2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 3 - Post Free Agency Discussion

DirtyDez · Post #1701 » by **DirtyDez** » Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:29 pm

We’re essentially helping two different contenders with that trade depending on where Jrue goes. I know the Bucks defense has holes now but with Middleton declining they needed to go heavy offense.

I still support the trade though. We have the best backup backcourt in the league in Gordon/Allen which is important when one or two of our starting guards miss games. I’m confident of Yuta/Naz will pop on the wing and you know you get with KBD/Okogie. Vogel is just so much better if a big-man coach than Monty so those guys will be maximized. Of course it will come down to luck and the timing of our injuries.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1702 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:35 pm

Gambo says he doesnt see a way to get McConnell as of now even though we have interest.

enigmatics · Post #1703 » by **enigmatics** » Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:37 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Gambo says he doesnt see a way to get McConnell as of now even though we have interest

What position are the Pacers weak at anyways?

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1704 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:38 pm

But we have so much flexibility to get 1-2 pieces at the deadline.

Really we can trade a package from these guys and not lose something essential - Gordon or Allen, Watanabe or Little, Bol, Lee, Okogie, Metu and we can get our guy or two guys to fix any needs come February.

Blonde · Post #1705 » by **Blonde** » Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:07 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:But we have so much flexibility to get 1-2 pieces at the deadline.

Really we can trade a package from these guys and not lose something essential - Gordon or Allen, Watanabe or Little, Bol, Lee, Okogie, Metu and we can get our guy or two guys to fix any needs come February.

That’s what I’m looking at too. Allen+Little+2nds could probably land good player, if the right guy becomes available. If not, I’m happy to carry both onto the playoff roster. Maybe cut Damion Lee for a buyout candidate if nothing else.

Stix · Post #1706 » by **Stix** » Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:09 pm

Why do people still listen to Gambo the Clown as if he is relevant?

RaisingArizona · Post #1707 » by **RaisingArizona** » Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:25 pm

I'm getting sick of hearing about TJ. Move on already please. Also I still don't like this deal at all and watching Ayton play at times drove me mad. I feel unhappy about it all but the roster looks formidable after getting Beal and Gordon so that turns it around for me. I guess I can accept it

darealjuice · Post #1708 » by **darealjuice** » Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:39 pm

Pacers signing Elfrid Payton is really weird

matt131 · Post #1709 » by **matt131** » Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:46 pm

Read on Twitter

Really good discussion on Nurkic. Basically said that if he can be a “buy in” guy and a “do your job” guy on defense, he’ll be good for the suns. They believe in his screen setting and rebounding. Nervous about his finishing.

They love the on ball defense from Little and his ability to shoot and take guys off the dribble a tiny bit. Mentioned he can grow with group. Said suns fans will have fun with Little if he stays healthy. Very young.

Mentioned Allen gets picked on a tiny bit on defense in the playoffs but has tremendous value from three for a team that didn’t take a lot. Harder to help off Allen than Okogie obviously.

The three guys gives the suns more room to figure out who their main players will be. Better options than before.

matt131 · Post #1710 » by **matt131** » Fri Sep 29, 2023 11:01 pm

Read on Twitter

Dr Manute · Post #1711 » by **Dr Manute** » Fri Sep 29, 2023 11:27 pm

darealjuice wrote:Pacers signing Elfrid Payton is really weird

TJ McConnell looks to be expendable for the Pacers. If the trade is finalized, I believe all we can offer for him right now is Grayson Allen due to CBA restrictions. Darn, I hope we keep Grayson, but I understand if a move is made. It would be beneficial to Portland and us if the trade was not finalized yet, because Portland is still looking to move Drew, and I would like the Suns to combine Keon Johnson with Ish and other stuff for TJ.

SunsRback4Good · Post #1712 » by **SunsRback4Good** » Fri Sep 29, 2023 11:33 pm

If Suns manage to acquire TJ Mconnell that should make us clear cut favorites for the title. Anyone disagrees is just a big time hater.

enigmatics · Post #1713 » by **enigmatics** » Fri Sep 29, 2023 11:44 pm

SunsRback4Good wrote:If Suns manage to acquire TJ Mconnell that should make us clear cut favorites for the title. Anyone disagrees is just a big time hater.

I'm so torn if it costs us Allen.

LV-Suns · Post #1714 » by **LV-Suns** » Fri Sep 29, 2023 11:49 pm

enigmatics wrote:
SunsRback4Good wrote:If Suns manage to acquire TJ Mconnell that should make us clear cut favorites for the title. Anyone disagrees is just a big time hater.

I'm so torn if it costs us Allen.

