The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens!

[bigfoot]

This board is dead! Indication to a lot of stuff all pointing to lack of enthusiasm.

My enthusiasm ticked up a tad bit for the draft mainly due to Fleming. I already was not happy about the Maluach pick. But I was praying hard Fleming would be our AVON pick (“make-up” pick for the bad pick in Maluach). Welp, so far all i got out of it was a kick in balls and an unimpressive 7 PPG and 4 RPB. BUT now the enthusiasm is trending back down.

At this point, I’d even be happy if we had a chance to tank the season to get the #1 pick. That’s out the window. And not good enough to make the playoffs (if I had money I’d put money down Suns don’t sniff the playoffs). We can’t be bad right now but we aren’t good enough to be “good”. PURGATORY!

LOOK, I’m trying….i really am trying to find something to be excited about. It’s hard when you know this team is stuck in purgatory for the NEXT FIVE long years or half a decade depending on how you look at it.

If these draft picks don’t hit, I am speechless. I mean what can you say? This team will be the most dysfunctional team in NBA history without a doubt. No team has traded away every asset for half a decade and went over the cap and has been successful. Top it off with the new CBA where you can no longer buy a championship, where assets and draft picks are now the GOLD standard. We are now the guy going to Barrett Jackson with a fist full of nickels expecting to get Bugatti!

The whole point of being a fan is hoping to celebrate or have a chance at celebrating the rise of a trophy. OR watching your rebuild come to fruition.

Been watching the Suns since 1993 (I was obsessed tot he point I knew every players number and stats without researching from 1993-2008. But That’s 32 years of my life waiting. Life is too short to keep waiting.

So you want to know why I hate dip$hip is of the power of a million Suns, it’s because you are taking away a precious next five more years of my life because of your buffoonery! I’m more of a suns fan that than dipstick of a human. The Suns are just his trinket while most Suns fans lived and breathed this and are/were obsessed.

What do I have to look forward to the next five years to be enthusiastic about?

the board is always at its slowest on Sunday, and even slower in the middle of July. Things won’t pick back up until the September

Yeah the only reason why there was any activity was the Beal buyout fiasco along with a smattering of summer league play. Media day isn't until Sept 30th so plan on a quiet board for a while. They 100% need to stay under the lux tax threshold to start eliminating the repeater tax. Only way the Suns use their MLE is if they are looking very competitive come mid-season. The Suns have $3.3M in cap space before they hit the lux tax threshold. That's a very thin wallet to sign any meaningful players and the Suns need one or two to fill out the roster. I'd count on Suns running with 14 players and their three two-ways for most of, if not all of the season.

I'd imagine the last spots shake out during training cap. Probably moving Brea to a standard contract and bringing on Boogie Ellis under a two-way.

That's your team

Green/Gillispie/Ellis(tw)
Booker/Allen/Brea
Brooks/O'Neale/Livers(tw)
Dunn/Hayes-Davis/Oso/Fleming
Williams/Richards/Maluach/Huntley(tw)

[SkyBill40]

Calling it dead is a bit premature. Hell, we just barely finished summer league and aren't anywhere close to training camp yet. Things will likely pick up at that point.

[lilfishi22]

Take it for what it's worth, but I know someone who works directly with Kuminga's camp on the private admin side of players and they claim he's a total idiot, Kerr hates him cause he doesn't listen, he and his agent are hard to work with cause they're a stubborn and arrogant camp and that's why the Warriors are so eager to unload him. Dude don't listen and doesn't follow Kerr's on court X's & O's and kinda does his own thing.

Not gonna be the best teammate -- and I even heard somebody on one of those Suns podcasts say "he can be a good mentor to Fleming" which is a joke. Dude can't be a mentor to anybody.

Nonetheless - I'd really take a shot at this. I still want him playing the starting PF to see what he's got.

I haven't really looked into it but it's certainly along the lines of what I've come across over the years when I've peeked into the Warriors board, occasionally on the GB and just what I've seen of him the few times a year we play them.

Just kind of a low BBIQ kinda guy as well

[lilfishi22]

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I don’t know what to think about Kellen Olson anymore. I feel like he sold his soul to get the attention of the Suns organization and to get a tad bit of attention because his opinions for the last few years are all “kiss the Suns ring” type of opinions. He rarely brings value to an actual basketball discussion. Basically I feel like his opinions bring little to no value.

Warriors have ZERO interest in anything the Suns have. There are plenty of guys I think would be “exactly what the Suns need” but reality of it happening are slim to none. That would be my first point.

