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The Draft Thread: Ayton Vs Doncic 1

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Ayton vs Doncic, Who you picking?

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Re: The Draft Thread: Ayton Vs Doncic 1 

Post#1681 » by Archx » Fri May 25, 2018 2:51 am

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TheLogician wrote:Ayton is going to surprise a lot of you when his defense is better than advertised. The system and coaching will cut down on a lot of the guessing and simple mistakes. He will learn to use his body and elite physical gifts with more experience. It will be exciting watching him grow into a two-way beast in a Suns uniform. I fully expect him to become our 1(b) offensive weapon and defensive anchor. It won't happen right away but it will be worth the wait.



If Igor is a good coach I expect improvement with Chriss and Bender. An Ayton and Improved Chriss/Bender frontcourt could be potent.


Well in our national team the system Kokoskov used was quite interesting. Dragic was playing as PG and Doncic as SF on paper... BUT on the court, he used our big C only as pure PNR guy with Doncic, while Dragic as PG was playing pure scorer as if he was SG. He did bring the ball up the court but then most of the time gave it to Doncic who either dribbled his way to find an open shooter or played PNR to almost perfection with the big guy. And it worked we didnt lose a single game in the cup which was a huge surprise to anyone... So i think Kokoskov is a brilliant coach who can do wonders with the right team composition ofcourse. I think his style is similar to what Houston plays now or GSW.

So yes drafting Ayton would be amazing for Suns and would make people in Phoenix happy but i wouldn't be surprised if they take Doncic instead.
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Post#1682 » by Cutter » Fri May 25, 2018 3:01 am

Frank Lee wrote:Man, that KAT contract is a cap killer. He and Book would chew up 50% of the space. Not sure now.


These super max deals are going to be hard to take. There are not that many super players. It seems a given that Book is getting his.... and he instantly will be overpaid

Not sure if Booker qualifies for a super max, but he is not worth a contract of that size at this stage in his career.
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Post#1683 » by DirtyDez » Fri May 25, 2018 3:07 am

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Frank Lee wrote:Man, that KAT contract is a cap killer. He and Book would chew up 50% of the space. Not sure now.


These super max deals are going to be hard to take. There are not that many super players. It seems a given that Book is getting his.... and he instantly will be overpaid

Not sure if Booker qualifies for a super max, but he is not worth a contract of that size at this stage in his career.


Haha well if he makes third team next year...

What is Booker’s cap hold vs first year max salary in 2019?
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Post#1684 » by JMac1 » Fri May 25, 2018 3:10 am

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He was my #1 in that draft and I was high on McCollum too. Len ... what a waste of a five pick. Still makes me leery of moving Chriss and Bender unless it is a package for a star player.



This entire board wanted him!!!

Len?? Or CJ?


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Post#1685 » by lilfishi22 » Fri May 25, 2018 3:13 am

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Cutter wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:Man, that KAT contract is a cap killer. He and Book would chew up 50% of the space. Not sure now.


These super max deals are going to be hard to take. There are not that many super players. It seems a given that Book is getting his.... and he instantly will be overpaid

Not sure if Booker qualifies for a super max, but he is not worth a contract of that size at this stage in his career.


Haha well if he makes third team next year...

What is Booker’s cap hold vs first year max salary in 2019?

I could be wrong but his cap hold is about $13.75m. Depending on if he is eligble for the super max or not, his starting salary could be 25% or 30% of the cap, which puts it in the low $30m's
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Post#1686 » by DirtyDez » Fri May 25, 2018 3:20 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
Cutter wrote:Not sure if Booker qualifies for a super max, but he is not worth a contract of that size at this stage in his career.


Haha well if he makes third team next year...

What is Booker’s cap hold vs first year max salary in 2019?

I could be wrong but his cap hold is about $13.75m. Depending on if he is eligble for the super max or not, his starting salary could be 25% or 30% of the cap, which puts it in the low $30m's


That’s a pretty significant difference but I don’t think it will matter. The FA class looks like trash besides Klay (and Kawhi if he actually hits the market).
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Post#1687 » by Kerrsed » Fri May 25, 2018 3:33 am

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DirtyDez wrote:Unless you’re a Lebron-caliber can’t miss prospect I don’t see how you can draft a player if they don’t provide their medicals. I’m sure the Mavs would promise Doncic at #5 and he would provide them as well as Phoenix if they could get to 3-4. The lowest he’d go is #5 so it’s not a significant drop in salary.

He's being selective with his medicals to finesse his way to a team he wants to go to. I'm PRETTY confident the Suns are getting a nice vanilla folder with his medicals.


Yeah, i read that teams drafting high are scared s***less to draft guys without seeing medicals. They want to make sure EVERYTHING is structurally sound so you wont go down 2 years down the line. Like it is a really big deal.

