Potential Trade Thread

[8on]

if i'm Morey.....

Dwight + Kieff = not a contender
Dwight + Anderson = max deal to RA when i already have D-Mo

but

Cousins + Kieff + Harden = in there
Cousins + anybody + Harden = in there

so.....

we (PHX) don't want Jones, we don't need Anderson, they want Cousins, we want Cousins, they can't get Cousins until they get rid of Dwight. but, adding Kieff to their current roster won't make them better. it might even make them worse.

so if i (Morey) want to make Houston better, i have to try for Cousins, trade Howard, or do both at the same time. everything else - like a trade for Kieff - could be centered on what i offer in a Cousins deal. also, a Howard deal would involve Houston getting a lot back. maybe Kieff becomes a piece of a huge blockbuster deal involving Cousins, Howard, and more. either way, the only way to make my team (Morey) better is by trading Howard and/or trading for Cousins, and seeing how the roster develops as a result of those moves. if he doesn't trade Dwight, and he bolts, Morey might not be able to recruit a free agent to the James Harden Misses No Less Than 15 Shots A Night show. that's why (in my opinion) Morey is 99% likely to trade him now, before he gets hurt again, and 40 games a season turns into 20.

all of that is why i doubt Houston will trade for Kieff unless they - somehow - manage to land Boogie. unless we can think of a different trade destination for Kieff - or land Boogie ourselves - i don't see Houston happening.

Detroit still makes a lot of sense, by the way. they're kind of hiding in plain sight.

Okay, but what does Houston have that could even remotely get them Cousins? Their young guys are awful asides from DMO and Jones. I like McDaniels and Harrell long-term, but them and every pick Houston has for the next 3 years with 0 protection wouldn't even be close to Cousins' value.

I agree they need to get a younger supporting star, but it's going to have to be the FA route like Dwight was.

i would say Dwight, D-Mo, Dekker and two 1sts, maybe

[AtheJ415]

if i'm Morey.....

Dwight + Kieff = not a contender
Dwight + Anderson = max deal to RA when i already have D-Mo

but

Cousins + Kieff + Harden = in there
Cousins + anybody + Harden = in there

so.....

we (PHX) don't want Jones, we don't need Anderson, they want Cousins, we want Cousins, they can't get Cousins until they get rid of Dwight. but, adding Kieff to their current roster won't make them better. it might even make them worse.

so if i (Morey) want to make Houston better, i have to try for Cousins, trade Howard, or do both at the same time. everything else - like a trade for Kieff - could be centered on what i offer in a Cousins deal. also, a Howard deal would involve Houston getting a lot back. maybe Kieff becomes a piece of a huge blockbuster deal involving Cousins, Howard, and more. either way, the only way to make my team (Morey) better is by trading Howard and/or trading for Cousins, and seeing how the roster develops as a result of those moves. if he doesn't trade Dwight, and he bolts, Morey might not be able to recruit a free agent to the James Harden Misses No Less Than 15 Shots A Night show. that's why (in my opinion) Morey is 99% likely to trade him now, before he gets hurt again, and 40 games a season turns into 20.

all of that is why i doubt Houston will trade for Kieff unless they - somehow - manage to land Boogie. unless we can think of a different trade destination for Kieff - or land Boogie ourselves - i don't see Houston happening.

Detroit still makes a lot of sense, by the way. they're kind of hiding in plain sight.

Okay, but what does Houston have that could even remotely get them Cousins? Their young guys are awful asides from DMO and Jones. I like McDaniels and Harrell long-term, but them and every pick Houston has for the next 3 years with 0 protection wouldn't even be close to Cousins' value.

I agree they need to get a younger supporting star, but it's going to have to be the FA route like Dwight was.

i would say Dwight, D-Mo, Dekker and two 1sts, maybe

I guess, but that's way below the other trades if I'm GM for Sacramento. The only way that would work is if I only cared about winning now, and while Sac is in win now mode currently, if they decided to move Cousins I believe they would want to rebuild. In terms of long-term assets, an aging Dwight who is destined to be overpaid on his next contract, DMo, who will cost near mini-max if not mini-max to re-sign, Dekker, who may never be a player in this league and already has huge injury concerns, and 2 late firsts, which is all Houston owns, is awful.

[TeamTragic]

So what do you suggest he do? Try to persuade ownership and the league to disband the team and call for league contraction? I mean, we've got who've we got right now and we don't have any top 5 picks in our pocket or a superstar. I don't think Kieff is going to attract either. Do you?

