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Draft Discussion Part 3

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Who would you rather have, Jackson or Tatum?

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Re: Draft Discussion Part 3 

Post#1681 » by Saberestar » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:01 pm

I have been reading the Celtics board, good stuff there.

A lot of people from there are thinking that Tatum is their guy at #3. This post is interesting:
It's Tatum.

-There's no guarantee either Ball or Jackson will be available at 3. Ainge isn't taking that risk.
-A few months ago, Chad Ford reported that 'Some GMs have told them Fultz is #1 on their board.' Ainge has historically leaked info to Ford.
-The smoke screen right now about Jackson is very reminiscent of last year with Dunn. Expect these reports to continue. Then expect us to take Tatum.
-Jackson blew off a workout with us. Historically, Ainge hasn't responded favorably to this. (See: Randle, Julius).
-The two guys Ryan McDonough has brought in twice are Tatum and Isaac. He was raised in the church of Ainge and can be seen as a good proxy for Danny.
-Our workout with Tatum flew under the radar for a reason.

There's a small chance Isaac is our guy, but I've got a strong hunch it's Tatum.
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Post#1682 » by JMac1 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:01 pm

I know Ainge and Mc'D have spoken......they are getting their guy and we are getting out guy. Ball is LA bound and we all know it!

Ainge probably wants Tatum. Makes so much sense.
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Re: Draft Discussion Part 3 

Post#1683 » by JMac1 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:03 pm

Saberestar wrote:I have been reading the Celtics board, good stuff there.

A lot of people from there are thinking that Tatum is their guy at #3. This post is interesting:
It's Tatum.

-There's no guarantee either Ball or Jackson will be available at 3. Ainge isn't taking that risk.
-A few months ago, Chad Ford reported that 'Some GMs have told them Fultz is #1 on their board.' Ainge has historically leaked info to Ford.
-The smoke screen right now about Jackson is very reminiscent of last year with Dunn. Expect these reports to continue. Then expect us to take Tatum.
-Jackson blew off a workout with us. Historically, Ainge hasn't responded favorably to this. (See: Randle, Julius).
-The two guys Ryan McDonough has brought in twice are Tatum and Isaac. He was raised in the church of Ainge and can be seen as a good proxy for Danny.
-Our workout with Tatum flew under the radar for a reason.

There's a small chance Isaac is our guy, but I've got a strong hunch it's Tatum.


Thanks for posted that. That was the post I was referring to earlier.
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Re: Draft Discussion Part 3 

Post#1684 » by JoRain » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:08 pm

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Really interesting. Shelburne is reliable. That promise can seriously be from us, Gambo said that could be Lakers (favourite) Philly or the Suns.


I don't know. If that's the promise that was talked about days ago, I have doubts it's Suns. I doubt they promised something to a guy the hadn't seen or talked to at that point. Has McD ever made a promise in draft? if I remember correctly, there was some talk about Warren, but maybe i'm wrong.
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Post#1685 » by NTB » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:09 pm

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Post#1686 » by NTB » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:10 pm

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Post#1687 » by Waylay13 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:11 pm

ray ray wrote:Jackson biggest question isn't on the court issues, it's off the court issues .. he's a bad kid but he seems to make bad decisions.

His shooting can and will improve. His strength can and will improve. The question is, will his decision making improve now that he will have millions of dollars in his bank account? That's the scary part of this whole process

As the saying goes, "money doesn't change anyone, it revels who you really are" - Unknown


Perception or peer pressure is the key for Josh Jackson. If he build a posse around himself with old friends from the hood then he is going to have issues due to the perception of what is acceptable with this group of friends. However if he is around Devin Booker, Ulis, Chandler and Dudley the behavior that is acceptable becomes something very different. We know that Devin says that he is going to be working out all summer long with teammates. If Devin and Chandler takes Jackson under their wing I think it is going to focus him to becoming the player he can be. We dont have any other reports of bad behavior before this year from Jackson so it really come down to the environment and what he sees as acceptable behavior.
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Post#1688 » by TheFire » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:14 pm

We are going to get a great player at 4 regardless of who we take between Jackson, Isaac, or Tatum. I'm very excited!
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Post#1689 » by Saberestar » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:18 pm

JoRain wrote:
Saberestar wrote:
NTB wrote:
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Really interesting. Shelburne is reliable. That promise can seriously be from us, Gambo said that could be Lakers (favourite) Philly or the Suns.


