Trade Discussion

[AtheJ415]

We gave up the Lakers 1st, Minnesota 1st, Ennis (Pick 18) for 0 playoff wins.

What Minnesota 1st? You mean the 2 seconds? Besides, I think Knight at 24 is young enough to be involved in playoff wins for this team if he is still here in a few years. I'm not sure we stick with the unconventional system with Hornacek gone though, so it wouldn't surprise me to see Knight and/or Bledsoe gone.

[blacksun]

We gave up the Lakers 1st, Minnesota 1st, Ennis (Pick 18) for 0 playoff wins.

Well, we still have Knight and BKN essentially gave all those picks for rentals hence the tweet.

I went to the Jazz board and i didnt realize they were so open to trading Gordon Hayward. Here's a question. Would you guys trade Brandon Knight, Archie Goodwin and the WAS 2016 1st for Hayward? Keep in mind that he's only under contract for one more season, and then a player option after. Then the becomes an UFA. Also, he is only 25 years old. Thoughts?

[sunskerr]

We gave up the Lakers 1st, Minnesota 1st, Ennis (Pick 18) for 0 playoff wins.

Well, we still have Knight and BKN essentially gave all those picks for rentals hence the tweet.

I went to the Jazz board and i didnt realize they were so open to trading Gordon Hayward. Here's a question. Would you guys trade Brandon Knight, Archie Goodwin and the WAS 2016 1st for Hayward? Keep in mind that he's only under contract for one more season, and then a player option after. Then the becomes an UFA. Also, he is only 25 years old. Thoughts?

Absolutely. Love his game. He can create for himself and for others and isn't a defensive sieve. I would give up TJ Warren instead of Goodwin if it was required as well.

[AtheJ415]

We gave up the Lakers 1st, Minnesota 1st, Ennis (Pick 18) for 0 playoff wins.

Well, we still have Knight and BKN essentially gave all those picks for rentals hence the tweet.

I went to the Jazz board and i didnt realize they were so open to trading Gordon Hayward. Here's a question. Would you guys trade Brandon Knight, Archie Goodwin and the WAS 2016 1st for Hayward? Keep in mind that he's only under contract for one more season, and then a player option after. Then the becomes an UFA. Also, he is only 25 years old. Thoughts?

Absolutely. Love his game. He can create for himself and for others and isn't a defensive sieve. I would give up TJ Warren instead of Goodwin if it was required as well.

I wouldn't include Warren. Just because Hayward's going to be an FA and we're going to pay him a ton regardless in that scenario, so I don't think he'd warrant including Warren, plus we could probably throw another future 1st in anyways, allowing Utah to pick a guy they want as opposed to taking our young guys.

I'm with you in wanting Hayward though. Or Favors. I think Utah will run into issues keeping both for the long run, particularly with their desire to get help at the PG position. Maxing out Hayward and Favors, with Gobert coming down the pipe and likely needing an 8 figure PG since they're having trouble drafting one, means tough decisions down the line.

[thamadkant]

Draft night
Suns pick 1 or 2, Chandler, Teletovic (resigned)
For
Cousins


Knight, Tucker, Warren
For
Love


Suns
Cousins
Love
Bogdanovic
Booker
Bledsoe
Goodwin
Len
Weems
Leuer

[lilfishi22]

We gave up the Lakers 1st, Minnesota 1st, Ennis (Pick 18) for 0 playoff wins.

We signed Nash in 2004 for 0 titles

[blacksun]

We gave up the Lakers 1st, Minnesota 1st, Ennis (Pick 18) for 0 playoff wins.

Well, we still have Knight and BKN essentially gave all those picks for rentals hence the tweet.

I went to the Jazz board and i didnt realize they were so open to trading Gordon Hayward. Here's a question. Would you guys trade Brandon Knight, Archie Goodwin and the WAS 2016 1st for Hayward? Keep in mind that he's only under contract for one more season, and then a player option after. Then the becomes an UFA. Also, he is only 25 years old. Thoughts?

Absolutely. Love his game. He can create for himself and for others and isn't a defensive sieve. I would give up TJ Warren instead of Goodwin if it was required as well.

Agreed, id throw in Warren as well in place of Goodwin if needed as i dont value him very much.