Fire Hornacek. Trade Markieff/Tucker for expiring contracts and/or picks and start Warren every game. Play Len, Warren, and Booker 25+ minutes every night regardless of wins/losses. Develop 100% for the future. Hope you win the draft lottery. That is not intentionally tanking. That is trying to build a winner. The Suns do not have a Durant/Westbrook/Harden type player right now but who cares. That does not mean you do not give your young players every chance to improve. Hornacek has rotations like he is in win-now mode which is a joke. This team's chances to win a championship this year are probably 0.0000000000001%. And most fans I know want to see the young players play as much as possible anyway.

The owner, Robert Sarver, says no way. Hornacek and McD are not allowed the easy way out and play the youth and hope for a top draft pick. If you were somehow in McD's position and tried this strategy Sarver would fire you in an instant.

First: Sarver doesn't want to play our youth for ONE SEASON and try to get Simmons? I have no words right now if that is true
Second: Why the **** hasn't a trade happened? Honestly. How much more does the FO think they will get for Kieff?

[bwgood77]

First: Sarver doesn't want to play our youth for ONE SEASON and try to get Simmons? I have no words right now if that is true
Second: Why the **** hasn't a trade happened? Honestly. How much more does the FO think they will get for Kieff?

First: Yes. Is Sarver right? No, I don't really like his mentality and have hated many of his decisions, but when it comes to Simmons, even the absolute worst team has only a 1 in 4 chance at Ben. I'd rather play the young guys more, and wouldn't mind a better chance at getting him, but if you are the owner you probably want your team to be as good as they can be so people will want to go watch them. I'm not saying that is the result, but that is his objective, and he also has left Hornacek as a lame duck basically saying "win to keep your job". If he would have picked up the last year option, Hornacek would likely play Booker more. The others are getting minutes and none of us know if Len became so good because he didn't play him too much too soon, and same with Warren and/or Booker. Many players' confidence gets blown from playing a ton early and being overmatched. I don't know if that would happen with Booker, but he has been schooled when playing against starters.

Second: McD is pretty stubborn. I wanted a trade to go down today too. It was interesting that Morris played tonight and played very well at times. He will hold out for something good. I wouldn't be shocked if he kept him. He is probably, when right in the head, better than most other players making what he makes outside of guys on rookie contracts who are studs.

[AtheJ415]

First: Sarver doesn't want to play our youth for ONE SEASON and try to get Simmons? I have no words right now if that is true
Second: Why the **** hasn't a trade happened? Honestly. How much more does the FO think they will get for Kieff?

First: Yes. Is Sarver right? No, I don't really like his mentality and have hated many of his decisions, but when it comes to Simmons, even the absolute worst team has only a 1 in 4 chance at Ben. I'd rather play the young guys more, and wouldn't mind a better chance at getting him, but if you are the owner you probably want your team to be as good as they can be so people will want to go watch them. I'm not saying that is the result, but that is his objective, and he also has left Hornacek as a lame duck basically saying "win to keep your job". If he would have picked up the last year option, Hornacek would likely play Booker more. The others are getting minutes and none of us know if Len became so good because he didn't play him too much too soon, and same with Warren and/or Booker. Many players' confidence gets blown from playing a ton early and being overmatched. I don't know if that would happen with Booker, but he has been schooled when playing against starters.

Second: McD is pretty stubborn. I wanted a trade to go down today too. It was interesting that Morris played tonight and played very well at times. He will hold out for something good. I wouldn't be shocked if he kept him. He is probably, when right in the head, better than most other players making what he makes outside of guys on rookie contracts who are studs.

I'll just add this to #1 though. With our players, to win now, you have to play the youngens. Our young guys are our best players. So for Hornacek to sit Booker for apparently no reason, play Tucker over Warren, Chandler over Len, or Price over anyone (like Booker, who could play the 2 while putting Knight back at the 1 in backup minutes), is him making a losing decision imo. Hornacek's rotations have not impressed me, and his inability to roll with the youth who have proven enough this year that they are our best chance of winning, isn't excused by Sarver's "win now" directive/mentality. It's easy to hate on Sarver for obvious reasons, but I don't think you can blame him for our failure to play the youth more often at this point. I'd argue that those fans of tanking should be wanting Price and Tucker to play more.

[letsgosuns]

I keep envisioning Bledsoe playing with a traditional shooting guard that knows his role, can make shots off screens consistently, and is not undersized. Then I come back to reality and remember that Knight is on this team. Then I also remember that the perfect guy the Suns need is already on the team and his name is Booker. Seriously a starting lineup of Bledsoe, Booker, Warren, Leuer, and Len sounds so much more exciting than the current starting lineup.