I don't know. If that's the promise that was talked about days ago, I have doubts it's Suns. I doubt they promised something to a guy the hadn't seen or talked to at that point. Has McD ever made a promise in draft? if I remember correctly, there was some talk about Warren, but maybe i'm wrong.

Yeah, it wouldn't be the first time.

http://247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Phoenix-Suns-Give-Promise-To-TJ-Warren-29342840
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Re: Draft Discussion Part 3 

Post#1690 » by JMac1 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:25 pm

NTB wrote:
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Nothing on Jackson........?

Edit: when I think about a Booker paring, I like

Jackson
Tatum
Isaac

When looking at them individually I think is tougher to choose between. Isaac and Tatum.
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Post#1691 » by NTB » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:27 pm

JMac1 wrote:
NTB wrote:
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Nothing on Jackson........?


The question was assuming Fultz/Ball/Jackson gone.
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Post#1692 » by darealjuice » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:28 pm

JMac1 wrote:
NTB wrote:
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Nothing on Jackson........?

Edit: when I think about a Booker paring, I like

Jackson
Tatum
Isaac

When looking at them individually I think is tougher to choose between. Isaac and Tatum.


Doesn't look like anyone has tweeted him about JJ
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Post#1693 » by Sunzgunz » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:32 pm

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Qwigglez wrote:I think the Celtics are going to take Tatum at 3.


Agree 100%

Tatum to boston makes sense for a number of reasons! Question is, does Boston move back again? I don't think phx will take Tatum, but we could. Unless they have isaac or someone rated very close to tatum....sont think they can trade down again.

I too think Ainge is taking Tatum at #3. I really doubt they take Jackson. If they do, where does that leave Jaylen? Can they afford to have two wings on the court who cant shoot well?

Jackson is ours at #4, if we choose to take him. Im on the fence about Jackson or Isaac, so we will see


I will be ecstatic if we get JJ. I think my view is a little different than most regarding JJ, but I think he is the safest pick in the entire draft.

That's not to say JJ can't be a bust, or that Isaac, or anyone for that matter won't be better than JJ. I just think JJ is the best/safest combination of floor/ceiling in the entire draft.

MY LOGIC ON WHY JJ IS THE SAFEST:

Since the early 90's the NBA has put emphasis on offense and in the process, has directly, or indirectly, devalued defense. As a result, we are in an era where good offense is a dime a dozen and good defense, which by default, is relatively great defense and is a hot commodity.

In essence I would say good defense is comparable to great offense in today's game. For instance, Tatum's ceiling is higher this very minute for several reasons, one being his role is not too complicated...your 6'8", run around and knock down open jumpers in a game that promotes exactly that. This is why Boston and Tatum make for a damn near perfect marriage on paper. I think Tatum is very capable of being a good player on a good team. If he works hard and continues to grow, he might even be a great player on a great team. But will he ever be capable of being a great player on a good team? Not sure, but there will definitely be a lot of risk involved. My argument is that in today's game, where good offense is a dime a dozen, you can only match the value of 'good' defense with 'great' offense. Hence why I'd choose JJ over Tatum (sorry for using you as an example Tatum :))

Worst case scenario, JJ will be a solid defender, in an era where quality defense is scarce, barring injury, he will be guaranteed a roster spot/role for quite some time on that alone, even if he never improves offensively. In addition, the things you can't teach, Energy, Attitude, Athleticism and Size.......HE ALREADY POSSESSES. Aside from defense, there's always a role for that energetic spark plug, even if it's off the bench. But again, this is an energetic spark plug with size, athleticism, attitude and plays defense like a man possessed. He has all the intangibles you can't teach..even if he doesn't improve his 'jumper' there are numerous spots and roles for this guy for years to come. Isaac, Tatum, Ball, etc, they can all be better than JJ if things go well, but if their niche doesn't transition, if they can't fix or overcome their hiccups, they could also be out of the league in 4 or 5 years. That's why I think JJ is the safest pick and if you factor in how high his ceiling actually could be, provided he's taught how to consistently shoot a 'jumper' (to add with his Impressive BBIQ, His Relentless Motor, Competitve Attitude, World Class Athleticism, Gifted Size and Defensive Prowess) IT"S A NO BRAINER. JJ is probably the safest pick with the MOST potential....those guys usually go #1 or 2 in the draft.
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Post#1694 » by Kerrsed » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:35 pm

gaspar wrote:
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Qwigglez wrote:What is JJ projected to be in the NBA?
I hear Fultz is Harden, Tatum is Pierce, Ball is Kidd. Who is a good comparison for Jackson?