My last point is, Kuminga is exactly opposite of what this team needs UNLESS he comes dirt cheap. This team needs high IQ, dirt workers, REBOUNDING machines and MOSTLY SKILLED players. Although I’m not a fan of Booker, he’s a skilled player, outside of Booker, this team has no real “skilled” players that excel at a particular skill. Maybe you consider Grayson because of the one thing he does do good which is three point shooting. And we are in wait and see mode with Green. Kuminga excels at nothing (has a low IQ which is why Kerr doesn’t play him in important situations and has benched him).

What’s the Vision of this team? Because it seems like everyday it’s something different with this FO. Is it “intensity”? Because we don’t have a lot of guys with that. Is it IQ? Again this roster isn’t exactly screaming brilliant players. Is it “shooting”? Is it smart basketball (Kuminga is opposite of smart basketball).

Dip$h!tbia vision changes week to week so I have no idea what’s going on.

Kuminga on a flyer and for cheap….Sure, why the hell not! Kuminga on a $80 million contract and the last crumbs of assets you have……no f$&king way!!!

I don't know how often you've listened to his Empire of the Suns broadcast but he's been consistently critical of the Suns for some time now. I think he was basically out on the Suns by like Nov-Dec of this past season. He's far from selling out

I don't disagree on his take that we need to take shots on this young guys to get points on the board given how few draft picks we have. Guys like Dunn, Oso, Maluach, Fleming, Brea are all shots you're hoping could turn into real buckets. Hell, one could even argue Williams at 23-24yo is in that group (I wouldn't because I'm low on him but still).

That being said, I think JK is pretty risky, for many of the points you've laid out. I see the argument on taking on gamble on someone who *could* break out but given his subpar IQ and the fact that he was a worse player in his contract year than in any other year of his young career, I'd probably pass.

[lilfishi22]

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Any intruiging names left on here that standout to anybody for PG and/or PF??

Giddey for PG

and

Giddey for PF

[King4Day]

Grayson Allen, and a future 1st, and 2 seconds for Collin Sexton. Make it happen

Suns have no tradeable 1sts. Given they traded Nurk for Sexton, I wouldn't be comfortable at all giving up any significant assets in a deal for him.

Why not? Sexton is a good PG! On a good contract

His value doesn't suddenly go from a negative asset in Nurkic to a 1st rounder.
If they want Royce or Grayson for him, by all means. But I'm not giving up a 1st when all it was proven to take was a bad player

[lilfishi22]

Of course not. They just don't seem to have any desire, again, to sign for a position of need. I get there's not much out there as far as PG goes, but are they even looking? Or have they just settled?

I'm not sold on Kuminga being the answer for us either, and I especially disagree with his contract value. Getting him is going to put us right back into an apron situation. We need to see what we can do with what we have or play it smart and see what becomes available. If we're going to make a trade, I'd prefer it be O'Neale sent out.

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I hear you, I just found it a little odd to use their failed pursuit of a "point guard" as the evidence of that point.

To be honest, I've never been high on Green and we should have centered the deal on Smith instead, but I don't think HOU was interested in giving him up. We may have been better off sending Durant to MIN instead, but I doubt they play ball seeing it was clear he wouldn't re-sign there.

I don't know, man. I just lack confidence in a Booker/Green backcourt.

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I think dealing with Houston was still the right call. For better or for worse, it gave us an opportunity to pick at #10 as opposed to #17 and while you could argue Gobert is a better fit on a team that didn't have a C and Green not being an ideal fit with Book, I do think that Green is the right call as he's younger, has more potential and again, it's about taking opportunities where you can find them.

[lilfishi22]

This board is dead! Indication to a lot of stuff all pointing to lack of enthusiasm.

My enthusiasm ticked up a tad bit for the draft mainly due to Fleming. I already was not happy about the Maluach pick. But I was praying hard Fleming would be our AVON pick (“make-up” pick for the bad pick in Maluach). Welp, so far all i got out of it was a kick in balls and an unimpressive 7 PPG and 4 RPB. BUT now the enthusiasm is trending back down.

At this point, I’d even be happy if we had a chance to tank the season to get the #1 pick. That’s out the window. And not good enough to make the playoffs (if I had money I’d put money down Suns don’t sniff the playoffs). We can’t be bad right now but we aren’t good enough to be “good”. PURGATORY!