Allen is the better player. TJ is a nice backup PG, but he can’t get heavy minutes in the playoffs with no jumper.

Dr Manute · Post #1715 » by **Dr Manute** » Fri Sep 29, 2023 11:55 pm

LV-Suns wrote:
enigmatics wrote:
SunsRback4Good wrote:If Suns manage to acquire TJ Mconnell that should make us clear cut favorites for the title. Anyone disagrees is just a big time hater.

I'm so torn if it costs us Allen.

Allen is the better player. TJ is a nice backup PG, but he can’t get heavy minutes in the playoffs with no jumper.

Allen is a light's out shooter, and the kind of gritty player that this team needs. He is on an expiring deal at the end of this year, so maybe that could be a factor to trade him to Indiana, but we could always extend him during the year if he is fitting good. TJ would provide a facilitator that this team could use - So, I would like to get him, but just not for Allen.

bullsaficianado · Post #1716 » by **bullsaficianado** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 12:37 am

If we have to lose Allen trading for Mconnell forget it. I hope there is a way to land him without losing Allen.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1717 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 12:42 am

Could always let the season play out see what's needed, we can get McConnell in Feb if he's the missing piece.

Post #1718 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 12:53 am

King4Day wrote:
Calvin Klein wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
I haven't been here as much, but hasn't this trade only been a day? Enough time passed? Think about how long we talk about some things? People are still bring up Luka.

We did make one great trade this summer, but it was a no brainer and easy given Beal had a no trade clause so they had to trade him to us for whatever they could get. That is the biggest silver lining for this offseason for me. Two trades i didn't like, ESPECIALLY the KD one, not only Bridges/Cam pieces, but also all those unprotected firsts, leading also to the loss of GoK.

I don't really care about this one as much, though I don't think people realize that some of the main things people complained about with Ayton are worse with Nurkic (not finishing at rim, turnovers, wanting more touches), plus he can's shoot free throws or stay healthy.

DId GoK leave? I never really bothered reading his books turned posts but he seemed alright.

I think he was taking a break from here.
Hard to stay motivated to post when people can't simply ignore posts they have no interest in reading and rip on him instead. Some people need an outlet to vent on and for some reason people used him as their punching bag.

He never cared about that. He was good natured and never let it bother him or deter him.

Post #1719 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 1:14 am

AtheJ415 wrote:
matt131 wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:I'm just also thinking I think Nurkic is way better than Ayton at punishing smaller guys.

Draymond might start against him on opening night and Nurkic can back him down, Ayton wouldn't even try.

Dude, my 7 year old nephew who weighs 20 pounds soaking wet is better at punishing smaller guys than Ayton

Ayton shoots like 70% at the rim. Nurkic like 56 or 58%. There is literally nothing on the court that Nurkic does better than Ayton aside from shooting 3s. Even the passing I think it debatable.

There is no upside here. I actually watched a decent amount of Portland games last year and Eubanks is the better player than Nurkic pretty handily.

Ayton was 80% at the rim. Nurkic 64%. That was one of the things Portland fans were frustrated with...missing at the rim so much. That, turnovers and being slow. But he can probably be a more consistent interior defender and is a better passer than Ayton (though Ayton wasn't a bad passer). In general, I think with just more experience, things will probably flow a bit better and he won't get flustered as much.

But Portland's defense was better with Eubanks. And he is a 76% rim finisher. He also can shoot better than Nurkic from anywhere else too. Nurkic did hit more 3s but it's not like he hit a ton. He hit 42 last year and it has only been a 1 year thing and it was 36%.

I think Nurkic will just act as a connector and will rebound/defend inside. He's not much of a rim defender either averaging only .8 blk per game like Ayton. Eubanks averaged 1.3 in a lot fewer minutes.

Grayson Allen will be a nice add for his scrappiness and 3pt shooting. He's not great but is scrappy. Hopefully Little improves.

Post #1720 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 1:18 am

sunskerr wrote:
Calvin Klein wrote:DId GoK leave? I never really bothered reading his books turned posts but he seemed alright.

Haven't seen him in a while. After reading your post I sent him a dm to see how he's doing. People like him are pretty valuable for the board. Always some stuff to read and talk about when he posts.

If he left because of the toxicity (and let's be real there was toxicity towards him) I'd feel pretty bad. I know I had my fair share of stupid posts directed at him.

Heck I was pretty toxic yesterday towards sunsfan101

I sent him a DM July 10th after he stopped posting at the end of June. Never heard back. He talked of health problems on here a few times. I hope he is ok, but he hasn't even signed in for a long time.

With the Deandre trade, which is closer to your take?