I can give you a few names...

Latrell Sprewell, Josh Howard, Andre Iguodala and Shawn Marion.

I loved the two-way game from all these players in his prime.

I can give you a few more:

Terrence Williams, Justise Winslow, MKG



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Re: Draft Discussion Part 3 

Post#1695 » by King4Day » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:41 pm

JoRain wrote:
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Really interesting. Shelburne is reliable. That promise can seriously be from us, Gambo said that could be Lakers (favourite) Philly or the Suns.


I don't know. If that's the promise that was talked about days ago, I have doubts it's Suns. I doubt they promised something to a guy the hadn't seen or talked to at that point. Has McD ever made a promise in draft? if I remember correctly, there was some talk about Warren, but maybe i'm wrong.


While he didn't come to Phoenix, don't forget:

"According to John Gambadoro of 98.7 FM, Arizona’s Sports Station, the Suns traveled to Sacramento on Wednesday to watch Kansas wing Josh Jackson go through a workout.

That means Phoenix has gotten a look at all of the wings who could potentially be available with the No. 4 pick"

http://arizonasports.com/story/1148846/nba-draft-suns-saw-kansas-wing-josh-jackson-work-sacramento/

I wouldn't be surprised if at that point (before the talk of the Philly/Boston trade started) Ainge and McD talked and Ainge told him to start looking at Jackson as something is brewing. While I don't doubt the Kings told him they would take him if he's there, there's no reason for it not to be the Suns. There has been little to know talk of us being that interested in Jackson. This could be by design so teams ahead of us don't mess around and try to get us to trade to snag him (so we don't feel like Jackson could go before we pick).

I really think if Jackson isn't there, we take Tatum.
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Re: Draft Discussion Part 3 

Post#1696 » by LukasBMW » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:46 pm

With Paul George coming totally out of the closet today and saying that he will sign with LAL, you have to think they will either trade their pick or take Ball.

PG is a 3 and The Lakers are high on Ingram. Their 3 position is set. Taking Jackson or Tatum would create a heck of a logjam.

It's gotta be Ball or a trade.
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Post#1697 » by King4Day » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:46 pm

This article seems to indicate Jackson has a promise from both Phoenix and Sacramento:

https://www.hoop-ball.com/nba-fantasy-news-and-advice/nba-fantasy-adds-and-drops/fantasy-basketball-news-breaking/josh-jackson-has-draft-promises-from-suns-and-kings/

So maybe Boston will try to snag both the 5 and 10 pick from the Kings. Then they'll get whoever remains from Tatum and Isaac.
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Post#1698 » by Kerrsed » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:49 pm

I dont know why people keep questioning why we would take Jackson when he hasnt worked out for us.

Our FO went to Sacramento to watch him workout. We talked to him at the combine. We have scouts that have been watching him since HS no doubt.

As for who out of us and the Kings gave him a promise, im pretty sure it was us. One of those "If your still on the boards you are ours" promises. I just dont see the Kings giving him a promise, i mean im not too worried about his character issues, but would the Kings take that chance? They already had Cousins, who is dominant as fuuuuuuuuu on the court, and where did that get them? They've had issues with troublemakers in the past and have been trying to clean up their lockeroom. Not to mention FOX FOX FOX! I just dont see them promising Jackson.
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Post#1699 » by LukasBMW » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:50 pm

If I'm the Suns, I try to instigate a 3 way trade with the Lakers right now to get this party started.

Bledsoe and Miami #17 to the Lakers for Deng and #2.

Lakers clear cap, get Bledsoe, and also get an asset they can flip to get PG3 a year early.
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