishi22]

If they are to go after 2 max contracts, they'll have to move him or let him walk. He could be obtainable for sure. His shooting would seriously help us. Could be an underrated move that could catapult our team.

What makes you think that wings with great shooting are valuable? Suns has one and everybody wants to trade him.

I think many people are still hesitant to believe Warren is the real deal with regards to his shooting. Still a semi small sample size.

Because the guy that is paid $11m a year and puts up an effieicnt 20ppg (per36) with a 3PT shot apparently isn't doing enough

I like to think about this when it comes to TJ, he isn't everything we wish he was (passing, defense, shot creation etc) but for what he is, he's damn good at it. Even if he isn't a star, he's still a really good role player and on NBA teams you need guys who plays their role well.

[Crives]

What makes you think that wings with great shooting are valuable? Suns has one and everybody wants to trade him.

I think many people are still hesitant to believe Warren is the real deal with regards to his shooting. Still a semi small sample size.

Because the guy that is paid $11m a year and puts up an effieicnt 20ppg (per36) with a 3PT shot apparently isn't doing enough

I like to think about this when it comes to TJ, he isn't everything we wish he was (passing, defense, shot creation etc) but for what he is, he's damn good at it. Even if he isn't a star, he's still a really good role player and on NBA teams you need guys who plays their role well.

Offensively he should be more then a role player. By the numbers it’s arguably that Warren is a better offensive player then borderline stars like Tobias Harris. And Warren has shown growth every year, I think it’s reasonable to expect further improvements the next few years.

If Warren was on Nash’s Suns I bet he’s an all star and no one would want to trade him. When we start winning Warren is gonna start getting a lot of recognition around the league.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

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Hopefully it's the start of us never hearing from sarver again. Best thing he could do is just distance himself from the org and sign some checks and make some money.

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[Crives]

This is why I don’t want Conley. Achilles injuries are scary.

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[Kerrsed]

Looks like we are interested in going after IT in the offseason. Thomas was spotted in town today putting up shots at the Suns practice facility .

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[lilfishi22]

Looks like we are interested in going after IT in the offseason. Thomas was spotted in town today putting up shots at the Suns practice facility .

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Damn IT still got it!

[cberry78]

Looks like we are interested in going after IT in the offseason. Thomas was spotted in town today putting up shots at the Suns practice facility .

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I always thought he had a prettier shot than that.

[Saberestar]

Thoughts on Ed Davis as a FA this off season? I saw his name on the list of available PF's a few weeks ago that someone posted and he seems like he could be the same kind of influence as Crawford is/was. Steady player who knows his role and also fills a need. How much will he cost next year?

I like Ed Davis, but he is strictly a C nowadays. He never plays PF anymore (like Faried).

He would be the perfect backup C for us, he is one of the best rebounders in the league and he is better defensively and smarter with the ball than Holmes. The guy doesn't commit mistakes.

Other name that I want to comment is JaMychal Green.

He IS a PF who is very good on defense and he is tough. He is a good 3p shooter and probably is the most realistic target for us in FA at that position. He will be 29 next season, I would be OK giving to him a $24M / 3 years contract.

James Jones said in a recent interview that we are gonna try to get a PF with his profile...

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[bigfoot]

Thoughts on Ed Davis as a FA this off season? I saw his name on the list of available PF's a few weeks ago that someone posted and he seems like he could be the same kind of influence as Crawford is/was. Steady player who knows his role and also fills a need. How much will he cost next year?

I like Ed Davis, but he is strictly a C nowadays. He never plays PF anymore (like Faried).

He would be the perfect backup C for us, he is one of the best rebounders in the league and he is better defensively and smarter with the ball than Holmes. The guy doesn't commit mistakes.

Other name that I want to comment is JaMychal Green.

He IS a PF who is very good on defense and he is tough. He is a good 3p shooter and probably is the most realistic target for us in FA at that position. He will be 29 next season, I would be OK giving to him a $24M / 3 years contract.

James Jones said in a recent interview that we are gonna try to get a PF with his profile...

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Need to add a tougher dimension next to Ayton? Even Jones thinks Ayton is soft.

