The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens!

[SkyBill40]

Lakers picking up Smart really sucks for us. He would have been a nice fit here, but clearly they aren't interested in actual positional fit and are okay with forcing it instead.

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I mean Shams reported that Phoenix was trying to get him to sign here. You may be right that they are ok with forcing things that are unadvisable but I dont think trying and failing to recruit Smart is the thing that proves it.

Of course not. They just don't seem to have any desire, again, to sign for a position of need. I get there's not much out there as far as PG goes, but are they even looking? Or have they just settled?

I'm not sold on Kuminga being the answer for us either, and I especially disagree with his contract value. Getting him is going to put us right back into an apron situation. We need to see what we can do with what we have or play it smart and see what becomes available. If we're going to make a trade, I'd prefer it be O'Neale sent out.

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[dremill24]

Lakers picking up Smart really sucks for us. He would have been a nice fit here, but clearly they aren't interested in actual positional fit and are okay with forcing it instead.

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I mean Shams reported that Phoenix was trying to get him to sign here. You may be right that they are ok with forcing things that are unadvisable but I dont think trying and failing to recruit Smart is the thing that proves it.

Of course not. They just don't seem to have any desire, again, to sign for a position of need. I get there's not much out there as far as PG goes, but are they even looking? Or have they just settled?

I'm not sold on Kuminga being the answer for us either, and I especially disagree with his contract value. Getting him is going to put us right back into an apron situation. We need to see what we can do with what we have or play it smart and see what becomes available. If we're going to make a trade, I'd prefer it be O'Neale sent out.

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I hear you, I just found it a little odd to use their failed pursuit of a "point guard" as the evidence of that point.

[SkyBill40]

I mean Shams reported that Phoenix was trying to get him to sign here. You may be right that they are ok with forcing things that are unadvisable but I dont think trying and failing to recruit Smart is the thing that proves it.

Of course not. They just don't seem to have any desire, again, to sign for a position of need. I get there's not much out there as far as PG goes, but are they even looking? Or have they just settled?

I'm not sold on Kuminga being the answer for us either, and I especially disagree with his contract value. Getting him is going to put us right back into an apron situation. We need to see what we can do with what we have or play it smart and see what becomes available. If we're going to make a trade, I'd prefer it be O'Neale sent out.

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I hear you, I just found it a little odd to use their failed pursuit of a "point guard" as the evidence of that point.

To be honest, I've never been high on Green and we should have centered the deal on Smith instead, but I don't think HOU was interested in giving him up. We may have been better off sending Durant to MIN instead, but I doubt they play ball seeing it was clear he wouldn't re-sign there.

I don't know, man. I just lack confidence in a Booker/Green backcourt.

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[Sunsdeuce]

On radio, Gambo said they will sign 1 more guard and then that's it, they're done. No trades, nothing. Just 1 guard. He squashed all of Brogdon, Melton, CP3, Westbrook, and Ben Simmons.

Question is, what guard they gonna sign? I can only think of: Gary Payton, Cam Payne, Blanton, and Cory Joseph.

I think GP2 is your best bet. Injury riddled but Warriors winning mentality, defense, toughness.

Keeping this one handy. The Bambo man says no trades. All I’m seeing is rumors of the Suns trying to make trades.

[dremill24]

Of course not. They just don't seem to have any desire, again, to sign for a position of need. I get there's not much out there as far as PG goes, but are they even looking? Or have they just settled?

I'm not sold on Kuminga being the answer for us either, and I especially disagree with his contract value. Getting him is going to put us right back into an apron situation. We need to see what we can do with what we have or play it smart and see what becomes available. If we're going to make a trade, I'd prefer it be O'Neale sent out.

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I hear you, I just found it a little odd to use their failed pursuit of a "point guard" as the evidence of that point.

To be honest, I've never been high on Green and we should have centered the deal on Smith instead, but I don't think HOU was interested in giving him up. We may have been better off sending Durant to MIN instead, but I doubt they play ball seeing it was clear he wouldn't re-sign there.

