Suns Offseason Thread 4: Where's Terrence Williams?

[Frank Lee]

With this out in the mainstream, I feel like a trade is imminent........

Way to go out on a limb ....

[saintEscaton]

Couple things:

-I've said all offseason the Suns will not trade Markieff Morris.. definitely not the case anymore. Suns LOVE Markieff, but this is going to change their mind QUICK.
-Suns should have called Markieff and Marcus when the trade went down. No excuse from a front office to not do that. I really understand how they could be pissed about that. Also, having Bledsoe, Knight, and Tyson involved with Aldridge and future plans but Markieff no where around shows no respect for him. I see where he could be upset.
-Saying all that, Markieff and Marcus did this to themselves. If you're Markieff - the fans and the city against him, why would you want to stay in Phoenix? I seriously think social media ruined this.

This is some nice apologia. You can play the blame game all you want and conjure up excuses but it doesn't change the matter of fact. The Morii knew that there wasn't a no trade clause in their contract and any verbal promise FO might have made about keeping them together for the forseeable future wasn't a binding agreement and could be breached without their consent. Obviously Kieff wasn't recruited to join the contingent to make the LMA pitch because he wouldn't want to aid and abet the process to replace him

[Frank Lee]

There's always someone who we sell low on, and it's not even a new season yet!

Give it a year until Rich Paul convinces Bledsoe to want out to Cleveland because LeBron says so, in exchange for Thompson, Shumpert and other scraps.

Just for the drama....

May be we send Kief to Clev under their TPE (Heyward)... then we take on Thompson for a yr under our newly acquired TPE...

Then we can look forward to Babby vrs Paul round 2.

[bwgood77]

I wonder if Detroit would consider Tucker and Morris for Stanimal and salary filler.

I'd love it but I seriously doubt it.

[Frank Lee]

Yeah, no matter how much you loathe the Morris twins and don't care about their individual plight, the fact that it has happened again and again and again is starting to get alarming. Making people feel valued and appreciated even when you intend to twist the knife is absolutely a skill. At some point, if he stays a GM, McDonough is going to have to proactively trade good players or fan favorites - not trade from a position of weakness or being blindsided, but actually trade valued, loved, and appreciated players to improve the team.

You can do that tactfully. There was a House episode way back in the day that touched on the fact that Dr. Wilson was so good at telling patients they had cancer that they would thank him when he told them. McD needs to take notes on that.

https://instagram.com/p/4rgdFns_q8/?taken-by=tgo_splitter

Here's the instagram picture Tiago Splitter put up after getting salary dumped for nothing but cap space by the Spurs. Some of this is probably definitely due to Tiago Splitter being an all around more reasonable and agreeable guy than the Morris twins, but at the same time he was probably treated in a manner that made him want to make this post, even if he was figuratively cast out into the cold. McDonough needs to start making sure his future breakups go more smoothly, and along lines like these.

I still don't especially care about any of these breakups, since the players are assets and the Suns are rebuilding (no matter how much Sarver wishes it were otherwise). It will be important down the line when (or if, at this rate) the Suns are actually competing. There is no harm in starting and getting that practice now.

yup, and yups to the other similar posts.

[bwgood77]

Also not a good look on McD. That's two players that's wanted out within a calendar year, although this one is probably not his fault. I wonder if this would have any effect on how players see McD as a GM. Surely hope not

No way. Everyone around the league knows they're headcases. That's our biggest problem trading him.

Agreed. Not sure why people are putting this on McDonough. He did nothing wrong here. As we all know, it's a business. Why the Morris' wouldn't understand that the Suns would be better with Aldridge is beyond me.
They get in trouble with the law and it's not a DUI or drug charge (most common with NBA players). This was assault. They should have known the countdown had begun when this occurred.

McDonough is doing a fine job IMO. No GM is perfect and fans will freak if he were to go. Better to know what you have than to go into the unknown again and risk signing another Blanks.

McD is a solid GM. I would prefer and think it would be more beneficial to build the team to have better communication with players on trades that were going to happen. The case with the twins is not an ordinary situation, so it might not be nearly as important most of the time, but if it is true that Markieff was happy Marcus is getting a better opportunity but wants to leave because of communication, that is a problem. Markieff, when it comes to public comments, seems to have been respectful and honest. If better communication to him regarding trading his brother would have made him happy to remain a Sun, then that is a HUGE circumstance that could have been done better by the front office as far as communication goes.

[Jdiddy701]

You have Bledsoe, Zoran & Goran Dragic, Marcus and Markieff Morris, and Gerald Green's agent that have said bad things about the Suns. Just not a good look for any free agents thinkin Phoenix.

[NTB]

You have Bledsoe, Zoran & Goran Dragic, Marcus and Markieff Morris, and Gerald Green's agent that have said bad things about the Suns. Just not a good look for any free agents thinkin Phoenix.

Tyson Chandler doesn't read NBA news then neither Brandon Knight.

[Jdiddy701]

You have Bledsoe, Zoran & Goran Dragic, Marcus and Markieff Morris, and Gerald Green's agent that have said bad things about the Suns. Just not a good look for any free agents thinkin Phoenix.

Tyson Chandler doesn't read NBA news then or Brandon Knight.

Chandler wouldn't have got that deal anywhere else.

[Jdiddy701]

Side news: Steve Nash just posted a picture on his Instagram account with him QRich, Marion, Amare and Joe Johnson. "Squad" he said.

[NTB]

You have Bledsoe, Zoran & Goran Dragic, Marcus and Markieff Morris, and Gerald Green's agent that have said bad things about the Suns. Just not a good look for any free agents thinkin Phoenix.