I got back on the Jazz thread and i saw your post lol. Shouldve made our 2016 1st off the table as well if its top 2.

[thamadkant]

Thunder drafted Durant, Westbrook and Harden... All have been MVP candidates and atleast a winner.... And Thunder has zero championships.



Jazz Malone and Stockton ... Top 3 duo tandem... Over 40K points 10K rebounds and 15k assists between them... And zero rings.

[AtheJ415]

Draft night
Suns pick 1 or 2, Chandler, Teletovic (resigned)
For
Cousins


Knight, Tucker, Warren
For
Love


Suns
Cousins
Love
Bogdanovic
Booker
Bledsoe
Goodwin
Len
Weems
Leuer

Can we sign and trade Tele before draft night? I didn't think that was possible.

The one change I'd make is keeping Warren and giving Cleveland a future 1st and 2nd instead. Warren has more value to us than them, particularly with us having 0 SF's left in that scenario (although I suppose Bogdan with his massive Wingspan could play some 3, and Booker as an undersized 3).

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I'm not interested in trading Warren. Just. No. Everyone's on Booker's jock, but Warren's had neither the opportunity Devin's had nor anything like the suck-streak he's currently on. Everyone (including me) criticizes TJ's defense, but I don't recall a defensive play from Booker other than his signature 'hack dude on the break'.

Peeps be preaching patience - practice what you preach! I think it's fascinating that most of this board so casually and scornfully criticizes the GM while simultaneously proposing moves that would put us on the treadmill of mediocrity. Y'all need to get your **** together.

[Saberestar]

I'm not interested in trading Warren. Just. No. Everyone's on Booker's jock, but Warren's had neither the opportunity Devin's had nor anything like the suck-streak he's currently on. Everyone (including me) criticizes TJ's defense, but I don't recall a defensive play from Booker other than his signature 'hack dude on the break'.

Peeps be preaching patience - practice what you preach! I think it's fascinating that most of this board so casually and scornfully criticizes the GM while simultaneously proposing moves that would put us on the treadmill of mediocrity. Y'all need to get your **** together.

Exactly. Warren has huge potential and he is a hard worker with great behaviour.

[Mulhollanddrive]

6 months ago Warren was how Devin Booker is perceived now.

Amazing how perceptions change.

[NavLDO]

You are absolutely correct, the Knight trade doesn't look very good. I wholeheartedly agree. But if you were to ask, what I'd rather have right now, Knight @ $14M per and the 2x Heat picks, or Dragic @ $17M per on the LAL pick, I'm picking option one, all day, every day!

I'd take option # 3. The Lakers pick, the two Heat picks, and neither Knight nor Dragic.

That's easy to say, a year after the fact. It's amazing how clearly situations/deals look a year or two later...

That's why I think he fits perfectly starting at the 2. He shoots 40%+ from the arc, and definitely is good enough to play backup pg. Ideally you'd like more size at the 2, but it's not like we had that before.

But on this team, going forward, he is the better fit. We are not going to contend for at least 2-3 years if everything goes right, and it would be nice to have players in their early or mid to late 20s when we start knocking on that door because to win a championship or two you need to be right there for quite some time to break through...

The first 12-14 games this season, I believe, he was tearing it up, then he started faltering. If he ever gets consistent, I'd be interested if this is still your opinion next year...

[Amareca]

We gave up the Lakers 1st, Minnesota 1st, Ennis (Pick 18) for 0 playoff wins.

Well, we still have Knight and BKN essentially gave all those picks for rentals hence the tweet.

I went to the Jazz board and i didnt realize they were so open to trading Gordon Hayward. Here's a question. Would you guys trade Brandon Knight, Archie Goodwin and the WAS 2016 1st for Hayward? Keep in mind that he's only under contract for one more season, and then a player option after. Then the becomes an UFA. Also, he is only 25 years old. Thoughts?

Absolutely. Love his game. He can create for himself and for others and isn't a defensive sieve. I would give up TJ Warren instead of Goodwin if it was required as well.

No thx, overrating Hayward as usual and Haywards defense is masked by Utah being an overall good defensive team.
Warren can be as good or better than Hayward even. His per minute production and efficiency already are close.