I don't know, man. I just lack confidence in a Booker/Green backcourt.

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Um...ok? I dont love that fit either. Just wasnt the point I was addressing...but ok, got it.

[Sunsdeuce]

Amid several reports linking Paul to a Clippers reunion, the sense around Summer League this past week was that his return to LA is inevitable. While in Las Vegas, I spoke with sources close to Paul and his former franchise who indicated strong belief that his final season will be played for the Clippers.
Sports Illustrated

[KdoubleDees23]

Amid several reports linking Paul to a Clippers reunion, the sense around Summer League this past week was that his return to LA is inevitable. While in Las Vegas, I spoke with sources close to Paul and his former franchise who indicated strong belief that his final season will be played for the Clippers.
Sports Illustrated

Clippers will be a first round exit. Hope he goes there and doesn't ever win a ring.

[Sunsdeuce]

On paper, Clippers have a great team…..if this was 2017.

[Sunsdeuce]

The Summer league has been completely useless for our rookies.

Duane Rankin: Phoenix Suns are resting Ryan Dunn, Oso Ighodaro and rookies Khaman Maluach and Koby Brea for their final 2025 NBA Summer League game against the Portland Trail Blazers tonight in Las Vegas. Rasheer Fleming set to play. Only played in 2 games in Vegas

GTFOH with this sitting our draft picks BS! They should be playing every game unless they are hurt. Wasted opportunities for extremely important experience.

[SkyBill40]

I hear you, I just found it a little odd to use their failed pursuit of a "point guard" as the evidence of that point.

To be honest, I've never been high on Green and we should have centered the deal on Smith instead, but I don't think HOU was interested in giving him up. We may have been better off sending Durant to MIN instead, but I doubt they play ball seeing it was clear he wouldn't re-sign there.

I don't know, man. I just lack confidence in a Booker/Green backcourt.

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Um...ok? I dont love that fit either. Just wasnt the point I was addressing...but ok, got it.

So please elaborate your point for me then so I know specifically what you're on about. If I'm missing something, I'd rather not guess.

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[Fo-Real]

Houston did not like him. There are reports for years now that they tried to trade him. Then only gave him a non-max 3 year contract after his rookie deal was off. Not a good sign any case, and the statistics so far look like the word on the street is true about his above-neck problems.

I do wish he outperformes his contract, and gets better, etc... I just dont think it will happen. He will likely be a very similar player to what he is now - athletic, scores in bunches, but not much else. Here is hoping that i m wrong and you are right.

Also, dont ever question my fandom. Not you, not anybody else - its been too frequent on this forum lately. Just becouse we are skeptical by the moves the front office makes, it doesnt makes us bad guy or not fans. Fair to point out that the "non-fans" according to you (and some others around) have been mostly right about their criticism in the last howevermany years... a lot more so than the optimists. But it DOES NOT mean that they are not fans - they might just be better educated fans, seeing the results so far.

I am always going to question you and all your little negative minions on this board ! You cry vs support the team. You haven’t even given anyone a chance and even waited for offseason to be complete .

If this is too stressful and u are just negative , why even follow this team. Tell your wife not to go to any more cold play concerts and try to focus on positivity brother ! Life’s short . Why choose negativity

F off you c*nt.
You were an ayton stan as well, I remember. Basically you have zero insight on basketball. Go lick the balls of ishbia you clown. At least your breath will smell the same as your wifes when she gets home from the coldplay concert. b1tch

No respect for kats who talk like this. Clown **** bro.

[Fo-Real]

Don't do this, dude. Seriously. You're asking to get your account banned.

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Haha guy is upset over basketball blog. Just a negative person who keeps bringing negativity around here.

Also Ayton had out team to the finals and was the reason we beat the Clippers. Something KD couldn't do.

Also - Ayton is the best Center we have had since Amare played Center. Dude will dominate on the Lakers with Luka feeding him, Lebron, and now that defense is going to be nasty.

