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2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

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Who do you prefer of the following prospects?

Desmond Bane
12
41%
Saddiq Bey
1
3%
RJ Hampton
1
3%
Kira Lewis Jr
4
14%
Tyrese Maxey
2
7%
Aaron Nesmith
2
7%
Isaac Okoro
1
3%
Jalen Smith
2
7%
Tyrell Terry
2
7%
Patrick Williams
2
7%
 
Total votes: 29

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Post#1681 » by Crives » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:32 pm

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https://bluemanhoop.com/2020/10/11/potential-2020-nba-mock-draft-golden-state-warriors-trade-suns/

I decided to finally change the poll and directed it towards this trade idea/mock.


This trade is more about clearing cap space then moving up in my opinion. If Wood and Grant want to come to phx, this deal could make sense. In this scenario Phx should immediately trade #2. Something like #2 for Luke Kennard + #7 or #2 for #8 + #27 + future Dallas 1st..

PG -Rubio//Luke/Payne
SG - Booker/JC/Payne
SF - Bridges/Cam
PF - Grant/Wood
C - Ayton/Wood

+ a rookies from trade.
Even without Oubre on the books theres no way to fit BOTH Grant and Wood. I honestly wouldn't give Wood a huge deal, he kind of screams inflated stats on a bad team buyer beware guy.

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19m cap space if we drop Baynes + Dario. ~33m if we trade Oubre... 16m per for each feels about right.. and we could clear more space by moving the pick(s).
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Post#1682 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:23 pm

https://www.google.com/amp/s/therookiewire.usatoday.com/2020/09/22/cleveland-cavaliers-nba-draft-trade-rumors/amp/

The Cavs will be active this offseason. They will explore trade opportunities, using the No. 5 pick as bait. Sources say owner Dan Gilbert will allow the front office to take on future salary — if the move makes sense and the piece coming back significantly improves their chances either in the short or long term. But activity doesn’t always lead to action.

The Cavaliers, like every team in the NBA, will listen to offers and do their due diligence when it comes to the draft. The Cavaliers are far from a finished product so general manager Koby Altman will look for the best moves to make through the draft and free agency.

Of course, the Cavaliers could also hold onto the pick if the right offer isn’t presented. Cleveland is projected to select international prospect Deni Avdija in the latest 2020 NBA Rookie Wire Mock Draft


Should a trade with the Cavs be a consideration for us, As it would potentially afford us any one of: Hayes/ Haliburton/ Toppin/ Vassell or Avdija? Is there anything that we both would have of mutual interest, Knowing that Jones does have a connection with the Cavs, etc. Would this be an appropriate time to perhaps consider taking back Love in return for the 5th pick?

Maybe something along the lines of:
https://tradenba.com/trades/LLYtG1c-8
- Phoenix gets the 5th pick for either Vassell ( my primary choice) in this scenario, Or Hayes or Haliburton? Then add Bryn Forbes or Alec Burks with the room exception. Would adding Love to our frontcourt, And possibly Vassell or Haliburton or Hayes or Avdija possibly vault us into the playoffs finally? And would that be worth passing on the highly anticipated 2021 free agency?
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Post#1683 » by Kerrsed » Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:31 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/therookiewire.usatoday.com/2020/09/22/cleveland-cavaliers-nba-draft-trade-rumors/amp/

The Cavs will be active this offseason. They will explore trade opportunities, using the No. 5 pick as bait. Sources say owner Dan Gilbert will allow the front office to take on future salary — if the move makes sense and the piece coming back significantly improves their chances either in the short or long term. But activity doesn’t always lead to action.

The Cavaliers, like every team in the NBA, will listen to offers and do their due diligence when it comes to the draft. The Cavaliers are far from a finished product so general manager Koby Altman will look for the best moves to make through the draft and free agency.

Of course, the Cavaliers could also hold onto the pick if the right offer isn’t presented. Cleveland is projected to select international prospect Deni Avdija in the latest 2020 NBA Rookie Wire Mock Draft


Should a trade with the Cavs be a consideration for us, As it would potentially afford us any one of: Hayes/ Haliburton/ Toppin/ Vassell or Avdija? Is there anything that we both would have of mutual interest, Knowing that Jones does have a connection with the Cavs, etc. Would this be an appropriate time to perhaps consider taking back Love in return for the 5th pick?