Booker's age does not matter. I would start him right now. I do not care how many mistakes he makes. The guy's shooting ability is above everyone else on the team. I already saw him make huge plays against the Bulls in Chicago so I believe he can do it immediately.

Making Knight, Markieff, and Tucker available in trades plus future picks should be good enough to net a really good power forward from a rebuilding team.

[bwgood77]

First: Sarver doesn't want to play our youth for ONE SEASON and try to get Simmons? I have no words right now if that is true
Second: Why the **** hasn't a trade happened? Honestly. How much more does the FO think they will get for Kieff?

First: Yes. Is Sarver right? No, I don't really like his mentality and have hated many of his decisions, but when it comes to Simmons, even the absolute worst team has only a 1 in 4 chance at Ben. I'd rather play the young guys more, and wouldn't mind a better chance at getting him, but if you are the owner you probably want your team to be as good as they can be so people will want to go watch them. I'm not saying that is the result, but that is his objective, and he also has left Hornacek as a lame duck basically saying "win to keep your job". If he would have picked up the last year option, Hornacek would likely play Booker more. The others are getting minutes and none of us know if Len became so good because he didn't play him too much too soon, and same with Warren and/or Booker. Many players' confidence gets blown from playing a ton early and being overmatched. I don't know if that would happen with Booker, but he has been schooled when playing against starters.

Second: McD is pretty stubborn. I wanted a trade to go down today too. It was interesting that Morris played tonight and played very well at times. He will hold out for something good. I wouldn't be shocked if he kept him. He is probably, when right in the head, better than most other players making what he makes outside of guys on rookie contracts who are studs.

I'll just add this to #1 though. With our players, to win now, you have to play the youngens. Our young guys are our best players. So for Hornacek to sit Booker for apparently no reason, play Tucker over Warren, Chandler over Len, or Price over anyone (like Booker, who could play the 2 while putting Knight back at the 1 in backup minutes), is him making a losing decision imo. Hornacek's rotations have not impressed me, and his inability to roll with the youth who have proven enough this year that they are our best chance of winning, isn't excused by Sarver's "win now" directive/mentality. It's easy to hate on Sarver for obvious reasons, but I don't think you can blame him for our failure to play the youth more often at this point. I'd argue that those fans of tanking should be wanting Price and Tucker to play more.

I agree, but it's tough for me to know how proper development happens. I was actually going to post this in the other thread you were posting in, but some clamored for Len to start over Plumlee early last season (I wanted to see it too), but Len didn't start for awhile, but when he finally DID start, he played pretty well. For those who had wanted him to start it was "See, I told you so! I've been saying this all along!" but who's to say that him not starting and playing less, didn't give him the drive to work on certain things in practice that actually made him a better starter once he DID start? And that if he had started sooner, he wouldn't have been ready and would have been dumbfounded and/or demoralized at times.

I think Warren has a pretty savvy bbiq, but I can understand demanding him work on things and dangling the starting job over his head. Your mention of "why don't they dangle a carrot over Tucker to play better offense" is a bit ridiculous, and while I see your point, he isn't in the development stage.

Booker is already playing far more than the other guys did in their rookie years. Tonight I can understand why he didn't play because they held the lead by a fair margin the whole game and you risk screwing something up if you mess with it.

I really think they are trying to get to a point where they can trade Kieff/Tucker and go with these guys anyway, but them sitting on the bench doesn't help. Markieff has proved he has value in the past. Tucker, while he hasn't played well, I could see them demanding him to go all out tonight and tell Bled to set him up for a corner 3 while they are on national tv. He did seem to go all out tonight.

[bwgood77]

I keep envisioning Bledsoe playing with a traditional shooting guard that knows his role, can make shots off screens consistently, and is not undersized. Then I come back to reality and remember that Knight is on this team. Then I also remember that the perfect guy the Suns need is already on the team and his name is Booker. Seriously a starting lineup of Bledsoe, Booker, Warren, Leuer, and Len sounds so much more exciting than the current starting lineup.

Booker's age does not matter. I would start him right now. I do not care how many mistakes he makes. The guy's shooting ability is above everyone else on the team. I already saw him make huge plays against the Bulls in Chicago so I believe he can do it immediately.

Making Knight, Markieff, and Tucker available in trades plus future picks should be good enough to net a really good power forward from a rebuilding team.

