2016 Draft Thread Part 3 - Poll Update

[JMac1]

What if we draft Buddy? That team could push for the playoffs if healthy all season and Booker was capable of playing the SF.

Bledsoe/Knight
Buddy/Booker
Booker/TJ
PJ/Telly/#13
Chandler/Len

Sarver might like that.

Nah man we really need a PF. If we took him we'd have to trade Knight and maybe TJ just so everyone gets the minutes they want.

Can't have tunnel vision. That's what the number #13 pick is for. You have to be open to anything, it could happen. Gambo has been planting a seed.....Why is he talking about Murray and Hield, for the heck of it?

[NavLDO]

Chriss probably wouldn't even garner lotto consideration in any other draft. I feel like most f mocks are trying to compensate for not having listed he was compeltetely under the radar and is now skyrocketing

I tend to agree, but then again, I feel a lot of 'lotto picks' this year wouldn't garner lotto consideration in other drafts.

I'd rather McD take a shot on Chriss than take another Guard, but that doesn't mean I don't think it wouldn't be quite a reach to take him 4th overall. He's extremely raw, and you are correct in that is DReb is atrocious; that alone puts him, at best, as a late lotto-type.

It's just that this draft class is sorely lacking 'transformational' talent; but it is deep, I believe, but I feel like this draft class has 2-3 'star potential' types, and about 10-12 who will likely amount to not much more than 'average starter level'-types (Dunn, Hield, Poeltl, Ellenson, Sabonis, etc.), and about 10-12 who could go either way, depending on their development (Chriss, Murray, Brown, Skal, Diallo, etc.).

[NavLDO]

No way we take Dunn. Not even a chance.

My sauces tell me Boston will pick Dunn for the Sixers. Suns will keep the pick.

Well, my "A-1" says differently, but my "Heinz 57" tends to agree with your 'sauces'.

I'm sorry man, I just couldn't help it...or were you typing in 'Boston-speak-accent'

EDIT: Sorry...didn't see your post a few posts down before I responded with above...still, too funny...liked yours better though...

[NavLDO]

What if we draft Buddy? That team could push for the playoffs if healthy all season and Booker was capable of playing the SF.

Bledsoe/Knight
Buddy/Booker
Booker/TJ
PJ/Telly/#13
Chandler/Len

Sarver might like that.

Honestly, if we draft Hield, I'd rather not 'screw' with Booker's development, and allow Hield to guard the opposing 3s. He's got a longer Wingspan, though about an inch shorter, I suppose, but it's not like Booker is some elite defender. But in today's game, there's not a lot of pure position play between the wings, I guess.

Also, I know PJ has been more successful defending 4s, but it's entirely possible that if Warren did pack on 10-15 lbs more muscle, he might be able hold his own against opposing 4s.

One thing for sure, however, is I hope they lock up Leuer or Telly ASAP; we need at least one of them next season regarless of who we draft.

[Frank Lee]

I'd like to see Dunn here if we can make room for him. Bled or Knight can go. If Dunn turns out to be the player projected, he and Book make a solid backcourt for the next 5 yrs.

Would love to see McMully work a deal for knight and pick Dunn.... who wouldn't ?

At #13 I hope we select one of Skal or Diallo. My sleeper is Brice Johnson. Perhaps we deal 28 and 34 to move into the teens to get him. Is he the Matrix Reloaded ?

I think we should focus on players with speed, length and athleticism. Thats is basis for a good defense to counter this love affair with small chuck ball.

[bwgood77]

What if we draft Buddy? That team could push for the playoffs if healthy all season and Booker was capable of playing the SF.

Bledsoe/Knight
Buddy/Booker
Booker/TJ
PJ/Telly/#13
Chandler/Len

Sarver might like that.

Nah man we really need a PF. If we took him we'd have to trade Knight and maybe TJ just so everyone gets the minutes they want.

Can't have tunnel vision. That's what the number #13 pick is for. You have to be open to anything, it could happen. Gambo has been planting a seed.....Why is he talking about Murray and Hield, for the heck of it?

Well how fast do you think Buddy will be able to compete at the NBA at a high level, if he ever is able to do that? Even as good as Booker was, he still was far below an average nba player (though still among the best rookies) from an advanced statistical view, and only shot 34% from 3, which is his specialty. The point is, even the BEST rookies don't make team's sudden playoff teams. Towns had one of the best rookie seasons ever, and LaVine really came along as did Wiggins, the most highly touted prospect in a while. The truth is, only one player on our team graded out as substantially above average last year, and that was Bledsoe. The others that ratings put slightly above average (though still right around average) were Warren, Telly and Leuer.

http://www.82games.com/1516/ROLRTG8.HTM

[bwgood77]

I'd like to see Dunn here if we can make room for him. Bled or Knight can go. If Dunn turns out to be the player projected, he and Book make a solid backcourt for the next 5 yrs.