LOOK, I’m trying….i really am trying to find something to be excited about. It’s hard when you know this team is stuck in purgatory for the NEXT FIVE long years or half a decade depending on how you look at it.

If these draft picks don’t hit, I am speechless. I mean what can you say? This team will be the most dysfunctional team in NBA history without a doubt. No team has traded away every asset for half a decade and went over the cap and has been successful. Top it off with the new CBA where you can no longer buy a championship, where assets and draft picks are now the GOLD standard. We are now the guy going to Barrett Jackson with a fist full of nickels expecting to get Bugatti!

The whole point of being a fan is hoping to celebrate or have a chance at celebrating the rise of a trophy. OR watching your rebuild come to fruition.

Been watching the Suns since 1993 (I was obsessed to the point I knew every players number and stats without researching from 1993-2008. But That’s 32 years of my life waiting. Life is too short to keep waiting.

So you want to know why I hate dip$hipbia with the power of a million Suns, it’s because he is taking away a precious next five more years of my life because of his buffoonery! I’m more of a suns fan that than dipstick of a human. The Suns are just his trinket while most Suns fans lived and breathed this and are/were obsessed.

What do I have to look forward to the next five years to be enthusiastic about?

It's the offseason. It's always been like this

[Calvin Klein]

At this point, I’d even be happy if we had a chance to tank the season to get the #1 pick. That’s out the window. And not good enough to make the playoffs (if I had money I’d put money down Suns don’t sniff the playoffs). We can’t be bad right now but we aren’t good enough to be “good”. PURGATORY!

LOOK, I’m trying….i really am trying to find something to be excited about. It’s hard when you know this team is stuck in purgatory for the NEXT FIVE long years or half a decade depending on how you look at it.

If these draft picks don’t hit, I am speechless. I mean what can you say? This team will be the most dysfunctional team in NBA history without a doubt. No team has traded away every asset for half a decade and went over the cap and has been successful. Top it off with the new CBA where you can no longer buy a championship, where assets and draft picks are now the GOLD standard. We are now the guy going to Barrett Jackson with a fist full of nickels expecting to get Bugatti!

The whole point of being a fan is hoping to celebrate or have a chance at celebrating the rise of a trophy. OR watching your rebuild come to fruition.

Been watching the Suns since 1993 (I was obsessed to the point I knew every players number and stats without researching from 1993-2008. But That’s 32 years of my life waiting. Life is too short to keep waiting.

So you want to know why I hate dip$hipbia with the power of a million Suns, it’s because he is taking away a precious next five more years of my life because of his buffoonery! I’m more of a suns fan that than dipstick of a human. The Suns are just his trinket while most Suns fans lived and breathed this and are/were obsessed.

What do I have to look forward to the next five years to be enthusiastic about?

Exactly how I've been feeling for the last two years. Nothing to look forward to. At least no more watching KD in a Suns uniform is a plus.

[lilfishi22]

At this point, I’d even be happy if we had a chance to tank the season to get the #1 pick. That’s out the window. And not good enough to make the playoffs (if I had money I’d put money down Suns don’t sniff the playoffs). We can’t be bad right now but we aren’t good enough to be “good”. PURGATORY!

LOOK, I’m trying….i really am trying to find something to be excited about. It’s hard when you know this team is stuck in purgatory for the NEXT FIVE long years or half a decade depending on how you look at it.

If these draft picks don’t hit, I am speechless. I mean what can you say? This team will be the most dysfunctional team in NBA history without a doubt. No team has traded away every asset for half a decade and went over the cap and has been successful. Top it off with the new CBA where you can no longer buy a championship, where assets and draft picks are now the GOLD standard. We are now the guy going to Barrett Jackson with a fist full of nickels expecting to get Bugatti!

The whole point of being a fan is hoping to celebrate or have a chance at celebrating the rise of a trophy. OR watching your rebuild come to fruition.

Been watching the Suns since 1993 (I was obsessed to the point I knew every players number and stats without researching from 1993-2008. But That’s 32 years of my life waiting. Life is too short to keep waiting.

So you want to know why I hate dip$hipbia with the power of a million Suns, it’s because he is taking away a precious next five more years of my life because of his buffoonery! I’m more of a suns fan that than dipstick of a human. The Suns are just his trinket while most Suns fans lived and breathed this and are/were obsessed.

What do I have to look forward to the next five years to be enthusiastic about?

Exactly how I've been feeling for the last two years. Nothing to look forward to. At least no more watching KD in a Suns uniform is a plus.

