Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs

JMac1 · Post #1701 » by **JMac1** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:42 pm

I repeat. Keep Bledsoe, Len and Goran, those guys are better than the run of the mil players. A team with a superstar still needs top flight players to win. If Bledsoe learns to play like a beast every game. He is a star player!

carey · Post #1702 » by **carey** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:08 am

ginobiliflops wrote:Why are you trying to help Portland? It's very possible we're able to catch them now that Aldridge is out.

I don't know about that. Lets say that LMA is out for 18 games and they play .500 ball without him. That would put them at 40-22. We would need to go 14-4 over our next 18 to match. And while we have gone 14-4 over our last 18, I just don't know if it's repeatable with a lot of good teams coming up with a bunch of those being on the road.

carey · Post #1703 » by **carey** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:13 am

AtheJ415 wrote:Seriously? Matthews is younger so I get it from that standpoint, but I think you're giving too much credit to Matthews' suddenly improved offense. Dragic is still the better player, and Dragic can still play both guard positions, which Matthews can't.

Suddenly improved? He's actually the definition of consistent, dude.

The last 5 years: 15.9ppg on 45% and 40% from 3, 13.7ppg on 41% and 38% from 3, 14.8ppg on 44% and 40% from 3, 16.4ppg on 44% and 39% from 3, 16.5ppg on 46 % and 40% from 3.

AZWildByNature · Post #1704 » by **AZWildByNature** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:15 am

ChrisInAZ wrote:

This picture made me think about Bill Simmons' article from today, where he says:

Contract length matters — a newish wrinkle in an era defined by shorter guarantees, swollen caps and forward-thinking GMs who hoard cap space like it’s Walter White’s crystal meth recipe.
http://grantland.com/features/2015-nba- ... ue-part-1/

GetYourPHX · Post #1705 » by **GetYourPHX** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:21 am

AtheJ415 wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:
I was thinking about this recently and I don't think we can for a couple reasons.

With the addition of Bullock, we have 15 guys on the roster that our GM likes, and that all are young enough to be a part of the team going forward. We also have 1 or 2 first rounders this year we need to make room for, as well as another first in 2017 and Bogdan coming over as well.

We also have too many guys at the 1-3 slots (even assuming Green leaves) and, if no moves are made and assuming Wright is re-signed, 3 quality centers, which pigeonholes our draft selections as having to be a 4, which is a situation McDonough probably isn't a fan of.

With those additional picks coming over as well, our best interests are served by moving a package for an upgrade somewhere. We can't have a 20 man team.

I could see us making a run at a star if one becomes available, but that may not happen. Love is the closest to being available but if Cleveland turns it around he's staying.

To me, Phoenix holds out hoping one of Love, Cousins, or maybe a not yet, but young potential star like Tobias Harris.

Or, Phoenix trades in a guy like Green and Plumlee for a younger player under contract who can replace them, like a Ross or Jones, to push this situation to next year when the situation for stars has hopefully changed.

All I know is I don't want us selling low on Plumlee or Goodwin, and I don't want us keeping Green and letting him walk for nothing in UFA.

Next year's draft is fairly PF-heavy, which might allow us to take someone on, but I think there's a good shot we punt on next year's draft due to the sheer number of young players on our roster - rolling the pick forward to a future year.

This offseason could see a seismic shift with this group. Our cup runneth over. But the stars aren't available. Can McD keep this group together long enough to be able to make his deals? Really hard to figure out what's going to happen.

It's certainly PF heavy, and there are some SF's I like as well. I meant McDonough might not like it in terms of forcing his hand not to take the best player available. He seems like a bpa guy to me judging by the Ennis selection last year and Bogdan as well, who's more of a 2-3 wing.

I'm mostly interested to see what we do with Green. I just see Green as an asset that other teams need, and I just can't see him not getting more money than he's worth from some team, and even if he signed for what he's worth with the Suns, I want that transition for Archie and Warren to occur before 3 years from now. We need to get something for him. Plumlee is still under contract for a few years, so while he'd like to be moved I'm fine keeping him. He's pretty ideal as a backup big in this system.

I also wonder if we would be okay overpaying (in terms of trade assets) for Mirotic or Gibson. Chicago isn't looking to move either, but if you give them a deal they can't refuse they'll take it. If McDonough really has faith in the youngsters, it may still be a positive because there isn't a lot of sense in going 4 deep at each position. If we keep our picks and don't move anyone, that 4 deep look is what we're heading to.

I should have clarified that I hope that we don't make any moves this year during the season

I agree with you that with the amount of players we have, we have to make a move over the summer.

Zelaznyrules · Post #1706 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:08 am

carey wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:Why are you trying to help Portland? It's very possible we're able to catch them now that Aldridge is out.

I don't know about that. Lets say that LMA is out for 18 games and they play .500 ball without him. That would put them at 40-22. We would need to go 14-4 over our next 18 to match. And while we have gone 14-4 over our last 18, I just don't know if it's repeatable with a lot of good teams coming up with a bunch of those being on the road.

If they split their next 18, we have no reasonable shot at catching them. But their remaining schedule is almost as tough as ours. I don't think they play .500 ball against it or even close. Plus, I think it's just as likely that he misses more like 22 games and he could well struggle when he returns. Supposedly, his thumb is going to be an issue every time someone bangs him there for some time after he starts playing again.

Post #1707 » by **Qwigglez** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:21 am

The Blazers aren't going to split, they just lost to Boston.