Also kinda funny, When Luka told the media that he wasnt sure if this was his last season in the Euroleague, people tried to brush it off as him being polite and saying the right thing to the media when he was put on the spot, yet the Kings FO had a sit down with Duffy at the Combine in private and still didnt get any kind of answer, instead telling the media person who reported it that they would "Circle back with him at a later date". No need for Duffy to be polite for fans (Specially when none are there) or "Save face in the media" when none were present. SOunds like to me they got the brush off. This was a day or two before the report that they wernt so high on him and were really liking Porter Jr. I wonder if they got the impression from Duffy that he wouldnt be in Sactown, and the report of them not being high on him and liking someone else more is to save face with the rest of the league along with their fans. Like we didnt draft him because we liked Porter better, not because he wouldnt player here because our town/organization sucks.
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Post#1688 » by lilfishi22 » Fri May 25, 2018 3:48 am

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DirtyDez wrote:Unless you’re a Lebron-caliber can’t miss prospect I don’t see how you can draft a player if they don’t provide their medicals. I’m sure the Mavs would promise Doncic at #5 and he would provide them as well as Phoenix if they could get to 3-4. The lowest he’d go is #5 so it’s not a significant drop in salary.

He's being selective with his medicals to finesse his way to a team he wants to go to. I'm PRETTY confident the Suns are getting a nice vanilla folder with his medicals.


Yeah, i read that teams drafting high are scared s***less to draft guys without seeing medicals. They want to make sure EVERYTHING is structurally sound so you wont go down 2 years down the line. Like it is a really big deal.

Also kinda funny, When Luka told the media that he wasnt sure if this was his last season in the Euroleague, people tried to brush it off as him being polite and saying the right thing to the media when he was put on the spot, yet the Kings FO had a sit down with Duffy at the Combine in private and still didnt get any kind of answer, instead telling the media person who reported it that they would "Circle back with him at a later date". No need for Duffy to be polite for fans (Specially when none are there) or "Save face in the media" when none were present. SOunds like to me they got the brush off. This was a day or two before the report that they wernt so high on him and were really liking Porter Jr. I wonder if they got the impression from Duffy that he wouldnt be in Sactown, and the report of them not being high on him and liking someone else more is to save face with the rest of the league along with their fans. Like we didnt draft him because we liked Porter better, not because he wouldnt player here because our town/organization sucks.

That's what I took as the reason for all this Doncic falling talk. Teams aren't going to take a chance with a guy who may not come over if he doesn't like who he's drafted by. With all the 'connections' Sactown have to the European game (Peja, Divac, Bogdan) and a clear need for an elite secondary initiator, if Doncic still doesn't want to go there, I wonder if the Slovenian equivalent of the word dumpster fire is what he thinks of them lol
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Post#1689 » by DirtyDez » Fri May 25, 2018 3:55 am

So how do we nab him before Dallas? We got nothing but picks that will be mediocre. The Suns are going to be much better and Riley won’t tank...
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Post#1690 » by Villalobos » Fri May 25, 2018 4:01 am

DirtyDez wrote:So how do we nab him before Dallas? We got nothing but picks that will be mediocre. The Suns are going to be much better and Riley won’t tank...


Miami 2021 could be gold. Riley will probably retire by then and that team is capped out for a couple years.

Suns 2019 unprotected, #16, #31, Bucks pick, Miami 2021 is a decent haul. Suns won't be that much better next year and could win the top 4 lottery. Always a chance Suns are still a complete dumpster fire again next year and the pick is amazing.
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Post#1691 » by TheLogician » Fri May 25, 2018 4:18 am

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TheLogician wrote:Ayton is going to surprise a lot of you when his defense is better than advertised. The system and coaching will cut down on a lot of the guessing and simple mistakes. He will learn to use his body and elite physical gifts with more experience. It will be exciting watching him grow into a two-way beast in a Suns uniform. I fully expect him to become our 1(b) offensive weapon and defensive anchor. It won't happen right away but it will be worth the wait.



If Igor is a good coach I expect improvement with Chriss and Bender. An Ayton and Improved Chriss/Bender frontcourt could be potent.


Well in our national team the system Kokoskov used was quite interesting. Dragic was playing as PG and Doncic as SF on paper... BUT on the court, he used our big C only as pure PNR guy with Doncic, while Dragic as PG was playing pure scorer as if he was SG. He did bring the ball up the court but then most of the time gave it to Doncic who either dribbled his way to find an open shooter or played PNR to almost perfection with the big guy. And it worked we didnt lose a single game in the cup which was a huge surprise to anyone... So i think Kokoskov is a brilliant coach who can do wonders with the right team composition ofcourse. I think his style is similar to what Houston plays now or GSW.