If it makes you feel any better, the NBA moves in cycles. You're never great for a super long time and you're never terrible for a super long time either. There's mechanisms in place like the Stepian rule, like the NBA draft, like contract length limits and for better or for worse, the stretch provision which means you're never stuck for a super long time. There are always opportunities to get better.

[TeamTragic]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/2Jr4lO32Rb

“Jimmy, you vs. Devin Booker 1v1, who wins and what’s the score, game to 11.”
-Jimmy Butler: “Devin Booker. 11-0.”

We still love you Jimmy

[KdoubleDees23]

This board is dead! Indication to a lot of stuff all pointing to lack of enthusiasm.

My enthusiasm ticked up a tad bit for the draft mainly due to Fleming. I already was not happy about the Maluach pick. But I was praying hard Fleming would be our AVON pick (“make-up” pick for the bad pick in Maluach). Welp, so far all i got out of it was a kick in balls and an unimpressive 7 PPG and 4 RPB. BUT now the enthusiasm is trending back down.

At this point, I’d even be happy if we had a chance to tank the season to get the #1 pick. That’s out the window. And not good enough to make the playoffs (if I had money I’d put money down Suns don’t sniff the playoffs). We can’t be bad right now but we aren’t good enough to be “good”. PURGATORY!

LOOK, I’m trying….i really am trying to find something to be excited about. It’s hard when you know this team is stuck in purgatory for the NEXT FIVE long years or half a decade depending on how you look at it.

If these draft picks don’t hit, I am speechless. I mean what can you say? This team will be the most dysfunctional team in NBA history without a doubt. No team has traded away every asset for half a decade and went over the cap and has been successful. Top it off with the new CBA where you can no longer buy a championship, where assets and draft picks are now the GOLD standard. We are now the guy going to Barrett Jackson with a fist full of nickels expecting to get Bugatti!

The whole point of being a fan is hoping to celebrate or have a chance at celebrating the rise of a trophy. OR watching your rebuild come to fruition.

Been watching the Suns since 1993 (I was obsessed tot he point I knew every players number and stats without researching from 1993-2008. But That’s 32 years of my life waiting. Life is too short to keep waiting.

So you want to know why I hate dip$hip is of the power of a million Suns, it’s because you are taking away a precious next five more years of my life because of your buffoonery! I’m more of a suns fan that than dipstick of a human. The Suns are just his trinket while most Suns fans lived and breathed this and are/were obsessed.

What do I have to look forward to the next five years to be enthusiastic about?

the board is always at its slowest on Sunday, and even slower in the middle of July. Things won’t pick back up until the September

Yeah the only reason why there was any activity was the Beal buyout fiasco along with a smattering of summer league play. Media day isn't until Sept 30th so plan on a quiet board for a while. They 100% need to stay under the lux tax threshold to start eliminating the repeater tax. Only way the Suns use their MLE is if they are looking very competitive come mid-season. The Suns have $3.3M in cap space before they hit the lux tax threshold. That's a very thin wallet to sign any meaningful players and the Suns need one or two to fill out the roster. I'd count on Suns running with 14 players and their three two-ways for most of, if not all of the season.

I'd imagine the last spots shake out during training cap. Probably moving Brea to a standard contract and bringing on Boogie Ellis under a two-way.

That's your team

Green/Gillispie/Ellis(tw)
Booker/Allen/Brea
Brooks/O'Neale/Livers(tw)
Dunn/Hayes-Davis/Oso/Fleming
Williams/Richards/Maluach/Huntley(tw)

Yep and thats a 40 + Win team, and fun to watch. We will have youth, grit, athleticism, and Brooks will actually be vocal unlike Durant!

I bet this team will surprise you, + I think we make one more move, then see where we are by trade deadline.

Also all the SUNS fans who get on here and cry or be negative. Go pick another team that will make you happy! I am sick of this short life we live and all you do is come on here and cry. Its not worth it. Get out of here and pick a new team. I am sick of it and so are many other.

[KdoubleDees23]

Also what is funny is everyone is writing off Jalen Green already. Like give the dude a chance and hype him up. If he reads these or sees the fans already hating, he won't be happy being here. Be good fans and give him a shot.

My prediction

Booker 26 ppg
Green 24 ppg with greater efficiency than last year.

I do hope we get Kuminga as well. Dude hustles and athletic.