I like your proposed lineup and I think we will get there, with maybe a different forward, though I'd keep Leuer long term...love the guy. I don't think they would trade Knight and I don't think he has a ton of value at this point in time. I think he'd be a good sixth man, particularly if Warren and Booker are starting.

[8on]

interesting conversation to have. should we sit Bled and Knight at the end of games, with the hopes that a top tier draft pick could jettison us into the top tier? or, can they lead us to playoff success with the right players around them?

good example of "constant contention": Dallas/Miami. take your one star (Dirk/Wade), and surround him with the stars that become discontent with smaller markets or losing teams. raid the free agent menu every year, dip into the luxury tax without regret, build a reputation as a winner

bad example: the Knicks. Trot out Jamal Crawford, Zach Randolph and Eddy Curry, win no more than 45 games. Sign Amar'e Stoudemire, hold out hope that Denver might let go of Carmelo Anthony, but trade your entire bench to get him. Let him spend his entire prime on a team that won't contend. Flirt with Isiah Thomas for a decade, for no apparent on-court reason.

good rebuilding: Thunder in 2007.

bad/involuntary rebuilding: Sixers


Us: had an undervalued talent in Goran Dragic. Saw one in Eric Bledsoe. Acquired him. Knew we weren't good enough defensively, even as a 48 win team. Signed Isaiah Thomas as more firepower/insurance/not exactly sure why.

(Lately, my theory has been that last year was McD's laboratory year. See which guys work well with each other, dump the rest. Knowing that the Dragic/Bledsoe tandem wouldn't hold long term value, submitted to a "sacrifice bunt" year for cap flexibility, experimentation, and general restructuring/reorganizing.)

Let Channing Frye chase the tail end of his prime elsewhere. (Probably wouldn't have been to chase LMA if we had signed Frye.) Saw the potential of a 22 year old Brandon Knight, whose sometime sloppy decisions/overly methodical approach could be smoothed out, and took the opportunity.


Don't give up on a 23 year old. I'm 23. Do you think it would have been reasonable to give up on you at 23? You were barely starting to figure yourself out. Brandon's only human.

I'm excited about a young, athletic, dynamic backcourt duo. Our young guys might all start for us next year, although I bet Booker, TJ and Len could be full-time starters for us this year.

Don't worry so much. Remember Milwaukee? They were supposed to be Team Futuristic. Right now, they look like Team Chauvinistic for that strip club debacle. on the court, they can't seem to handle their business, either.p

My point is that in the grand scheme of things, we're not as far off as you think we are. New Orleans and Milwaukee were supposed to be playoff locks, and it was universally agreed they were both ahead of us. Now? few would say that. DON'T WORRY, BE HAPPY! is my point

(wow, was that longer than I expected it to be.)

[bwgood77]

My point is that in the grand scheme of things, we're not as far off as you think we are. New Orleans and Milwaukee were supposed to be playoff locks, and it was universally agreed they were both ahead of us. Now? few would say that. DON'T WORRY, BE HAPPY! is my point

(wow, was that longer than I expected it to be.)

Yeah, reading Pelton's chat today I thought of us from a couple years ago....

In hindsight, making the playoffs last season was the worst thing that happened for the Bucks because it accelerated their timetable ahead of what their young talent truly merited.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/52050/nba-insider-kevin-pelton

I think had we not been so good that first year with McD/Horny, people would be really excited. Unfortunately Hornacek led them to overachieve...unfortunately for him possibly with this team and the fans.

[8on]

I bet you other teams' fans don't discuss their last two years of moves 20% as much as we do. Like it or not, we have one hell of a thoughtful, strategic, and cunning FO. As long as we get to the destination, i don't mind the bumpy ride. We're not a boring (or drama-free team). There's always some sort of kicks to be had with this group.

[8on]

My point is that in the grand scheme of things, we're not as far off as you think we are. New Orleans and Milwaukee were supposed to be playoff locks, and it was universally agreed they were both ahead of us. Now? few would say that. DON'T WORRY, BE HAPPY! is my point

(wow, was that longer than I expected it to be.)

Yeah, reading Pelton's chat today I thought of us from a couple years ago....

In hindsight, making the playoffs last season was the worst thing that happened for the Bucks because it accelerated their timetable ahead of what their young talent truly merited.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/52050/nba-insider-kevin-pelton

I think had we not been so good that first year with McD/Horny, people would be really excited. Unfortunately Hornacek led them to overachieve...unfortunately for him possibly with this team and the fans.