Maybe something along the lines of:
https://tradenba.com/trades/LLYtG1c-8
- Phoenix gets the 5th pick for either Vassell ( my primary choice) in this scenario, Or Hayes or Haliburton? Then add Bryn Forbes or Alec Burks with the room exception. Would adding Love to our frontcourt, And possibly Vassell or Haliburton or Hayes or Avdija possibly vault us into the playoffs finally? And would that be worth passing on the highly anticipated 2021 free agency?


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Post#1686 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:23 pm

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We really need to have this guy near the very top of our big board. Technically, He should be 2nd after only Toppin for our frontcourt considerations.
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Post#1688 » by cberry78 » Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:58 pm

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We really need to have this guy near the very top of our big board. Technically, He should be 2nd after only Toppin for our frontcourt considerations.

Agreed. Our need for a legit 4 with legit size is more important than a 3rd guard, or a 19th wing. Toppin and Smith are 1 and 2 on my list - Toppin I would trade up for, and Smith I might be OK with at #10.
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Post#1689 » by DirtyDez » Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:26 am

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DirtyDez wrote:The Warriors can’t pay Oubre. They’d need to move Wiggins.
They have a trade exemption from the Iggy trade that Oubres contract this coming season would fit. They would have one hell of a luxury tax bill though.

I'm not in the must trade oubre camp nor do I like the top of this draft class but you have to consider this because you'd not only move up but moving Oubres deal would open them up to grabbing another $12mil+ type UFA while keeping Dario. So for the suns it would basically be 2+ UFA for Oubre and 10.

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They already have the non-personality version of Kelly Oubre in Andrew Wiggins. If they can’t find the right deal they may go with the best fitting role player like Obi or Vassell.
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Post#1691 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:34 pm

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I like this way of classifying positions better than the old school 1-5 approach.

He's high on my guy Patrick Williams. He might be my favorite take a gamble at 10 prospect. The suns don't really have someone like him.

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Post#1692 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:44 pm

https://www.latintimes.com/nba-rumors-knicks-may-trade-pick-only-interested-ball-and-wiseman-462619

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/10/13/new-york-reportedly-willing-to-trade-back-from-no-8-slot-in-nba-draft/

According to two league sources, the Knicks are seriously mulling trading back in the Nov. 18 draft unless big man James Wiseman or point guard LaMelo Ball fall back to the eighth spot…

One source senses the Knicks have Ball and Wiseman as two players they absolutely “love,” and haven’t been as smitten yet with any other prospect in a consensus weak draft.

At No. 8, the Knicks have staged internal talks about swapping back with a team in the Nos. 12-15 range to gain a young player in his rookie contract while still making a lottery pick.

"Every team is blowing smoke right now"


Aside from this, The most recent rumors are that New York is actually contemplating trading back into the teens to draft Maxey. But this article cites, New York only having strong interest in two prospects. Those two being: LaMelo Ball and James Wiseman. Seems like the Knicks are doing Knicks things again! ( Only considering Wiseman or Ball at 8) :crazy: But could this an opportunity for us in a 3 way trade perhaps? Any thoughts or ideas on how this could work under the premise of a 3 way trade scenario?

New York- Gordon/ Markelle Fultz/ 15th?
Orlando- Dennis Smith Jr/ Taj Gibson/ 8th pick?
Phoenix- ??? For the 27th pick or Oubre for Cap space + 27th pick/ Dallas unprotected 2021 first? Then go sign Wood or Grant? To replace Oubre on a cheaper contract than what he'll bid in 2021 anyways? At 10, Draft Bane?
Or IF we're keeping Oubre, Then maybe just trade something along the lines of Kaminsky/ Jerome/ future 2nd for Ellington/ 27th pick?