Would love to see McMully work a deal for knight and pick Dunn.... who wouldn't ?

At #13 I hope we select one of Skal or Diallo. My sleeper is Brice Johnson. Perhaps we deal 28 and 34 to move into the teens to get him. Is he the Matrix Reloaded ?

I think we should focus on players with speed, length and athleticism. Thats is basis for a good defense to counter this love affair with small chuck ball.

I think about the best case scenario is that Dunn in a few years becomes as good as Bledsoe. That is likely best case. He could end up being better, but he is a turnover machine who isn't a good shooter. And of course he could be a lot worse. Bledsoe ranked in about the top 25 players in the league overall. It's tough to get that good.

This is called the simple rating, but it's pretty all encompassing, and if you look at all the players on it, it looks pretty close to reality.

http://www.82games.com/1516/ROLRTG8.HTM

You can also see the Suns also only had three other players who came out as positive impact, but those three were barely above 0.

[JMac1]

Kris Dunn is now on His and Hers on ESPN. I am watching it now.

[JMac1]

Dunn appears to have that "it" factor. making commercials with Ingram, documentary shorts,. He says his greatest strength is defense, that's why he doesn't want to do a one on none workout, you can't see his strength.

He feels that his mentality is different than most. He keeps promoting his defense. He is saying he can post up, reb, and distribute.

That's it. I am assuming it was similar to First Take; still upset I missed it.

[JMac1]

Nah man we really need a PF. If we took him we'd have to trade Knight and maybe TJ just so everyone gets the minutes they want.

Can't have tunnel vision. That's what the number #13 pick is for. You have to be open to anything, it could happen. Gambo has been planting a seed.....Why is he talking about Murray and Hield, for the heck of it?

Well how fast do you think Buddy will be able to compete at the NBA at a high level, if he ever is able to do that? Even as good as Booker was, he still was far below an average nba player (though still among the best rookies) from an advanced statistical view, and only shot 34% from 3, which is his specialty. The point is, even the BEST rookies don't make team's sudden playoff teams. Towns had one of the best rookie seasons ever, and LaVine really came along as did Wiggins, the most highly touted prospect in a while. The truth is, only one player on our team graded out as substantially above average last year, and that was Bledsoe. The others that ratings put slightly above average (though still right around average) were Warren, Telly and Leuer.

http://www.82games.com/1516/ROLRTG8.HTM

I think Buddy with Bledsoe and Booker would get a TON of open looks and knock them down. I expect Buddy to be a better JJ Reddick but less than Klay overall but just as good as an open shooter.

Courtney Lee was a rookie with Orlando. Rookies can make a significant impact if they are not the central focus of the team.

Booker and Buddy on the wings shooting open threes would have teams scrambling........from game one.


I like Dunn as do Frank, but shooting is more explosive than driving and posting-up in today's game. Again, that's why I prefer Bender to Chriss as well.

[JMac1]

I'd like to see Dunn here if we can make room for him. Bled or Knight can go. If Dunn turns out to be the player projected, he and Book make a solid backcourt for the next 5 yrs.

Would love to see McMully work a deal for knight and pick Dunn.... who wouldn't ?

At #13 I hope we select one of Skal or Diallo. My sleeper is Brice Johnson. Perhaps we deal 28 and 34 to move into the teens to get him. Is he the Matrix Reloaded ?

I think we should focus on players with speed, length and athleticism. Thats is basis for a good defense to counter this love affair with small chuck ball.

I think about the best case scenario is that Dunn in a few years becomes as good as Bledsoe. That is likely best case. He could end up being better, but he is a turnover machine who isn't a good shooter. And of course he could be a lot worse. Bledsoe ranked in about the top 25 players in the league overall. It's tough to get that good.

This is called the simple rating, but it's pretty all encompassing, and if you look at all the players on it, it looks pretty close to reality.

http://www.82games.com/1516/ROLRTG8.HTM

You can also see the Suns also only had three other players who came out as positive impact, but those three were barely above 0.

Dunn is a taller Bledsoe and Knight hybrid. He has Knight handles and Bledsoe athleticism and length and both streaky shooting, although both Bled and Knight are 80% plus Free Throw shooters.

[JJ13]

Legit question...could booker start at PG? I really liked what he did with the ball in his hands this past season, much more so than Knight. Decent handle, decent D, good speed, good passer, aggressive to the hoop, creates own shot. Book ended up bringing the ball up the court a good amount.

