The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft)

[bwgood77]

190mil on Hayward?

I'd rather max Barnes...

Hayward is not special that would be worse then the Conley contract. He's not a difference maker

That would be a Utah max, NEXT year with a 110 cap. I'd take Hayward over Barnes.

If we maxed Hayward next year it would be 4 years with smaller raises, probably like 33, 34.5, 36, 37.5....so 4/140

[NavLDO]

I think Len is perfect for what we have in mind going forward. The major reason these other guys are getting so much hype (remember Mozgov in last year's playoffs?) is because they are playing for winners.

I can imagine what the media would have said about Len if his Feb/March run was for OKC. Last's year's per was 14 and 12....LOL! And some of you guys are griping about his shooting percentage.....put him on the line with a Hack a' Len and watch him shoot 73%.

Adams, Gobert, TT, and the rest of those "studs" are offensive bums who can't be trusted to be on the court in close games because they can't shoot FT's, pathetic, and that neutralizes their defense when it matters most.

If we told Len to just run around and play D and reb he'd be just as good as those guys, but we told him to go be Shaq or Tim D shooting from the elbow, then get pissed when he isn't and envy guys who shoot well because of dunks and put backs....

This is why I sometimes contemplate exclusively posting on the GB.... His best month still pales in comparison to the impact those 3 have for an entire season

Ah yes, then there is the obligatory statement from saint with absolutely nothing to back-up his claim. And the understanding in how he's been used. But please, don't look at any of the peripherals of information. Like, how many games did those other players, their 3rd season of play and never have started at the PF position before this season, start at PF this season? What were their percentages of shots taken at the Rim?? 3-to-10 ft away?? 10-to-16 ft away?? 16-to-3PT Line?? Beyond the 3PT Line?? How many Dbl-Dbls did each player perform/complete during their last 32 games of the season, (26 of these 32 games started under a new head coach?)

Of course none of this information is provided, only one-liners about how Len's "Best Month" "pales in comparison" to the impact the other players had for their teams. Why you ask? Well, then that would debunk saint's whole point, so it's easier to just make blanket statements that are untrue, assuming the masses will simply believe it.

Now, before you go hunt down one obscure metric and say "see, see, it's true!", I'll remind you that his role changed almost overnight on 1 February, with the firing of Hornacek, then changing again less than 3 weeks later with the trading of our starting PF, after changing completely with the introduction of an All-Star Center into the starting line-up not but a little over 4 months earlier with the introduction of Chandler into our starting line-up.

So when you show a single one of those aforementioned Centers that went through that amount of trauma into their game, and STILL managed to complete 13 Dbl-Dbls in his final 26 starting games in the line-up.

But go on ahead and keep 'claiming' that Len in "his best month did not have the same level of impact that those 3 have for an entire season." Whatever the heck that is supposed to mean...

What I still haven't figured out is who is the bigger 'hater': saintEscaton toward Len or FrankLee against McD; or even worse, which one is more unfounded????

[Mr Puddles]

Does anyone know if we can front load a contract? E.g can we sign a guy like Marvin Williams to 4 years 80 mil in a 30, 25, 15, 10 - structure?

Something like that would be ideal, we meet the cap floor for the first to 2 years and then have a super cheap contract to use as a trade chip when we're ready to move Bender or Chriss into the starting PF spot in 2018.

[LukasBMW]

I'm down to save our money for next year, but I'm not sure I'm down to save money for Hayward.

Hayward is a SF, a true SF. He can't play the 4 and we already have a glut of guys at the 2.

It seems that if we want Hayward and a stretch 4, we are totally going to copy the Warriors model and go small ball.

One tough center (Len or Chandler) and 4 perimeter players/shooters.

Then McD must be banking on either trading for a legit stretch 4 or having Bender or Chriss become that stretch 4.

[Walt_Uoob]

Even with all the money given out today and certain players changing teams, the NBA landscape is exactly the same. The only way it will change is if Durant changes teams. Otherwise, the top teams are still the top teams.

Yeah, I thought Memphis might get weaker depending on what happened, but they got stronger. If healthy, they will be right there...some defensive potential with their rooks too with those wingspans of Baldwin and Zagorac.

Reggie Miller said he thought Indy would be right there with Cleveland. I guess we'll see about that.

Yeah and I'm kind of glad Memphis got Conley and Parsons because otherwise they'd be looking really really bad. My hope for our season is that we start the season basically as-is and the greenness of our PFs keeps us from winning very many games, prompting a deadline deal or two sending out some veterans, keeping us in the running for a high lottery pick. Knowing that teams like Memphis aren't going to slide too much should help in all that.

