Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion

[Saberestar]

Anyone else feel like the Spurs gave Pau way too much money and too many years? Is he really still that good?

The last year is not fully guaranteed, just $6.7M.

I think that his contract is OK, he knows how to play the game...he is not another Asik or Miles Plumlee out there even at his age.

[Sreister]

Considering McD's past off seasons... he has been quite restrained. He was shuffling 5-6 new players in each year it seemed. Perhaps he realizes making just a few adjustments is far less riskier, and that some continuity may pay off. This could be the season where his best move, is the one he didn't make.

Coming from the lead "we need to make moves and not wait, the time is now" guy? Why the change of heart? Not being rude, but generally curious. You were all for going to make a big splash and go all in now, now you think we need to do the opposite?

[Gorilla Warfare]

How many Suns fans would trade Booker for Irving? Or Jackson?

I wouldn't trade Booker for anyone but LeBron, Curry, Westbrook, or Durant.

Those guys are too old!

Don't want for the tail-end of their career. I want to have our own Curry or Durant or Lebron at 22. Not 30. I'm tired of that Shaq ****.

As much as I love Booker. I don't see him having a better career than any of those players. Those are arguably the top 4 players in the NBA right now and still have plenty in the tank. If we could seal any of those players up for 4+ years I would do that in a heartbeat.

It's never going to happen though, so let's just move on from this.

[JMac1]

I wouldn't trade Booker for anyone but LeBron, Curry, Westbrook, or Durant.

Those guys are too old!

Don't want for the tail-end of their career. I want to have our own Curry or Durant or Lebron at 22. Not 30. I'm tired of that Shaq ****.

As much as I love Booker. I don't see him having a better career than any of those players. Those are arguably the top 4 players in the NBA right now and still have plenty in the tank. If we could seal any of those players up for 4+ years I would do that in a heartbeat.

It's never going to happen though, so let's just move on from this.

I'm
Just saying why trade for a guy at the back end of his career....too little to late. Has nothing to do with trading for those guys. Just a statement in general. I wouldn't want to be in this position 10 years from now and talking about trading for AD.

[King4Day]

I realize we're still a year out, but I don't think the 76ers will immediately offer Embiid a full max deal barring a full healthy season (maybe only missing 10-12 games).
That said, I can't imagine a team out there won't try to outbid Philly and at the very least, force their hand to give him a max deal.
If he plays maybe 60+ games, would you take a chance on him at full max or near max deal?

[GeraldsGreenery]

Cavs are losing leverage by the hour.

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[TeamTragic]

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This just keeps getting better

[gaspar]

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[Kjdills13]

If the suns get kyrie they will be one star away from a title. Pretty exciting!!

Bledsoe, Warren, something else

Kyrie - all star
Booker- will be all star
Jackson- ?
Chriss ?
Bender ?

We would have 2 all stars 25 and younger, which would mean we would need 1/3 of the other guys to be an all star or top player.

Then sign one big time free agent.

So really if we get kyrie we are 1 all star FA away from being a title contender

[Gorilla Warfare]

If the suns get kyrie they will be one star away from a title. Pretty exciting!!

Bledsoe, Warren, something else

Kyrie - all star
Booker- will be all star
Jackson- ?
Chriss ?
Bender ?

We would have 2 all stars 25 and younger, which would mean we would need 1/3 of the other guys to be an all star or top player.

Then sign one big time free agent.

So really if we get kyrie we are 1 all star FA away from being a title contender

[matt131]

Lol I am getting impatient. I just want something to happen even if it doesn't involve the Suns haha

[AtheJ415]

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I mean you're right, they don't. I guess I'm just speaking in the context of the Suns (or any team, I'm really speaking on principles here) wanting to make a deal for Kyrie (or established star player X). Point being, unless you have extreme, PG-like circumstances, you have to make an offer that will actually entice the other team, hence the term 'trade.'