I also was one who think we should have kept Ayton and played till trade deadline

CP3
Booker
Craig
KD
Ayton

That team would have been a 50 + win team

[KdoubleDees23]

I actually think Nigel Hayes-Davis is going to be a surprise to a lot of people. He wants it, he will work, he will be aggressive!

[KdoubleDees23]

I just realized Hornets got Sexton. Is there any chance we can trade now or do we need to wait till later in the year?

Allen or Oneale and a bunch of 2nds for Sexton or Nick Richards and a handful of 2nds for Sexton, What would work?

[handsome salary]

This board is dead! Indication to a lot of stuff all pointing to lack of enthusiasm.

My enthusiasm ticked up a tad bit for the draft mainly due to Fleming. I already was not happy about the Maluach pick. But I was praying hard Fleming would be our AVON pick (“make-up” pick for the bad pick in Maluach). Welp, so far all i got out of it was a kick in balls and an unimpressive 7 PPG and 4 RPB. BUT now the enthusiasm is trending back down.

At this point, I’d even be happy if we had a chance to tank the season to get the #1 pick. That’s out the window. And not good enough to make the playoffs (if I had money I’d put money down Suns don’t sniff the playoffs). We can’t be bad right now but we aren’t good enough to be “good”. PURGATORY!

LOOK, I’m trying….i really am trying to find something to be excited about. It’s hard when you know this team is stuck in purgatory for the NEXT FIVE long years or half a decade depending on how you look at it.

If these draft picks don’t hit, I am speechless. I mean what can you say? This team will be the most dysfunctional team in NBA history without a doubt. No team has traded away every asset for half a decade and went over the cap and has been successful. Top it off with the new CBA where you can no longer buy a championship, where assets and draft picks are now the GOLD standard. We are now the guy going to Barrett Jackson with a fist full of nickels expecting to get Bugatti!

The whole point of being a fan is hoping to celebrate or have a chance at celebrating the rise of a trophy. OR watching your rebuild come to fruition.

Been watching the Suns since 1993 (I was obsessed to the point I knew every players number and stats without researching from 1993-2008. But That’s 32 years of my life waiting. Life is too short to keep waiting.

So you want to know why I hate dip$hipbia with the power of a million Suns, it’s because he is taking away a precious next five more years of my life because of his buffoonery! I’m more of a suns fan that than dipstick of a human. The Suns are just his trinket while most Suns fans lived and breathed this and are/were obsessed.

What do I have to look forward to the next five years to be enthusiastic about?

Ive a fan since 88. Can't recall being this apathetic towards a Suns season as this upcoming one. I can't sit through another 20 win season watching the team get blown out a good majority of time while the other team laughs away.

[Frank Lee]

This board is dead! Indication to a lot of stuff all pointing to lack of enthusiasm.
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What do I have to look forward to the next five years to be enthusiastic about?

Jeezus ya dolt….. it’s the off season part of the off season. Some don’t need to bttch about all things Suns all day long. Especially when there’s nothing going on. Take a break ferchristsakes. It’s on you to find something to look forward to, but not sure if you are familiar with that concept.

[Saberestar]

Marc Stein:

The Phoenix Suns are looking to add a veteran ballhandler after losing Tyus Jones in free agency, sources told Marc Stein of The Stein Line.

The team have been linked with Chris Paul, though Paul is now expected to sign with the Clippers.

The Suns have also been in recent contact with Ben Simmons, who has also drawn interest from the Knicks, Celtics, and Kings.

The Suns were also a finalist for Marcus Smart, though Smart signed with the Lakers after getting recruited by Luka Doncic.

[Saberestar]

I really hope that we don’t sign Simmons.

When I was watching Summer League I thought a couple of times that Oso is siilar to current Ben Simmons.

Oso is our guy and obviously is much younger and healthier, so why not give him the opportunity to play some minutes coming of the bench as a secondary ball handler initiator/creator?

[KdoubleDees23]

This board is dead! Indication to a lot of stuff all pointing to lack of enthusiasm.
………….

What do I have to look forward to the next five years to be enthusiastic about?

Jeezus ya dolt….. it’s the off season part of the off season. Some don’t need to bttch about all things Suns all day long. Especially when there’s nothing going on. Take a break ferchristsakes. It’s on you to find something to look forward to, but not sure if you are familiar with that concept.

100% Frank. Preach. If I got up and cried about something every single day, i would remove that from my life. I would go find something that would bring positivity and make me happy. Bunch of out here! Like its Monday. No news outside of the Summer League championship.