I also like Hield if Bender isn't there and would be curious what a Booker-Hield combo could do at PG-SG vs SG-SF, especially if we flip Bledsoe in a trade (e.g. straight up to Cavs for Love).

Probably going to get sh*t for the idea, but I'd still like to see what it looks like.

[JMac1]

Kobe would get crucified with that simple logic on this board

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhhrslaSsZ8[/youtube]

[carey]

Legit question...could booker start at PG?

He can definitely play PG at times. One of the reasons why I like the Bledsoe-Booker backcourt is that in crunch time you can run the pick and roll through Booker and allow Bledsoe to focus on defense and penetration/kick outs.

I'm not really on board with starting him at PG full time, but certainly he can play there for stretches.

[sunsbum]

Coro knows more than gambo and says if bender is there he thinks we take him.

[JJ13]

Legit question...could booker start at PG?

He can definitely play PG at times. One of the reasons why I like the Bledsoe-Booker backcourt is that in crunch time you can run the pick and roll through Booker and allow Bledsoe to focus on defense and penetration/kick outs.

I'm not really on board with starting him at PG full time, but certainly he can play there for stretches.

Kind of agree, also trying to figure out what the line-up looks like if we do pick Hield and he shines early. Does Book move to SF or could he go PG. Hield is 6'3" so he's staying put at SG, Book has to go on either side. Does the fact that he can play PG give the Suns confidence to trade Bled AND Knight if the right deals are on the table.

[dremill24]

Legit question...could booker start at PG? I really liked what he did with the ball in his hands this past season, much more so than Knight. Decent handle, decent D, good speed, good passer, aggressive to the hoop, creates own shot. Book ended up bringing the ball up the court a good amount.

I also like Hield if Bender isn't there and would be curious what a Booker-Hield combo could do at PG-SG vs SG-SF, especially if we flip Bledsoe in a trade (e.g. straight up to Cavs for Love).

Probably going to get sh*t for the idea, but I'd still like to see what it looks like.

He did ok as a primary ball handler, and i like that he doesnt generally force the issue, but he can struggle to turn the corner against a set defense/around a PnR. I think ideally, Bledsoe with his explosiveness can initiate the offense and get the defense moving, which allows the ball to be swung around and then Booker can make a play against a rotating defense, which allows the offense much more of an advantage.

[gaspar]

Ford's Tiers:

#1
Ben Simmons, F, LSU

#2
Brandon Ingram, F, Duke

#3
Dragan Bender, PF, Croatia
Jaylen Brown, F, Cal
Marquese Chriss, PF, Washington
Kris Dunn, PG, Providence
Jamal Murray, G, Kentucky

#4
Henry Ellenson, F/C, Marquette
Buddy Hield, SG, Oklahoma
Furkan Korkmaz, SG, Turkey
Skal Labissiere, F/C, Kentucky
Dejounte Murray, PG, Washington
Jakob Poeltl, C, Utah
Domantas Sabonis, PF, Gonzaga

#5
Wade Baldwin IV, G, Vanderbilt
Malik Beasley, SG, Florida State
DeAndre Bembry, G/F, St. Joseph's
Ben Bentil, F, Providence
Malcolm Brogdon, G/F, Virginia
Deyonta Davis, PF, Michigan State
Cheick Diallo, PF, Kansas
Juan Hernangomez, PF, Spain
Demetrius Jackson, PG, Notre Dame
Brice Johnson, PF, North Carolina
Damian Jones, C, Vanderbilt
Timothe Luwawu, G/F, France
Thon Maker, F, Australia
Patrick McCaw, G/F, UNLV
Taurean Prince, F, Baylor
Malachi Richardson, SG, Syracuse
Diamond Stone, C, Maryland
Tyler Ulis, PG, Kentucky
Denzel Valentine, G/F, Michigan State
Ante Zizic, C, Croatia
Ivica Zubac, C, Bosnia

#6
Isaiah Cousins, G, Oklahoma
Caris LeVert, G/F, Michigan
Chinanu Onuaku, C, Louisville
Gary Payton II, PG, Oregon State
Zhou Qi, C, China
Jarrod Uthoff, F, Iowa
Guerschon Yabusele, PF, France
Stephen Zimmerman, C, UNLV

[Cactus Jack]

What if we draft Buddy? That team could push for the playoffs if healthy all season and Booker was capable of playing the SF.

Bledsoe/Knight
Buddy/Booker
Booker/TJ
PJ/Telly/#13
Chandler/Len

Sarver might like that.

Hmm...I like your way of thinking.

[darealjuice]

If we draft Buddy and start him over Booker next year I don't think I'll be able to contain how pissed I'd be