So yes drafting Ayton would be amazing for Suns and would make people in Phoenix happy but i wouldn't be surprised if they take Doncic instead.


His system is just a pass-heavy motion offense. It can be run with different personnel and shouldn't affect who we draft.





















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Post#1693 » by BoogieTime » Fri May 25, 2018 5:45 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:He's being selective with his medicals to finesse his way to a team he wants to go to. I'm PRETTY confident the Suns are getting a nice vanilla folder with his medicals.


Yeah, i read that teams drafting high are scared s***less to draft guys without seeing medicals. They want to make sure EVERYTHING is structurally sound so you wont go down 2 years down the line. Like it is a really big deal.

Also kinda funny, When Luka told the media that he wasnt sure if this was his last season in the Euroleague, people tried to brush it off as him being polite and saying the right thing to the media when he was put on the spot, yet the Kings FO had a sit down with Duffy at the Combine in private and still didnt get any kind of answer, instead telling the media person who reported it that they would "Circle back with him at a later date". No need for Duffy to be polite for fans (Specially when none are there) or "Save face in the media" when none were present. SOunds like to me they got the brush off. This was a day or two before the report that they wernt so high on him and were really liking Porter Jr. I wonder if they got the impression from Duffy that he wouldnt be in Sactown, and the report of them not being high on him and liking someone else more is to save face with the rest of the league along with their fans. Like we didnt draft him because we liked Porter better, not because he wouldnt player here because our town/organization sucks.

That's what I took as the reason for all this Doncic falling talk. Teams aren't going to take a chance with a guy who may not come over if he doesn't like who he's drafted by. With all the 'connections' Sactown have to the European game (Peja, Divac, Bogdan) and a clear need for an elite secondary initiator, if Doncic still doesn't want to go there, I wonder if the Slovenian equivalent of the word dumpster fire is what he thinks of them lol


Sounds like something Kerrsed made up, although I’d love for the user to provide a link to whatever he’s saying.

All reports from Doncic/Duffy in English and Slovenian that I’ve read have either been positive or non committal.

The Suns organization has been a dumpster fire, and I’d much rather live in Sacramento than barren Phoenix, but that’s not what this board should be for. No need to attack other orgs, Kings fans have had their fill of this
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Post#1694 » by Kerrsed » Fri May 25, 2018 6:12 am

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Yeah, i read that teams drafting high are scared s***less to draft guys without seeing medicals. They want to make sure EVERYTHING is structurally sound so you wont go down 2 years down the line. Like it is a really big deal.

Also kinda funny, When Luka told the media that he wasnt sure if this was his last season in the Euroleague, people tried to brush it off as him being polite and saying the right thing to the media when he was put on the spot, yet the Kings FO had a sit down with Duffy at the Combine in private and still didnt get any kind of answer, instead telling the media person who reported it that they would "Circle back with him at a later date". No need for Duffy to be polite for fans (Specially when none are there) or "Save face in the media" when none were present. SOunds like to me they got the brush off. This was a day or two before the report that they wernt so high on him and were really liking Porter Jr. I wonder if they got the impression from Duffy that he wouldnt be in Sactown, and the report of them not being high on him and liking someone else more is to save face with the rest of the league along with their fans. Like we didnt draft him because we liked Porter better, not because he wouldnt player here because our town/organization sucks.

That's what I took as the reason for all this Doncic falling talk. Teams aren't going to take a chance with a guy who may not come over if he doesn't like who he's drafted by. With all the 'connections' Sactown have to the European game (Peja, Divac, Bogdan) and a clear need for an elite secondary initiator, if Doncic still doesn't want to go there, I wonder if the Slovenian equivalent of the word dumpster fire is what he thinks of them lol


Sounds like something Kerrsed made up, although I’d love for the user to provide a link to whatever he’s saying.

All reports from Doncic/Duffy in English and Slovenian that I’ve read have either been positive or non committal.

The Suns organization has been a dumpster fire, and I’d much rather live in Sacramento than barren Phoenix, but that’s not what this board should be for. No need to attack other orgs, Kings fans have had their fill of this


You know what, props on you, and i apologize wholeheartedly! I was wrong, and thanks for bringing it to my attention (I went to look for my source for the info and saw i was wrong).

It was actually the Hawks that sat down with Duffy, not the Kings.

