2019 Draft Discussion - Suns with 6th pick!

[alamin330]

Believing that the lottery is actually rigged is so childish

As is being intentionally naive and obtuse to fairly blatant measures of profit control. Just in order to nurture a false sense of comfort.

The NBA draft lottery is audited by Ernst and Young, a company worth more than the NBA. They have far bigger interests that would be jeopardized by letting the NBA rig the draft.

I think you underestimate the power of the 1%. Who really cares how much Ernst&young are worth if they operate with hush money. Actually you create more of a doubt by saying what you say because the more money you have the more you can get away with. It’s actually naive of you to think a multi billion dollar company wouldn’t be corrupt. Look at your history. Nice try though.

[RunDogGun]

New Orleans should trade that hostage-taking piece of **** cancer for whatever they can get and start fresh.

Absolutely tell that guy to eat dicks.

You bring a smile to my face BH. can I make a suggestion? I think if you added "a bag of" after eat, it sounds funnier to me.

Either way, hope all is well for you. You probably already voiced your opinion about the Lakers jumping us again, but damn that sucks, huh?

[RunDogGun]

So with AD still wanting a trade, and LA somehow lucking their way into the 4th spot, is there a way for us to get Ball from LA in a three way trade?

[RunDogGun]

Next question: Do we try and trade back with ATL, giving them the 6th pick and the 32nd for 8th and 10th pick? Grab White and Clarke, and find a way to dump Jailbird Jackson?

[handsome salary]

Glad the Suns got 6th. Let see how much savvy and ability this FO and coaching staff really has. Real positives can come from having the 6th pick. Don't **** it up.

[bigfoot]

Based on all the posted lottery conspiracies I would guess a full third of the board has been abducted by aliens at some point in their lives.

[NBA Fiend]

[WeekapaugGroove]

So with AD still wanting a trade, and LA somehow lucking their way into the 4th spot, is there a way for us to get Ball from LA in a three way trade?

Maybe. While this absolutely helps the Lakers get back in the AD trade possiblity I still think the Knicks are in play with 3 and they have those future Dallas picks that could appeal to NO. The clippers could put a decent package on the table too and Boston is still in play.

If they do trade him to the Lakers I imagine they get 4 so that begs the question if the Pels would really want another high pick for Ball? 1,4,6 seems like a lot of rookies to try to fit in. My guess is they would want a future pick from the suns and that's scary to me considering how **** loaded the west looks.

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[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Next question: Do we try and trade back with ATL, giving them the 6th pick and the 32nd for 8th and 10th pick? Grab White and Clarke, and find a way to dump Jailbird Jackson?

They moved back two spots last year to pick up that extra pick. Pretty sure they won't give up that pick just to reverse the deal this year - especially when, as far as I can tell, there is almost no difference in value between the #6 and #8.

I think this is pretty simple. We want to win now. Just draft the one player who will be available in our range who should be able to help us win games next season. Brandon Clarke.

[BobbieL]

Next question: Do we try and trade back with ATL, giving them the 6th pick and the 32nd for 8th and 10th pick? Grab White and Clarke, and find a way to dump Jailbird Jackson?

No. The Suns don't need two more top ten picks . They barely need the 6th pick as it is and sur do not need two more r Hell, I wanted them to trade the pick if it wasn't the First Pick -- even Ja, I wanted to trade. The Suns need to start getting older more mature players.


The pick dropping from 2 to 6 was worth 3.1m of cap space. So, not insignificant. If the Suns can move Jackson or Warren and the the pick, that would put them at pretty good cap space for PG and PF.

[WeekapaugGroove]

From the athletics most recent mock on Clarke:

"But when executives reached out to me afterward to chat about where players were placed, the message from most was that they felt Clarke was too highly placed. NBA teams are certainly mixed about his potential. Some executives are with me and believe that he’s a top-10 player (that’s where he’ll feature on my big board). But the overall tenor around the league sees him more as a top-20 guy as opposed to a surefire lottery pick. Thus, I’ve slid him down four spots to the Celtics, another smartly-run organization who could find value in Clarke’s unique skillset, particularly in regard to how it could translate in the playoffs if his offensive game comes along."



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[itlnsunsfan]

As is being intentionally naive and obtuse to fairly blatant measures of profit control. Just in order to nurture a false sense of comfort.

The NBA draft lottery is audited by Ernst and Young, a company worth more than the NBA. They have far bigger interests that would be jeopardized by letting the NBA rig the draft.

I think you underestimate the power of the 1%. Who really cares how much Ernst&young are worth if they operate with hush money. Actually you create more of a doubt by saying what you say because the more money you have the more you can get away with. It’s actually naive of you to think a multi billion dollar company wouldn’t be corrupt. Look at your history. Nice try though.

Why would Ernst & Young want to be involved in that?

[BobbieL]

From the athletics most recent mock on Clarke:

"But when executives reached out to me afterward to chat about where players were placed, the message from most was that they felt Clarke was too highly placed. NBA teams are certainly mixed about his potential. Some executives are with me and believe that he’s a top-10 player (that’s where he’ll feature on my big board). But the overall tenor around the league sees him more as a top-20 guy as opposed to a surefire lottery pick. Thus, I’ve slid him down four spots to the Celtics, another smartly-run organization who could find value in Clarke’s unique skillset, particularly in regard to how it could translate in the playoffs if his offensive game comes along."