[BobbieL]

I think many people are still hesitant to believe Warren is the real deal with regards to his shooting. Still a semi small sample size.

Because the guy that is paid $11m a year and puts up an effieicnt 20ppg (per36) with a 3PT shot apparently isn't doing enough

I like to think about this when it comes to TJ, he isn't everything we wish he was (passing, defense, shot creation etc) but for what he is, he's damn good at it. Even if he isn't a star, he's still a really good role player and on NBA teams you need guys who plays their role well.

Offensively he should be more then a role player. By the numbers it’s arguably that Warren is a better offensive player then borderline stars like Tobias Harris. And Warren has shown growth every year, I think it’s reasonable to expect further improvements the next few years.

If Warren was on Nash’s Suns I bet he’s an all star and no one would want to trade him. When we start winning Warren is gonna start getting a lot of recognition around the league.

With the thought that the Suns will bring back Oubre and Bridges -- to me it makes Josh redundant and the player to go. Warren puts the ball in teh basket Anybody see Sweet Lou last night - professional scorer. TJ Warren can be a professional scorer.

But with that - the Suns are in a tough position with cap space. Especially if they keep Tyler - which they should. So, how do they get the cap space to get a PG and PF? Maybe they draft a PG or PF? That still doesn't leave much for the other position of need, maybe the MLE is used or there 7-8m of cap space.

The draft is kind of weak so its hard to think somebody will want the Suns pick - unless its 2 or 3. Maybe they can take the 2 or 3 pick, move back, attach Josh and get a future pick and a top 10 pick. This would free up 10m or so of cap space to be used for this summer. Who knows. Warren might be the best player to trade to make the moves they need to make. Though as stated - my preference would be to move the non Zion FRP pick, than Josh (if you are keeping Oubre) and finally Warren.

[Wilber85]

This is why I don’t want Conley. Achilles injuries are scary.

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Achilles and Quads are two different things

[BobbieL]

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Hopefully it's the start of us never hearing from sarver again. Best thing he could do is just distance himself from the org and sign some checks and make some money.

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Exactly. I wish somebody would put Sarver on a boat for the next three months with no cell service. Maybe the SSS Minnow with the Skipper and Gillian. His last message is - you can spend 5m over the cap. Or you can spend right up to the cap. Whatever. Just leave the city and come back on or around July 15 - after the draft and free agency. Thank you!

[WeekapaugGroove]

Thoughts on Ed Davis as a FA this off season? I saw his name on the list of available PF's a few weeks ago that someone posted and he seems like he could be the same kind of influence as Crawford is/was. Steady player who knows his role and also fills a need. How much will he cost next year?

I like Ed Davis, but he is strictly a C nowadays. He never plays PF anymore (like Faried).

He would be the perfect backup C for us, he is one of the best rebounders in the league and he is better defensively and smarter with the ball than Holmes. The guy doesn't commit mistakes.

Other name that I want to comment is JaMychal Green.

He IS a PF who is very good on defense and he is tough. He is a good 3p shooter and probably is the most realistic target for us in FA at that position. He will be 29 next season, I would be OK giving to him a $24M / 3 years contract.

James Jones said in a recent interview that we are gonna try to get a PF with his profile...

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Yeah Green would be a good under the radar target.

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[Crives]

This is why I don’t want Conley. Achilles injuries are scary.

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Achilles and Quads are two different things

Everything in the body is connected. A serious injury in one area can lead to other areas as the player unnaturally adjusts their body movements to maintain balance after an injury.

[WeekapaugGroove]

This is why I don’t want Conley. Achilles injuries are scary.

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Achilles and Quads are two different things

Everything in the body is connected. A serious injury in one area can lead to other areas as the player unnaturally adjusts their body movements to maintain balance after an injury.

You're not wrong about injuries in one area leading to future injuries in another. Now I will say it's worse for cousins being a big dude and one that's never been great about staying in shape. I unfortunately think we've seen the best of boogie and he'll never be the same.