I also think people are overstating the Cavs' NEED to move Kyrie. He's under contract for 2 more years. They've made 3 straight Finals with one title even with a Kyrie who apparently isn't crazy about playing with LeBron. I think a lot of us are being quite homer-ish in stating how Cleveland has no leverage and have to make a deal with whatever team makes the best offer. We'd like it to be that way, but unless the situation takes a completely drastic and toxic turn, I don't see him getting dealt at all unless it's for an offer that they truly like.

And to be clear, I personally have not offered an opinion on including Chriss in a deal, I was simply commenting on referring to him as a throw in. I don't think anyone who includes him in a proposal thinks of him that way, they're just trying to come up with a piece that can be added that Cleveland might value enough to get them to bite, while still being a piece that SOME feel would be expendable from our end.

The offer simply needs to beat all other offers. Hence, it only has to be more enticing than the other offers, and not necessarily enticing to the trading team at all. Once a team commits to having to trade a guy, the option of keeping him becomes incredibly undesireable. CLE is at that place/in that spot. And I would argue that the proposal you put is more than Chicago got for Butler, NO for Cousins, or Indy for PG, and those guys didn't openly ask for a trade (George simply said he was not going to re-sign, so the team chose to trade him).

What proposal? I've offered nothing.

And again, you're making the assumption that Cleveland has no option other than to trade him for the best offer, no matter how bad it is.

As a side note, practically speaking, George forced the Pacers hand, and basically demanded a trade, at least functionally. That situation is as close to NEEDING to trade a player as it gets. I feel like people (those that want the Cavs to trade Kyrie to their team anyway) are acting like the Kyrie situation is the same as the George one, and it's not.

If the asking price is too high, then you decline and move on. But I think we need to stop acting like he MUST be dealt at a major discount.

You suggested offering Chriss. That proposal.

The bold is true. They will have to trade him. He wants out, they told him he will get out, and he has publicly berated their actual star, who is the entire team and runs their management, while expressing a strong desire to never play with the dude again.

They are not us with Knight. They are trying to win today and are know Lebron can walk next year.

They won't take a trade that hurts them, but given it is entirely obvious that Phoenix would include Bledsoe and something else, and given Bledsoe is not much worse than Kyrie, I think it's reasonable to say Cleveland would move him if it came down to it.

You don't overpay in this scenario. You simply beat out the other offers and wait until the other team pulls the trigger. That's literally what just happened with Paul George. OKC told Boston to make their final offer because they were tired of dragging this out. Boston chose not to even make an offer, so Indy took the best one of those on the table.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

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The offer simply needs to beat all other offers. Hence, it only has to be more enticing than the other offers, and not necessarily enticing to the trading team at all. Once a team commits to having to trade a guy, the option of keeping him becomes incredibly undesireable. CLE is at that place/in that spot. And I would argue that the proposal you put is more than Chicago got for Butler, NO for Cousins, or Indy for PG, and those guys didn't openly ask for a trade (George simply said he was not going to re-sign, so the team chose to trade him).

What proposal? I've offered nothing.

And again, you're making the assumption that Cleveland has no option other than to trade him for the best offer, no matter how bad it is.

As a side note, practically speaking, George forced the Pacers hand, and basically demanded a trade, at least functionally. That situation is as close to NEEDING to trade a player as it gets. I feel like people (those that want the Cavs to trade Kyrie to their team anyway) are acting like the Kyrie situation is the same as the George one, and it's not.

If the asking price is too high, then you decline and move on. But I think we need to stop acting like he MUST be dealt at a major discount.

You suggested offering Chriss. That proposal.

The bold is true. They will have to trade him. He wants out, they told him he will get out, and he has publicly berated their actual star, who is the entire team and runs their management, while expressing a strong desire to never play with the dude again.

They are not us with Knight. They are trying to win today and are know Lebron can walk next year.