[bwgood77]

You are absolutely correct, the Knight trade doesn't look very good. I wholeheartedly agree. But if you were to ask, what I'd rather have right now, Knight @ $14M per and the 2x Heat picks, or Dragic @ $17M per on the LAL pick, I'm picking option one, all day, every day!

I'd take option # 3. The Lakers pick, the two Heat picks, and neither Knight nor Dragic.

That's easy to say, a year after the fact. It's amazing how clearly situations/deals look a year or two later...

That's why I think he fits perfectly starting at the 2. He shoots 40%+ from the arc, and definitely is good enough to play backup pg. Ideally you'd like more size at the 2, but it's not like we had that before.

But on this team, going forward, he is the better fit. We are not going to contend for at least 2-3 years if everything goes right, and it would be nice to have players in their early or mid to late 20s when we start knocking on that door because to win a championship or two you need to be right there for quite some time to break through...

The first 12-14 games this season, I believe, he was tearing it up, then he started faltering. If he ever gets consistent, I'd be interested if this is still your opinion next year...

Well, many people said "I wish we would have just stopped after the Dragic trade." I would have rather stopped after the IT trade and kept ALL the picks, but I was willing to give BK a chance and hope for the best. Earlier in the year he had his moments at the 2 not being primary ball handler but I CLEARLY was frustrated with the overdribbling and LONG 2's.

Those in game threads on our early long road trip can attest to me saying "KNIGHT, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IN THIS SITUATION IS NOT TURN IT OVER" at the ends of some games where we had the lead (Detroit) with the ball or were tied with the ball (Memphis), but he turned it over at the end hurting our chances.

He is anti clutch and terrible at turnovers at the most in opportune times.

It was terribly clear after Bledsoe went down that he cannot be lead pg, so trading Bledsoe and keeping him does us no favors, because he will be the starter for the foreseeable future, even if we draft a pg.

[bwgood77]

We gave up the Lakers 1st, Minnesota 1st, Ennis (Pick 18) for 0 playoff wins.

Well, we still have Knight and BKN essentially gave all those picks for rentals hence the tweet.

I went to the Jazz board and i didnt realize they were so open to trading Gordon Hayward. Here's a question. Would you guys trade Brandon Knight, Archie Goodwin and the WAS 2016 1st for Hayward? Keep in mind that he's only under contract for one more season, and then a player option after. Then the becomes an UFA. Also, he is only 25 years old. Thoughts?

Absolutely. Love his game. He can create for himself and for others and isn't a defensive sieve. I would give up TJ Warren instead of Goodwin if it was required as well.

Easily on the first one. No brainer. With Warren I'd hesitate but considering we'd have his replacement probably yes. Knight and Goodwin have neutral value at best, so it comes down to Hayward for the 1st.

[bwgood77]

We gave up the Lakers 1st, Minnesota 1st, Ennis (Pick 18) for 0 playoff wins.

We signed Nash in 2004 for 0 titles

And Knight has had like half a season, not that I expect him to lead us to playoff wins, but it's a little premature. And of course we gave up nothing except cap space for Nash.

[bwgood77]

Draft night
Suns pick 1 or 2, Chandler, Teletovic (resigned)
For
Cousins


Knight, Tucker, Warren
For
Love


Suns
Cousins
Love
Bogdanovic
Booker
Bledsoe
Goodwin
Len
Weems
Leuer

I've been counting your Cousins ideas. That's trade proposal 386 for Cousins from you.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

If we want Cousins, we need to build a competitive team and snag him in FA. Because if we trade everyone away to get him, we're in the same position as SAC. Build organically. Be patient. Ommmm...

[Qwigglez]

I'm not interested in trading Warren. Just. No. Everyone's on Booker's jock, but Warren's had neither the opportunity Devin's had nor anything like the suck-streak he's currently on. Everyone (including me) criticizes TJ's defense, but I don't recall a defensive play from Booker other than his signature 'hack dude on the break'.

Peeps be preaching patience - practice what you preach! I think it's fascinating that most of this board so casually and scornfully criticizes the GM while simultaneously proposing moves that would put us on the treadmill of mediocrity. Y'all need to get your **** together.

Exactly. Warren has huge potential and he is a hard worker with great behaviour.

TJ doesn't possess the ball-handling skills that Hayward has. Honestly, the only player that I think could be a realistic target that I would trade Warren for would be Hayward.