Just wait. If LMA had us in his top 2, someone else will, too. We just have to wait. Certainly, Suns fans are good at that.

[asudevil]

I believe that their is that Suns/Rockets trade just trying to become something that doesnt have to wait until mid January to consummate. The Rockets have already said they are making Lawson available, so i think that he's part of any deal that comes into play. The suns really have 3 guys that just dont fit at the moment Morris/Tucker/Archie, so they are our pieces. Sooooo

Suns trade:
Markieff/Tucker/Goodwin
Suns get:
Jones/Ariza

Suns pretty much solidify their roster for the next few years. IF they believe that Jones can break out once coming here, he becomes that starting PF they need.

Len/Chandler
Jones/Tele/Leuer
Ariza/Warren
Bledsoe/Booker
Knight/Price

Knicks trade:
Afflalo/Calderon
Knicks get:
Lawson/Goodwin

Knicks clear a bunch of cap space to make a run at the 2016 market. They have Melo and Porgz and their next step is to add another big FA this offseason. Goodwin gets the chance to play and become the player we all thought he'd be as a sun.

Rockets trade:
Jones/Ariza/Lawson
Rockets get:
Markieff/Tucker/Afflalo/Calderon

a.) Lawson has one foot out the door already. b.) Rockets cant afford to resign Moni and Jones. c.) Afflalo gives them a spark off the bench at SG d.) Calderon solidifies their backup PG (a roll that Lawson didnt fill). This basically becomes contingent on Howard wanting to stay either by exercising his option or opting out to resign, as they add a bunch of money in Afflalo and Calderon for next season.

Howard/Capela
Markieff/Moni
Tucker/Brewer
Harden/Afflalo
Beverly/Calderon



***Calderon can also be sent to the suns as he fills a need for a backup PG. It really doesnt affect any other pieces being tossed around here.

[JS22]

I keep envisioning Bledsoe playing with a traditional shooting guard that knows his role, can make shots off screens consistently, and is not undersized. Then I come back to reality and remember that Knight is on this team. Then I also remember that the perfect guy the Suns need is already on the team and his name is Booker. Seriously a starting lineup of Bledsoe, Booker, Warren, Leuer, and Len sounds so much more exciting than the current starting lineup.

Booker's age does not matter. I would start him right now. I do not care how many mistakes he makes. The guy's shooting ability is above everyone else on the team. I already saw him make huge plays against the Bulls in Chicago so I believe he can do it immediately.

Making Knight, Markieff, and Tucker available in trades plus future picks should be good enough to net a really good power forward from a rebuilding team.

I like your proposed lineup and I think we will get there, with maybe a different forward, though I'd keep Leuer long term...love the guy. I don't think they would trade Knight and I don't think he has a ton of value at this point in time. I think he'd be a good sixth man, particularly if Warren and Booker are starting.

I think Knight has plenty of value. Decent contract, still pretty young, and having a semi-breakout (if occasionally inconsistent) year.

[Cutter]

Kieff trade could be on hold according to Kevin Pelton of ESPN.

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Countdown in Houston? Why a Markieff Morris trade might be on hold
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While the Phoenix Suns’ benching of Markieff Morris may or may not signal an intent to trade him, the thinking of a potential trade partner remains unclear.

The Houston Rockets have many more moving parts, which could delay a Phoenix trade even indirectly.

The Rockets have reported interest in acquiring Morris with an offer of swingman Corey Brewer and forward Terrence Jones going to the Suns, reports ESPN’s Marc Stein, but to trigger that deal, Houston must make sure any other trades on its end work in concert.

Other trades could include deals involving center Dwight Howard or point guard Ty Lawson, if we’re to listen to the rumors circling this week.

So the Suns remain in a holding pattern, and ESPN Insider Kevin Pelton doesn’t believe benching Morris in the meantime will alter his trade value.

“I don’t think the showcasing works when you’ve got a guy who’s an established starter like Markieff Morris. I don’t think his trade value would necessarily go down if you play him,” Pelton said Friday on Arizona Sports 98.7 FM’s Burns and Gambo show. “I think other teams recognize he’s unhappy in this situation, and that’s obviously affecting his performance — that’s why he’s getting traded in the first place. I think it’s really more of the case …. he’s not better right now than Mirza Teletovic and Jon Leuer, quite frankly.”

This leads us back to wondering if a deal is already in place to ship Morris out of Phoenix.