All that is highly speculative. Ayton's motor is still in question and just because he's on the Lakers doesn't automatically guarantee his career takes the turn everyone expected it to when he was here.

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While I am clearly not an Ayton fan, I am curious about players being in the right system/situation to actually get value out of him. With the Lakers, he will be playing with the best true #1 option of his career in Luka, also a quasi #1 (because of his age), in Bron. Not saying he flourishes but that kind of gravity COULD open him up to flourish. Its all hypothetical and to reiterate, I hate Ayton, I hate Bron and I absolutely loathe Luka.... just saying.

[SkyBill40]

Haha guy is upset over basketball blog. Just a negative person who keeps bringing negativity around here.

Also Ayton had out team to the finals and was the reason we beat the Clippers. Something KD couldn't do.

Also - Ayton is the best Center we have had since Amare played Center. Dude will dominate on the Lakers with Luka feeding him, Lebron, and now that defense is going to be nasty.

All that is highly speculative. Ayton's motor is still in question and just because he's on the Lakers doesn't automatically guarantee his career takes the turn everyone expected it to when he was here.

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While I am clearly not an Ayton fan, I am curious about players being in the right system/situation to actually get value out of him. With the Lakers, he will be playing with the best true #1 option of his career in Luka, also a quasi #1 (because of his age), in Bron. Not saying he flourishes but that kind of gravity COULD open him up to flourish. Its all hypothetical and to reiterate, I hate Ayton, I hate Bron and I absolutely loathe Luka.... just saying.

Ehh. I guess we'll see. He couldn't have had a better player to spoon feed him on the regular than Chris Paul. Doncic is a solid play maker but, as a straight up floor general, I'd take Paul over him for sure. Ayton's biggest rub is that he didn't want to have to earn his touches and get rebounds for putbacks; he expected to be a #1 guy when he was maybe #4 at best. His lackadaisical effort on the glass in general led to a lot of missed opportunities and his half speed approach did the same. He's got a pretty nice touch, but his game is too finesse and not enough pound it inside. He's weak for contact and has hands made of cement. Then again, you know those things as well as I do and while some things might have a chance at changing... many won't.

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Haha guy is upset over basketball blog. Just a negative person who keeps bringing negativity around here.

Also Ayton had out team to the finals and was the reason we beat the Clippers. Something KD couldn't do.

Also - Ayton is the best Center we have had since Amare played Center. Dude will dominate on the Lakers with Luka feeding him, Lebron, and now that defense is going to be nasty.

All that is highly speculative. Ayton's motor is still in question and just because he's on the Lakers doesn't automatically guarantee his career takes the turn everyone expected it to when he was here.

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While I am clearly not an Ayton fan, I am curious about players being in the right system/situation to actually get value out of him. With the Lakers, he will be playing with the best true #1 option of his career in Luka, also a quasi #1 (because of his age), in Bron. Not saying he flourishes but that kind of gravity COULD open him up to flourish. It’s all hypothetical and to reiterate, I hate Ayton, I hate Bron and I absolutely loathe Luka.... just saying.

Well he certainly will be out diva-ed

[KdoubleDees23]

All that is highly speculative. Ayton's motor is still in question and just because he's on the Lakers doesn't automatically guarantee his career takes the turn everyone expected it to when he was here.

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While I am clearly not an Ayton fan, I am curious about players being in the right system/situation to actually get value out of him. With the Lakers, he will be playing with the best true #1 option of his career in Luka, also a quasi #1 (because of his age), in Bron. Not saying he flourishes but that kind of gravity COULD open him up to flourish. It’s all hypothetical and to reiterate, I hate Ayton, I hate Bron and I absolutely loathe Luka.... just saying.

Well he certainly will be out diva-ed

3 divas on the Lakers. By mid-season its either going to be working great or we will see a dumpster fire and Lebron being traded to a contender !

[sunsbg]

Lakers will be pop-corn worthy for sure.