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Interesting notes on Clarke. But at a certain point in the draft - it truly comes down to the player and coaching and how they fit that player on their roster. For the Suns, if the expectation is to be like Tevon Looney or Jordan Bells of the world, run the floor, defend, block shots, put backs and let his offensive game develop, he could be a solid fit at the 4 for the future.

Tuned into Doug and Wolf this morning and Wolf asked "Douglice" about getting Ja Morant from the Grizzlies since they already have a PG in Conley. I guess Wolf thinks they would not be in need of a PG with COnley on the roster. WEll, thinking to myself, Conley is 31 and not really the future so maybe they want Morant

Second, Douglice answered with a couple draft picks maybe a pick and player. Meaning he was willing to give the farm for Morant. I turned off and realized this is why I don't listen to Doug and Wolf. Either they talk too much football or Doug is just an friggin idiot.

[oddity]

Culver seems like our guy in a vacuum if he's around at 6. He's a great two-way player, with a strong and lanky figure. I love the way he initiates contact on offense. I love the high release point on his jumper. I love the versatility he brings. It is just a real shame that he doesn't fit any positional need of ours.
Perhaps drafting Culver, trading TJ for a future pick and dumping JJ for cap space could leave us with enough space to offer a top point guard big money and resign Oubre. I wouldn't mind that.

[itlnsunsfan]

Culver seems like our guy in a vacuum if he's around at 6. He's a great two-way player, with a strong and lanky figure. I love the way he initiates contact on offense. I love the high release point on his jumper. I love the versatility he brings. It is just a real shame that he doesn't fit any positional need of ours.
Perhaps drafting Culver, trading TJ for a future pick and dumping JJ for cap space could leave us with enough space to offer a top point guard big money and resign Oubre. I wouldn't mind that.

Culver is a 2 guard.

[oddity]

With that said I've been going back and forth between him and Garland. Brandon Clarke is a great package of athleticism, touch, defense, and rebounding, but is his ceiling high enough for the #6 with no jumpshot? I also agree with some who have theorized the Lakers will grab Garland because of the Klutch connection, but who knows really?
What I've realized in my years of following the draft is that uncertainty is a sign of an overall weakness in talent. Last year seemed so easy to get a clear picture of which players outranked others, but this year feels much more murky. Last year there were a strong 7/8 guys that had serious all-star potential. This year who are the outstanding can't miss prospects outside of the top 3? Hunter, Garland, Clarke, White, Culver, all seem like solid rotational players but none jump off the page as surefire stars.

[bhawk]

With that said I've been going back and forth between him and Garland. Brandon Clarke is a great package of athleticism, touch, defense, and rebounding, but is his ceiling high enough for the #6 with no jumpshot? I also agree with some who have theorized the Lakers will grab Garland because of the Klutch connection, but who knows really?
What I've realized in my years of following the draft is that uncertainty is a sign of an overall weakness in talent. Last year seemed so easy to get a clear picture of which players outranked others, but this year feels much more murky. Last year there were a strong 7/8 guys that had serious all-star potential. This year who are the outstanding can't miss prospects outside of the top 3? Hunter, Garland, Clarke, White, Culver, all seem like solid rotational players but none jump off the page as surefire stars.

Is Clarke our Draymond Green? Glue guy who plays tough D?

[LordCovington33]

Based on all the posted lottery conspiracies I would guess a full third of the board has been abducted by aliens at some point in their lives.

Or befriended a Bigfoot. Unless they have Shin Lim in disguise using sleight of hand to change balls, I don’t know how they can rig it with the cameras focused on the balls and executives from each lottery in the room when the balls are drawn.

[WeekapaugGroove]

So I see a lot of 'tanking is out' talk around the NBA today.... Umm the **** Lakers and pels had two of the most shameless tanks to end last season.

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[BobbieL]

With that said I've been going back and forth between him and Garland. Brandon Clarke is a great package of athleticism, touch, defense, and rebounding, but is his ceiling high enough for the #6 with no jumpshot? I also agree with some who have theorized the Lakers will grab Garland because of the Klutch connection, but who knows really?
What I've realized in my years of following the draft is that uncertainty is a sign of an overall weakness in talent. Last year seemed so easy to get a clear picture of which players outranked others, but this year feels much more murky. Last year there were a strong 7/8 guys that had serious all-star potential. This year who are the outstanding can't miss prospects outside of the top 3? Hunter, Garland, Clarke, White, Culver, all seem like solid rotational players but none jump off the page as surefire stars.

I think if the Suns keep the pick and they get a rotational player that has a skill: maybe its like Clarke rebounding, defense, or shooting or whatever - thats fine. The Suns need role players too. Granted, if they draft the right player and he blossoms like Lillard (meaning keeping the 6th pick) or trading down and the guy becomes Giannis like - fine. But, role players are also needed. Maybe that is why Clarke is intriguing - just need him to be a rebounder, hustler, defender. As Mark Jackson says, things that you can bring to the floor every night.