If the Rockets are involved, an obvious holdup is found in Brewer’s contract. His 2015-16 salary, $8.2 million, inked with the Rockets this offseason nearly doubled his prior earnings. That being at least 20 percent of a raise, and because the team has early-Bird rights on him, means Brewer cannot be traded until Jan. 15 due to salary cap rules.

So this could explain why Suns fans expecting a deal on Dec. 15 — when most other players on fresh contracts could be dealt — are still waiting.

The Rockets began the season as title contenders in the eyes of many, but the firing of head coach Kevin McHale appears to indicate general manager Daryl Morey is scrapping win-now mode. With that, Pelton suggests it wouldn’t be a bad idea for the Rockets to part with Howard, whose contract ends after this season.

Additionally, Yahoo! Sports’ Adrian Wojnarowski reports that Lawson, who hasn’t fit well alongside James Harden, could also be moved. Following reports indicate it’s more of Lawson’s side that is pushing for a deal.

In his dive into trade options pertaining to Howard, Pelton brought forth an interesting theoretical situation.

If the Rockets are focused on getting something in exchange for Howard fearing he would leave in free agency, the Suns have the pieces to get involved. Pelton listed the Suns as one of five trade partners for a Howard deal.

“I think they’re a longshot but it’s hard to kind of find a good destination,” Pelton said Friday on the Burns and Gambo show.

Phoenix could include center Tyson Chandler and Morris in a package for Howard, but there are a few reasons that would be a longshot.

While the Rockets would replace Howard with a credible defensive-minded center, it would seemingly be against Morey’s past history to take on a contract that goes through 2018-19, when Chandler would make $13.4 million as a 36-year-old. On the other side of things, the Suns would be looking at losing Howard after using him as a three-month rental. They would, however, be in a better financial situation if there is worry about Chandler’s health down the road.

Pelton believes Boston and Washington are better fits for a Howard deal.

Whatever the truth is regarding the Suns’ willingness to deal Morris, the most active teams in the trade market and those with the highest-paid players usually set the charge for a series of moves league-wide.

That Phoenix could be dealing directly with such a team means general manager Ryan McDonough and Co. may be on hold, listening to elevator music coming from Morey’s phone line.

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[Cutter]

At least one poster over at Clutchfans thinks Terrence Jones is one of the worst 3 players on the team and needs to be traded.

The easiest way to salvage this season is do Lawson for Jack + Bogdanovic and Jones + Brewer for Kieff.

You purge yourself of the three worst players on the team and get back contributors.

Bev/Jack
Harden/Bogdanovic
Ariza/Kieff
D-Mo/Kieff
Dwight/Capela

Rockets still won't be contenders but they will make the Playoffs for sure.

[rsavaj]

I wonder how desperate Houston is to get rid of Lawson. They don't need to worry about his contract since he waived next year's option, so I assume they actually want to move him for value, but his value is complete crap right now, so we might maybe have a shot at having him be the salary filler instead of Brewer.

Lawson/Jones for Weems/Kieff

You can't trade Lawson at the deadline, and I don't want him around the lockerroom. Heck, he's not even playing well, so there's no basketball value there either. I would honestly just cut him after the trade is done, essentially making it a net Kieff/Weems for Jones deal. I think that's not a bad outcome.

[Djedefre]

Why, on earth, do we need Jones? If the idea is to just get rid of Kieff, it's dull.

[jcsunsfan]

I wonder how desperate Houston is to get rid of Lawson. They don't need to worry about his contract since he waived next year's option, so I assume they actually want to move him for value, but his value is complete crap right now, so we might maybe have a shot at having him be the salary filler instead of Brewer.

Lawson/Jones for Weems/Kieff

You can't trade Lawson at the deadline, and I don't want him around the lockerroom. Heck, he's not even playing well, so there's no basketball value there either. I would honestly just cut him after the trade is done, essentially making it a net Kieff/Weems for Jones deal. I think that's not a bad outcome.

Kieff, PJ, Price for Jones and Lawson.

For Houston, Price is a backup pg that can fill Lawsons role cheaply. Kieff is an affordable quality bench big on a long term deal.

For the Suns, they have Jones under control. They can give him a good run and if he is a long term pf in the Suns plans, they sign him this summer. If not, they can let him walk. TJ moves to the starting sf role. Lawson can be the backup pg that Price has been. If he improves, he has value. If not, there is a team option on his deal this summer. Maybe they even swing him to the Knicks or something for a pick.

I don't mind keeping Kieff though, if the time sitting on the bench has helped him gain some perspective and he WANTS to be here.

[Revived]

If we're making a trade with Houston, I want it to be for Motiejunas, not Jones.