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[Sunsdeuce]

This board is dead! Indication to a lot of stuff all pointing to lack of enthusiasm.

My enthusiasm ticked up a tad bit for the draft mainly due to Fleming. I already was not happy about the Maluach pick. But I was praying hard Fleming would be our AVON pick (“make-up” pick for the bad pick in Maluach). Welp, so far all i got out of it was a kick in balls and an unimpressive 7 PPG and 4 RPB. BUT now the enthusiasm is trending back down.

At this point, I’d even be happy if we had a chance to tank the season to get the #1 pick. That’s out the window. And not good enough to make the playoffs (if I had money I’d put money down Suns don’t sniff the playoffs). We can’t be bad right now but we aren’t good enough to be “good”. PURGATORY!

LOOK, I’m trying….i really am trying to find something to be excited about. It’s hard when you know this team is stuck in purgatory for the NEXT FIVE long years or half a decade depending on how you look at it.

If these draft picks don’t hit, I am speechless. I mean what can you say? This team will be the most dysfunctional team in NBA history without a doubt. No team has traded away every asset for half a decade and went over the cap and has been successful. Top it off with the new CBA where you can no longer buy a championship, where assets and draft picks are now the GOLD standard. We are now the guy going to Barrett Jackson with a fist full of nickels expecting to get Bugatti!

The whole point of being a fan is hoping to celebrate or have a chance at celebrating the rise of a trophy. OR watching your rebuild come to fruition.

Been watching the Suns since 1993 (I was obsessed to the point I knew every players number and stats without researching from 1993-2008. But That’s 32 years of my life waiting. Life is too short to keep waiting.

So you want to know why I hate dip$hipbia with the power of a million Suns, it’s because he is taking away a precious next five more years of my life because of his buffoonery! I’m more of a suns fan that than dipstick of a human. The Suns are just his trinket while most Suns fans lived and breathed this and are/were obsessed.

What do I have to look forward to the next five years to be enthusiastic about?

[sunsbum]

This board is dead! Indication to a lot of stuff all pointing to lack of enthusiasm.

My enthusiasm ticked up a tad bit for the draft mainly due to Fleming. I already was not happy about the Maluach pick. But I was praying hard Fleming would be our AVON pick (“make-up” pick for the bad pick in Maluach). Welp, so far all i got out of it was a kick in balls and an unimpressive 7 PPG and 4 RPB. BUT now the enthusiasm is trending back down.

At this point, I’d even be happy if we had a chance to tank the season to get the #1 pick. That’s out the window. And not good enough to make the playoffs (if I had money I’d put money down Suns don’t sniff the playoffs). We can’t be bad right now but we aren’t good enough to be “good”. PURGATORY!

LOOK, I’m trying….i really am trying to find something to be excited about. It’s hard when you know this team is stuck in purgatory for the NEXT FIVE long years or half a decade depending on how you look at it.

If these draft picks don’t hit, I am speechless. I mean what can you say? This team will be the most dysfunctional team in NBA history without a doubt. No team has traded away every asset for half a decade and went over the cap and has been successful. Top it off with the new CBA where you can no longer buy a championship, where assets and draft picks are now the GOLD standard. We are now the guy going to Barrett Jackson with a fist full of nickels expecting to get Bugatti!

The whole point of being a fan is hoping to celebrate or have a chance at celebrating the rise of a trophy. OR watching your rebuild come to fruition.

Been watching the Suns since 1993 (I was obsessed tot he point I knew every players number and stats without researching from 1993-2008. But That’s 32 years of my life waiting. Life is too short to keep waiting.

So you want to know why I hate dip$hip is of the power of a million Suns, it’s because you are taking away a precious next five more years of my life because of your buffoonery! I’m more of a suns fan that than dipstick of a human. The Suns are just his trinket while most Suns fans lived and breathed this and are/were obsessed.

What do I have to look forward to the next five years to be enthusiastic about?

the board is always at its slowest on Sunday, and even slower in the middle of July. Things won’t pick back up until the September