From my post 2 days ago in the Conspiracy Thread:

Kerrsed wrote:I found this kinda interesting:

With that as the backdrop, Hawks GM Travis Schlenk was prompted about Doncic on Tuesday as part of an interview with 92.9 The Game in Atlanta and he started by indicating that Atlanta is looking to “get a read” on Doncic’s status. (via KL Chouinard of Hawks.com) “I had a chance to sit down with his agent last week in Chicago and try to get a read on the situation, and his agent obviously was flying over to the (EuroLeague) Final Four in Belgrade. He’ll get back to the States this weekend and we’re going to circle back with him.” – via Peachtree Hoops


So the Hawks GM sat down with Duffy at the combine to find out what the deal is with Doncic (If he was coming over this season), and im assuming wasnt told yes or no since he speaks about getting ahold of Duffy this weekend (After Doncic's playoff win) to find out.

So sure, you can say Doncic was just being polite to the media when asked if he was coming to the NBA, but for his agent to not give an answer to a potential suitor with a high draft pick......makes you think......


Once again, i sincerely apologize. So much info everywhere and trying to keep up with everything and reposting it, it can get a bit confusing sometimes. It was the Hawks, not the Kings.
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Post#1695 » by SlovenianDragon » Fri May 25, 2018 6:15 am

I think the reason a lot of the NBA these days focuses on 3s and shooting is because theres not a lot of good centers. Only reason imo. The game hasn't changed just good centers are hard to come by.

Im sure most of you remember how many times we got destroyed by other teams because their centers went off on us. Not because theirs was even good just ours sucked more. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE SHEET CENTERS HAD CAREER NIGHTS AGAINST US.

Another thought instead of trying to get another wing to compete in "the league of wings" We draft a center that will beat the crap out of other centers something we havnt had. Especially in a league with mediocre centers that's a GREAT thing to have going for you.

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Post#1696 » by lilfishi22 » Fri May 25, 2018 6:17 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:
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Yeah, i read that teams drafting high are scared s***less to draft guys without seeing medicals. They want to make sure EVERYTHING is structurally sound so you wont go down 2 years down the line. Like it is a really big deal.

Also kinda funny, When Luka told the media that he wasnt sure if this was his last season in the Euroleague, people tried to brush it off as him being polite and saying the right thing to the media when he was put on the spot, yet the Kings FO had a sit down with Duffy at the Combine in private and still didnt get any kind of answer, instead telling the media person who reported it that they would "Circle back with him at a later date". No need for Duffy to be polite for fans (Specially when none are there) or "Save face in the media" when none were present. SOunds like to me they got the brush off. This was a day or two before the report that they wernt so high on him and were really liking Porter Jr. I wonder if they got the impression from Duffy that he wouldnt be in Sactown, and the report of them not being high on him and liking someone else more is to save face with the rest of the league along with their fans. Like we didnt draft him because we liked Porter better, not because he wouldnt player here because our town/organization sucks.

That's what I took as the reason for all this Doncic falling talk. Teams aren't going to take a chance with a guy who may not come over if he doesn't like who he's drafted by. With all the 'connections' Sactown have to the European game (Peja, Divac, Bogdan) and a clear need for an elite secondary initiator, if Doncic still doesn't want to go there, I wonder if the Slovenian equivalent of the word dumpster fire is what he thinks of them lol


Sounds like something Kerrsed made up, although I’d love for the user to provide a link to whatever he’s saying.

All reports from Doncic/Duffy in English and Slovenian that I’ve read have either been positive or non committal.

The Suns organization has been a dumpster fire, and I’d much rather live in Sacramento than barren Phoenix, but that’s not what this board should be for. No need to attack other orgs, Kings fans have had their fill of this

The first big of my post about the reason for him dropping in the draft is my opinion. I do think he's dropping because there's teams he doesn't want to go to and his agent and his own posturing is evidence of that. I don't have proof Sacramento is one of the teams he doesn't want to go to but given the reports that he may drop, I can only assume Sacramento is one of those teams since the Kings have the #2 pick. For all I know, he might not even want to go to Phoenix either, we have less connections (outside of Koko) to him than Sacramento

The 2nd half of my post was a joke. Apologies if you took offense. I'm from Australia so where my team or your team is geographically located means very little to me.
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Post#1697 » by Kerrsed » Fri May 25, 2018 6:22 am

As for the dumpster fire remark, we know very well what it feels like:

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Post#1698 » by Villalobos » Fri May 25, 2018 6:22 am

BoogieTime wrote:The Suns organization has been a dumpster fire, and I’d much rather live in Sacramento than barren Phoenix, but that’s not what this board should be for. No need to attack other orgs, Kings fans have had their fill of this


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Post#1699 » by 8on » Fri May 25, 2018 6:29 am



I agree wholeheartedly and completely with the analysis on Doncic.
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Post#1700 » by kingstyyyle » Fri May 25, 2018 6:30 am

Yarf I'm from The Bay and I would waayyyyy rather live in Phoenix than in Sac.

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