10- Draft Bane ( IF NOT VASSELL).
27- Draft Tyler Bey or Paul Reed ( defensive compliment) to Oubre at the 4 ? :dontknow:
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1693 » by RunDogGun » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:33 pm

I don't see the point in trading Oubre, especially for a lateral move in Grant. Also, what happens if we make a move trading Oubre before the draft, and don't get Grant or another free agent to fill that cap space?

Honestly, the only deal i might even consider with Oubre in it outside of a superstar return, would be #2 and trade exemption for Oubre and future first rounder. I don't want to trade our #10 yet. I would hate to lose the heart of our team in Oubre, but having two top ten picks in this draft could bring us solid players to develop in this new culture.

Doubt it is possible, but it would be nice to grab one of the best guards with the #2 and Smith with #10, or Toppin at #2 and hope one of the guards fall to #10 like Vassel.
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Post#1694 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:53 pm

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Post#1695 » by Saberestar » Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:24 pm

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Interesting, but I think that we can probably get Haliburton staying pat at #10.

Sam Amico has Haliburton going #11 to the Spurs in his latest mock. And another insider has heard that he can be available in our range too...
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Not sure if there's much difference between Hayes and Haliburton as a prospects. Hayes looks a better shot creator.
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Post#1696 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:40 pm

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Interesting, but I think that we can probably get Haliburton staying pat at #10.

Sam Amico has Haliburton going #11 to the Spurs in his latest mock. And another insider has heard that he can be available in our range too...
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Not sure if there's much difference between Hayes and Haliburton as a prospects. Hayes looks a better shot creator.
Haliburton being there at 10 would probably make this an easy draft for JJ. Good fit and seems exactly like the type of player he likes.

My take on Hayes vs Haliburton is Hayes has more upside because if his shot comes around he could be a two way monster. He probably has more ability to create his own shot. Haliburton is safe in that he'll be a good team defender and spot up shooter but probably not a guy who will be great off the bounce.

Gery has some info but he's also the most hated bucks reporter of all time. Kind of a crochety prick lol

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1697 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:29 pm

RunDogGun wrote:I don't see the point in trading Oubre, especially for a lateral move in Grant. Also, what happens if we make a move trading Oubre before the draft, and don't get Grant or another free agent to fill that cap space?

Honestly, the only deal i might even consider with Oubre in it outside of a superstar return, would be #2 and trade exemption for Oubre and future first rounder. I don't want to trade our #10 yet. I would hate to lose the heart of our team in Oubre, but having two top ten picks in this draft could bring us solid players to develop in this new culture.

Doubt it is possible, but it would be nice to grab one of the best guards with the #2 and Smith with #10, or Toppin at #2 and hope one of the guards fall to #10 like Vassel.


For my part, My only interest towards trading Oubre would be IF the front office either INTENDS to move him because they've reached a monetary impasse on contractual value in order for him to resign with us, Or if they've had internal discussions, And their determination is that he DOES NOT intend to resign with us? Having said that, I don't think that we necessarily need to trade Oubre.


IF we can move the 10th pick ( trade back scenario) for either the 14/26 or to Dallas for the 18/31. And then get Bane with our first pick, And a frontcourt player ( 4/5 Big) with our late first/ early 2nd. Bane would help with floor spacing for Oubres' and Bookers' penetration. And one of Paul Reed, Tyler Bey, Reggie Perry, Xavier Tillman or Daniel Oturu to bolster our frontcourt.

Then IF we release/ renounce Kaminsky/ Diallo/ Okobo/ Owens, Then we should have a combined:
8.85 million that we could put towards a veteran backup guard option. Perhaps one of Clarkson or Augustine?
Then maybe use the MLE for Holiday or for Milsap. And IF we renounce Baynes, And his cap hold comes off, That's around 10.3 million that we can add to the 8.8 million, Giving us around 19.1 million. I'd use that 19 million to sign Woods to a contract at around 33/3 Tops. With benchmark incentives for production/ improvement. Then resign Baynes at around 14-16/2 ( 2nd yr team option) or 7-8 million per.And have Saric/ Woods split time at the backup 5 depending upon the situation. Saric for the heavier centers, And Woods for the skinnier, longer, more athletic centers.