Tyson Chandler doesn't read NBA news then or Brandon Knight.

Chandler wouldn't have got that deal anywhere else.

Are you serious ? Yea maybe not 13 M per year but he could get at least 10 M per year from other teams including Dallas after DeAndre situation.

[Nando88]

I think once all this crap has cleared with QueefMo, Archie is gonna be the next to start bitching.


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[Nando88]

Side news: Steve Nash just posted a picture on his Instagram account with him QRich, Marion, Amare and Joe Johnson. "Squad" he said.

Squad indeed. Those were happier times.



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[Safety Pickle]

You have Bledsoe, Zoran & Goran Dragic, Marcus and Markieff Morris, and Gerald Green's agent that have said bad things about the Suns. Just not a good look for any free agents thinkin Phoenix.

What did his agent say about us? I thought there weren't any bad feelings when he left

[Qwigglez]

I think if Kieff goes, Goodwin goes with him.

[batsmasher]

You have Bledsoe, Zoran & Goran Dragic, Marcus and Markieff Morris, and Gerald Green's agent that have said bad things about the Suns. Just not a good look for any free agents thinkin Phoenix.

Ask Rich Paul what he thinks of the Suns now. Talking trash about a franchise when money is on the line doesn't count.

Goran's situation was interesting but really just a positional problem which made Goran speak publicly to force the FO's hand.

Green's agent got mad at Horny calling out his defense since it was his contact year. Money talks.

Then there's the Morrii, who clearly are in the right and should have the freedom to choose whichever team, whenever they like, because y'know.... they're inseparable, it's a new NBA rule (I think they're pushing to have it in the new CBA)

[Nando88]

I think if Kieff goes, Goodwin goes with him.

I think so too. He's praising him as such a positive person to be around . Lol



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[bwgood77]

Tyson Chandler doesn't read NBA news then or Brandon Knight.

Chandler wouldn't have got that deal anywhere else.

Are you serious ? Yea maybe not 13 M per year but he could get at least 10 M per year from other teams including Dallas after DeAndre situation.

It is probably an overpay in the current cap, but smart teams thinking ahead and locking in deals prior to the cap raise, are making deals that may seem like overpays but will shortly seem at worst reasonable, and likely like value contracts. The point is, if you have cap space, and you can't get better players, get the best ones you can.

I remember when Bill Simmons wrote about the Steve Nash signing we made. He said something like "Yes, everyone thinks this is an overpay, but even if you overpay for a nice yacht, at least at the end of the day, you still are the one with the nice yacht".

Edit: I just found the column from archives...this is the year after we were like 28-54....Simmons predictions for 2004-5

5. Phoenix
Any time you construct a free agent offer that's so insane, Mark Cuban studies it for a few minutes, then throws up his hands and says, "You know what, I can't match that thing" ... I mean, that's a pretty good sign you went overboard. Which is exactly what the Suns did by guaranteeing Steve Nash and his bad back $60 million. Crazy contract. Just crazy.

But you know what? They still ended up with one of the best point guards in the league. And yeah, maybe they overpaid for him. But that was the only way they were getting him. If you're spending $60 million on a $45 million luxury yacht, you may have overpaid, but you're still the owner of a $45 million yacht, right? That's what happened with the Suns. I watched them in person at the Staples Center last week, probably the happiest team I've seen in four years. And Nash was in the middle of everything. Suddenly Marion gets to do Marion things, and Johnson doesn't have to run the offense, and Stoudamire gets rewarded when he's running the floor, and Q gets his open looks ... everybody wins.

Of course, if Nash goes down, all bets are off. But this feels like a 50-win team to me. You will enjoy watching them. I promise.

(And by the way, if you haven't seen Yuta Tabuse in action, make sure you TiVo the next Suns blowout. I don't want to spoil it for you. Just imagine if you crossed Earl Boykins with a sushi chef, pumped caffeine into him and threw a uniform on him. Would you be interested to see what transpired? I thought so.)

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/041104

[letsgosuns]

Tyson Chandler and Brandon Knight each spoke extremely highly of the Suns organization. Both players said they did not even consider other teams after meeting with the Suns and committed immediately. I hold their opinions in much higher regard than losers like the Morris brothers. Then the Suns got Teletovich the day the Nets rescinded the team's qualifying offer. He also spoke about how much he wanted to play for the Suns.

Players like Zoran Dragic and Marcus Morris complaining is a joke. Talk about players that nobody cares about it. Zoran already got traded to Boston and then was waived. The Rockets traded Marcus for a second round pick and so did the Suns. Then you have Goran Dragic who is just an idiot. The way he spoke publicly says more about his character than the Suns'. Another player that complained was Frye. Look at him now. Had a terrible year and the Magic want to get rid of him. Lastly you have Gerald Green. How many teams has he been on? Going on his ninth year in the league and already been on eight teams. The point is that these are afterthought type players that have not done much in the league. I do not care what they have to say because personally, I am happy all of them are off the team.

I am not worried about the Suns getting a negative reputation around the league. Look at the main culprit who is complaining. It is Marcus Morris. He has not shut up about the Suns since he was traded. He is so hurt by the trade and cannot get over it. Remember he was the one that had a psychotic breakdown in the middle of a game on national television and looked like he was about to assault Hornacek. Players around the league know what is going on. Nobody is going to listen to the Morris brothers. Actions speak louder than words.

[AtheJ415]

I don't care at all about any of the guys who have badmouthed the Suns. Except for Goran, all of them are fools.