Conley has never been the healthiest guy in general so there is risk there. At the right asset cost I'd be willing to take that risk but there's definitely a price that Memphis could ask for that I'd walk away from the table. It's only a two year commitment so that negates some of the risk but on the flip side with his age and the fact that he's only under contract for two years he's only a temporary solution at the PG so I wouldn't sell the farm for him.

Add- Right now I think it's really hard to predict what Memphis will do with him. The lotto could clarify that some. If they get jumped by any team 9-14 and their pick moves to the 9 slot it goes to Boston and I think Memphis is far more likely to shop Conley because they can rebuild without fear of giving up too good of a pick to Boston in the next 2 years plus they won't have a 1st rounder so could look to jump into the draft. Or if Memphis jumps up to 2 and is in line to get Ja then I think they shop Conley now and cash in while his value is high. But on the flip side if they won the lotto and got Zion I think they keep Conley and try to win right away. If they simply stay at 8 and keep their pick I could see it go either way, they might still try to win because they owe that pick to Boston or they might just say screw it and deal Conley.

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[Frank Lee]

Ed Davis , Jaymike Green, Kliebber, Theis, TYoung, Moute, Faried, ..... are these guys starters ??

There is not but a few PF FAs that I'd want over Warren and his short comings.
Randle, Mirotic, Aminu, ... are there any others ? Harris likely not, nor Parker.

It might be difficult for significant improvement at PF through free agency. I wouldnt count on it.

Best case is drafting Zion.... #2 would be signing Aminu or Randle/Mirotic... 3rd may be drafting Clarke or some other sleeper and start TJ.

Outside shot, Big Swing Bower goes after a 'Love' type PF, like he did with Griffin.... and that would at least cost Warren plus some picks.

[Crives]

Ed Davis , Jaymike Green, Kliebber, Theis, TYoung, Moute, Faried, ..... are these guys starters ??

There is not but a few PF FAs that I'd want over Warren and his short comings.
Randle, Mirotic, Aminu, ... are there any others ? Harris likely not, nor Parker.

It might be difficult for significant improvement at PF through free agency. I wouldnt count on it.

Best case is drafting Zion.... #2 would be signing Aminu or Randle/Mirotic... 3rd may be drafting Clarke or some other sleeper and start TJ.

Outside shot, Big Swing Bower goes after a 'Love' type PF, like he did with Griffin.... and that would at least cost Warren plus some picks.

Vonleh/Kleber could be other options.

My favorites for starting position (I want Bender as our backup 4)
1.Zion
2. Gordon via trade
3. Clarke
4. Aminu
5. Kleber
6. Bender
7. Vonleh
8. Oubre (maybe?)

[WeekapaugGroove]

Good franchises find the under appreciated or blocked guys and bring them in on a bargain deals that pay huge dividends if they work out. Situation is often a huge determining factor for players on the margins and there are guys who will be available this summer that can help. The key is having a front office that can identify them and coaching staff that plays them to their strengths allowing their game to blossom.

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[BobbieL]

Ed Davis , Jaymike Green, Kliebber, Theis, TYoung, Moute, Faried, ..... are these guys starters ??

There is not but a few PF FAs that I'd want over Warren and his short comings.
Randle, Mirotic, Aminu, ... are there any others ? Harris likely not, nor Parker.

It might be difficult for significant improvement at PF through free agency. I wouldnt count on it.

Best case is drafting Zion.... #2 would be signing Aminu or Randle/Mirotic... 3rd may be drafting Clarke or some other sleeper and start TJ.

Outside shot, Big Swing Bower goes after a 'Love' type PF, like he did with Griffin.... and that would at least cost Warren plus some picks.

Maybe not scoring but defense, rebounding are other aspects of the game. The Suns need a guy that can defend and rebound. WArren is a good solid candidate for 6th man. Even better than Tyler.

I agree best case is Zion but Aminu or Thad Young would be solid 4's in the rotation.

As far as draft pick - probably will be playing for another team IF the Suns are going to do what they need to do. I would rather dump a FRP in this draft and keep Warren than vice versa. I know what Warren can give me . And the Suns need to move forward. Not wait for another rookie.