Of course, Perry or Oturu could easily cover for the heavier centers if necessary! :wink:
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Post#1698 » by Kerrsed » Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:52 pm

Ok, here is the deal with Hayes vs Haliburton: The are both playmaking PG's with good size. Hayes is rated as high as he is based off his potential more than what he has actually shown. Haliburton is kinda the opposite, he doesnt have the high ceiling that Hayes has, but he is currently the much better player with plenty of stats to back it up. Haliburton is more low risk low reward and Hayes is high risk high reward. I hate using NBA player comparisons that ive seen others use, but i think with Hayes, if he reaches his full potential, you will end up with a taller D’Angelo Russell type PG, but as he currently sits he is more like Michael Carter Williams. Now with Haliburton i have seen the Shai Gilgeous-Alexander comparison thrown out there, but SGA had better athleticism, speed, and defense. I see Lonzo Ball as a decent comparison. Good height, solid passer/playmaker, has a weird shooting form that works well for him, and trys avoiding contact when attacking the rim. Defense is both kinda questionable for both Hayes and Haliburton, not terrible, just ok with each guy having question marks in different areas.

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I still think that they both will be gone by #10. I have a feeling that there will be less drafting based on position of need and more-so on BPA, and these are two of the top guys.
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Post#1699 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:07 am

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/10/lack-of-consensus-on-prospects-could-shake-up-draft.html

Lack Of Consensus On Prospects Could Shake Up Draft
October 8th, 2020
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Former North Carolina guard Cole Anthony has long been considered a probable lottery pick in the 2020 draft, ranking 14th on ESPN’s top-100 list even after an underwhelming freshman season. However, Jonathan Wasserman of Bleacher Report (Twitter link) says he recently spoke to one executive who has Anthony at No. 35 on his big board.

Different teams having differing opinions on certain draft prospects is hardly breaking news, but the lack of a consensus among clubs in their assessments of this year’s class seems more extreme than usual. Replying to Wasserman’s initial tweet, Kevin O’Connor of The Ringer observed that it’s amazing how “all over the place” people around the NBA are on this year’s draft.

It’s all over the map, this draft,” one team executive told Darren Wolfson of 5 Eyewitness News (Twitter link). “Seems everyone is thinking different and everyone is in trade mode.”

The circumstances surrounding this year’s pre-draft and scouting process have almost certainly contributed to the divided views on many of this year’s prospects.

Because the NCAA season was shut down in March due to the coronavirus pandemic, teams didn’t get a chance to evaluate players during the NCAA tournament and haven’t been able to bring them in for in-person workouts and meetings. The combine had to be significantly revamped as well. As a result, clubs have had to base many of their scouting reports off of virtual interviews and game film from at least seven months ago.

It’s hard to say yet how exactly the draft will be affected, but it sounds like it’ll be more challenging than ever to put together an accurate mock in 2020. And if everyone is indeed in “trade mode,” as Wolfson’s source suggests, it could make for an eventful evening on November 18.

It’s also worth noting that teams will have much more time to talk trades leading up to the draft — typically, there’s only about a week between the end of the NBA Finals and draft day, but that gap will be longer than a month in 2020, giving clubs plenty of time to explore all of their possible options.


So it's definitely going to be a pretty crazy night, With pretty much anything possibly happening! So far, There is Desmond Bane that we know of, With the Suns having mutual interest. But who knows what trades the suns may have up their sleeves towards additional assets as well?
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Post#1700 » by King4Day » Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:22 am

Many NBA teams are expected to take austerity measures this season due to the anticipated drop in revenues with the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic.

According to sources that spoke with Sam Vecenie of The Athletic, "teams will try to utilize two-way contracts and stashes earlier in this draft than in recent years."

Lu Dort and Terence Davis chose to go undrafted in order to choose their team to set themselves for a better payday sooner.

The 2020 class is not considered particularly impressive at the top of the draft, but it is seen as "relatively deep."


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Does this mean they expect teams to draft 'draft and stash' players earlier than the 2nd round?
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