They won't take a trade that hurts them, but given it is entirely obvious that Phoenix would include Bledsoe and something else, and given Bledsoe is not much worse than Kyrie, I think it's reasonable to say Cleveland would move him if it came down to it.

You don't overpay in this scenario. You simply beat out the other offers and wait until the other team pulls the trigger. That's literally what just happened with Paul George. OKC told Boston to make their final offer because they were tired of dragging this out. Boston chose not to even make an offer, so Indy took the best one of those on the table.

I don't think we should offer much more than Bled. Even a player like Chriss - he wouldn't really be very useful to the Cavs. So does he even make sense as a trade piece? I would try to stick with Bledsoe and their choice of our vets (Dudley, Chandler), up to three second round picks or just protected picks, us taking back bad salary and giving them flexibility, and I would also be willing to trade DJJ if they so requested. And if that's not enough for Kyrie, get a third team to add value, and we'll take something less than Kyrie to facilitate a deal. But I wouldn't even go so far as to trade TJ at this point. I'm not even sure I'd be willing to add the MIA '18.

[JJ13]

I wouldn't be surprised if Suns and Cavs are going back and forth on which salary Suns are willing to take on. Between Shump, Frye & Smith, who would the Cavs be most interested in off-loading, if any? Smith's 3yr deal seems the worst to me.

[JJ13]

Also, saw Kyrie and Chandler are buddies - maybe PHX prefers to keep Chandler with hope of extending Kyrie. Cavs could use Chandler though.

[nymets1]

seems like the Suns are the favorites right now to land Kyrie. Eric Bledsoe is apparently in Las Vegas working out with Lebron and D Rose. Lebron, DRose and Bledsoe might be feeling the trade coming? Kyrie is doing the right thing by being unreachable, not answering the phone by the Cavs. Everyone knows Lebron is leaving next year and Kyrie does not want to be stuck in Cleveland when Lebron leaves. Keep the relationship bad by not responding or answering the phone from the Cavs. If it gets to training camp and Kyrie is still on the Cavs than don't report to training camp.

[King4Day]

As much as I hate Windhorst, he commented that he still thinks the Suns will end up trading Jackson and Bledsoe for him.
That teams say they won't trade players all the time.

I'm growing more and more concerned that we will start the season with Irving on our team. Which is fine...as long as Jackson is still a Sun.
With Bledsoe working out with LeBron and Booker adding Irving on Instagram....I realize those are minor things, but they are things that suddenly happened when the rumors began.

Josh Jackson can be dealt 8/5. The longer nothing happend the more concerned I'm going to get.

[GeraldsGreenery]

As much as I hate Windhorst, he commented that he still thinks the Suns will end up trading Jackson and Bledsoe for him.
That teams say they won't trade players all the time.

I'm growing more and more concerned that we will start the season with Irving on our team. Which is fine...as long as Jackson is still a Sun.
With Bledsoe working out with LeBron and Booker adding Irving on Instagram....I realize those are minor things, but they are things that suddenly happened when the rumors began.

Josh Jackson can be dealt 8/5. The longer nothing happend the more concerned I'm going to get.

Great, 2 years of Kyrie for Josh Jackson. What a stupid move if it happens.

[matt131]

As much as I hate Windhorst, he commented that he still thinks the Suns will end up trading Jackson and Bledsoe for him.
That teams say they won't trade players all the time.

I'm growing more and more concerned that we will start the season with Irving on our team. Which is fine...as long as Jackson is still a Sun.
With Bledsoe working out with LeBron and Booker adding Irving on Instagram....I realize those are minor things, but they are things that suddenly happened when the rumors began.

Josh Jackson can be dealt 8/5. The longer nothing happend the more concerned I'm going to get.

I really hope not. I see your concern though. I would hope, since the Suns have reportedly told Jackson he won't be traded, that they respect that and do not trade him. How bad would it look to tell a rookie straight up that we won't deal him and then two weeks later we trad him?