[rsavaj]

On his podcast Nate Duncan said we have ~30 million not counting Leuer's cap hold which is only 2 mill, so about 28 mill total. Not sure how he got that number

[rsavaj]

Mavs need to use their cap space on something

Send Chandler to them for a first round pick

[saintEscaton]

If only Whiteside didn't spurn Dallas.... our 2018/2021 Miami picks would have been in better shape

[bwgood77]

Even with all the money given out today and certain players changing teams, the NBA landscape is exactly the same. The only way it will change is if Durant changes teams. Otherwise, the top teams are still the top teams.

Yeah, I thought Memphis might get weaker depending on what happened, but they got stronger. If healthy, they will be right there...some defensive potential with their rooks too with those wingspans of Baldwin and Zagorac.

Reggie Miller said he thought Indy would be right there with Cleveland. I guess we'll see about that.

Yeah and I'm kind of glad Memphis got Conley and Parsons because otherwise they'd be looking really really bad. My hope for our season is that we start the season basically as-is and the greenness of our PFs keeps us from winning very many games, prompting a deadline deal or two sending out some veterans, keeping us in the running for a high lottery pick. Knowing that teams like Memphis aren't going to slide too much should help in all that.

Yeah, if we can get a premier SF (Tatum or Jackson if they deliver on potential) in next year's draft, that would be nice. If we miss on that, we can take a center. PG is deep too if Bledsoe gets injured or anything.

[Ferulci]

Bulls fan here : what is the price for Knight ? Do you see him as a blue chip, trade bait, salary dump ?

[carey]

We should literally sign someone and up 30 million in the first year.

Jared sullinger 4 years 40million
20 million year 1, then 8,7,5

Lance Stephenson 4 years 35 million

15 million first year , 8, 7,5

Or something like this for some player with all our cap space.

Have 2 young 25 years olds locked in for 8 mill or less for 3 years. Both would be great role players for us if we ever became a contender

You can't do any of that. It's all against the CBA.

[rsavaj]

Bulls fan here : what is the price for Knight ? Do you see him as a blue chip, trade bait, salary dump ?

trade bait but with a good pick or prospect in return; he's young and he's on a contract that looks great now

[carey]

Does anyone know if we can front load a contract? E.g can we sign a guy like Marvin Williams to 4 years 80 mil in a 30, 25, 15, 10 - structure?

Something like that would be ideal, we meet the cap floor for the first to 2 years and then have a super cheap contract to use as a trade chip when we're ready to move Bender or Chriss into the starting PF spot in 2018.

You can front load a contract but it can only decrease in the same set percentages that they can also increase. So, no you can't do that.

[bwgood77]

Mavs need to use their cap space on something

Send Chandler to them for a first round pick

I seriously doubt with what they have left on their roster, they'd send out a 1st rounder for Chandler unless it was extremely protected. Maybe if we send them Knight AND Chandler it would have less protection. They missed on Conley and Whiteside. Carlisle is the one guy who has reigned in guys like Knight a little bit.

[AtheJ415]

I love that we're sitting this FA out so far. The scary guys sans Barnes are gone. I'd be okay with West on a front-loaded 1 year with a team option for year 2, or DWill on a cheap deal. That's really it at this point. I could see some logic in Bazemore, but I'd be scared of the dollar amount.

Sit out until next year's FA and spend big on a sure thing (like Hayward, who is perfect for us).

[carey]

If only Whiteside didn't spurn Dallas.... our 2018/2021 Miami picks would have been in better shape

Totally disagree. Miami would have been better had Whiteside left and they signed Horford instead.

[bwgood77]

Does anyone know if we can front load a contract? E.g can we sign a guy like Marvin Williams to 4 years 80 mil in a 30, 25, 15, 10 - structure?

Something like that would be ideal, we meet the cap floor for the first to 2 years and then have a super cheap contract to use as a trade chip when we're ready to move Bender or Chriss into the starting PF spot in 2018.

You can front load a contract but it can only decrease in the same set percentages that they can also increase. So, no you can't do that.

It's always 4.5% either way unless it is your own FA, then it's 7.5% each year.

[saintEscaton]

Bulls fan here : what is the price for Knight ? Do you see him as a blue chip, trade bait, salary dump ?

Would do it for Niko+Taj, you can have Tucker too if you want. Also welcome to the board, you are on of the more prominent critics of our FO on the GB

[rsavaj]

PG market has dried up this summer; I think Knight is gonna have more value than a lot of fans think

[AtheJ415]

Mavs need to use their cap space on something

Send Chandler to them for a first round pick

I seriously doubt with what they have left on their roster, they'd send out a 1st rounder for Chandler unless it was extremely protected. Maybe if we send them Knight AND Chandler it would have less protection. They missed on Conley and Whiteside. Carlisle is the one guy who has reigned in guys like Knight a little bit.

Yeah. I would try to get Anderson, maybe for Chandler and Archie or something like that. But the Mavs are probably at the point of finally considering tearing it down and rebuild. Not sure they're a fit for Chandler. Maybe Houston could be (they need a PnR finisher and lost Dwight) if they don't hit on Horford or Bazemore.