AtheJ415 · Post #1708 » by **AtheJ415** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:29 am

carey wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:Seriously? Matthews is younger so I get it from that standpoint, but I think you're giving too much credit to Matthews' suddenly improved offense. Dragic is still the better player, and Dragic can still play both guard positions, which Matthews can't.

Suddenly improved? He's actually the definition of consistent, dude.

The last 5 years: 15.9ppg on 45% and 40% from 3, 13.7ppg on 41% and 38% from 3, 14.8ppg on 44% and 40% from 3, 16.4ppg on 44% and 39% from 3, 16.5ppg on 46 % and 40% from 3.

Either way, he's nowhere close to the offensive player Dragic is. Watch the games and the way he scores. There isn't a person who isn't a Wesley Matthews fanboy who would claim otherwise. You want to use the volume numbers to claim they're fairly equal offensively, when they aren't close.

AZWildByNature · Post #1709 » by **AZWildByNature** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:29 am

[tweet] https://twitter.com/the_picketfence/sta ... 66337?s=09 [/tweet]

Suns will need more than Ross for Plumlee and Ennis.

thamadkant · Post #1710 » by **thamadkant** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:55 am

Suns / Blazers

Tucker + Green + Plumlee + Suns pick 2016 lottery protected

For

Batum

C: Len / Wright
PF: Morris / Morris
SF: Batum / Warren / Bullock
SG: Dragic / Goodwin
PG: Bledsoe / Thomas / Ennis

Revived · Post #1711 » by **Revived** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:41 am

We need a good 3 & D player at SF, someone's that not a liability on offense.

Jdiddy701 · Post #1712 » by **Jdiddy701** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:51 am

1UPZ wrote:Suns / Blazers

Tucker + Green + Plumlee + Suns pick 2016 lottery protected

For

Batum

C: Len / Wright
PF: Morris / Morris
SF: Batum / Warren / Bullock
SG: Dragic / Goodwin
PG: Bledsoe / Thomas / Ennis

Great trade

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AtheJ415 · Post #1713 » by **AtheJ415** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:02 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:
1UPZ wrote:Suns / Blazers

Tucker + Green + Plumlee + Suns pick 2016 lottery protected

For

Batum

C: Len / Wright
PF: Morris / Morris
SF: Batum / Warren / Bullock
SG: Dragic / Goodwin
PG: Bledsoe / Thomas / Ennis

Great trade

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I approve of this. Batum or Hayward are the guys I'd want the Suns to get, once you remove the clearly untradeable guys like Durant, etc.. Although Hayward would cost more for Utah to consider moving him since they don't really have a reason to be concerned with his salary given their present situation.

thamadkant · Post #1714 » by **thamadkant** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:12 am

SF88 wrote:We need a good 3 & D player at SF, someone's that not a liability on offense.

Batum has an all-round game and smart... he raises the collective IQ of the lineup immediately.

AtheJ415 · Post #1715 » by **AtheJ415** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:27 am

1UPZ wrote:
SF88 wrote:We need a good 3 & D player at SF, someone's that not a liability on offense.

Batum has an all-round game and smart... he raises the collective IQ of the lineup immediately.

It's so frustrating to see people play this stupidly for huge stretches. Would definitely be welcomed.

We have to find a way to get Tobias Harris. I feel like he's also a damn good fit.

Revived · Post #1716 » by **Revived** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:33 am

Eff it, I'll even settle for Dudley. He's not the best defender or rebounder or scorer but one thing is for sure, he's not stupid.

DaleyBlind · Post #1717 » by **DaleyBlind** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:37 am

1UPZ wrote:Suns / Blazers

Tucker + Green + Plumlee + Suns pick 2016 lottery protected

For

Batum

C: Len / Wright
PF: Morris / Morris
SF: Batum / Warren / Bullock
SG: Dragic / Goodwin
PG: Bledsoe / Thomas / Ennis

I like this

YouTube · Post #1718 » by **Kerrsed** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:17 am

God the Clutchfan trade ideas just make me laugh. Check these two gems out!

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nnrbtf6

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p7bmveo

:lol:

Post #1719 » by **Qwigglez** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:03 pm

Only trade I'll ever include Len in.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lq94jtq

Give up Lakers 1st and our own 1st.

AtheJ415 · Post #1720 » by **AtheJ415** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:05 pm

Kerrsed wrote:God the Clutchfan trade ideas just make me laugh. Check these two gems out!

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nnrbtf6

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p7bmveo

I've seen the first one proposed before. It was justified as "I figure they'll need a replacement PG". You know they haven't thought it through when the whole reason they assume Dragic and Bledsoe are available is because they're sure the "3 PG thing can't work", and then they think to solve that issue that we'd want a PG or 2 in return and Nick Johnson, an undersized 2 guard. It's just absurd. Many of the players they offer wouldn't make our 15 man roster.

I wouldn't trade either Len or Bledsoe for Dwight straight up. If we were a Dwight type player away from actually contending I'd consider it, but as a rebuilding team (and we are. Just because we happen to be one of the better rebuilding teams despite a huge amount of youth doesn't change that and doesn't make us a title contender), why would we trade a 21 and 25 year old who will be in their primes when our supporting cast is finally ready to contend, for a 29 year old with health issues who will be in his early-mid 30's by that point?

They have a fundamental misunderstanding with where we are as a team. Half think we're in full-out contend for a title NOW mode, while the rest think we're dismantling the team for whatever we can get like when in the initial stage of a rebuild. We passed the latter point over the past 2 years, and are still a couple years away from the former.