Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2

[matt131]

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The pistons have been playing really well, so this confuses me. If only they wanted to trade us Bradley and if only Bradley wasn't a FA after the year was up

[BobbieL]

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before they buy him out - send the Suns pick and the Memphis or Toronto pick

do it - guy is still young. see what he has for this team

come on Ryan - get Okafor;

move Bledsoem Chandler and Daniels to Milwaukee

[STEV13]

Reggie Jackson is at 16M now, and is locked for 3 years. Damn. And think about all that cap space tied to B.Knight...

RJax + Knightmare = ???

H O W A B O U T N O

[Wilber85]

Agreed. It is even a further stretch given how we have treated Bled. Not a good look.

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How have we treated him? Dude said he didn't want to be here. Be a little pansy and stay home! That is the right thing to do.

He is collecting his $177k a game, and he will also be traded. He is an average player acting like a superstar!

No offense, Wilber but your perception of the situation is not the same as NBA players. This situation should have been handled in the off season.

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Bledsoe trying to act like a superstar when he is an average player. If I owned the team I would trade him ASAP, and hold the door for him.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Yeah I really don't have any interest in Reggie Jackson being on this team. I would prefer just trading Bledsoe for an expiring and mid 1st.

[Saberestar]

I am not sure about Reggie Jackson...he is a scorer and looks for his points a lot so I prefer an elite role player who defends hard and shares the ball (like Brogdon or Beverley).

What I want is Booker and TJ as a scorers...not our PG.

[BobbieL]

Yeah I really don't have any interest in Reggie Jackson being on this team. I would prefer just trading Bledsoe for an expiring and mid 1st.

My moves would be Okafor for the Suns second and if the Sixers want another second, they can have a future Suns or the current Toronto or Memphis

Bledsoe for an expiring type deal plus pick: Cavs (Shumpert and Frye), Milwaukee ( Teletovic) or Denver (Faried or Arthur) - can do all those deals with contracts that expire in 2019. If the Bucks want to add Monroe for Chandler - call it good.

[jcsunsfan]

Agreed. It is even a further stretch given how we have treated Bled. Not a good look.

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How have we treated him? Dude said he didn't want to be here. Be a little pansy and stay home! That is the right thing to do.

He is collecting his $177k a game, and he will also be traded. He is an average player acting like a superstar!

No offense, Wilber but your perception of the situation is not the same as NBA players. This situation should have been handled in the off season.

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Baloney! You know how the NBA players I care most about are handling it?

"Thank God! Mike, pass me the ball!"

NBA players do not look kindly on another player that dogs on his team just because he wants a new deal. His poor play reflects on them. You heard some Suns player say nice things about Watson after he left. But what about Bledsoe?

Crickets chirping.

That is telling. Not one "We sure would love to get Bled back" or "We really miss him, but its a business". Not one. The only reason we think its a problem with other players is because two knuckleheads with an agenda are tweeting (Morrii).

And this situation could not have been handled in the off-season because the Suns had Eric in their long term plans. If your intent is status quo, you do not need to initiate talks. If you want to extend a player, you talk to him. If he wants an extension, he talks to you. You don't call up his agent and say,

"Hey, I know Eric is up for an extension, but we don't plan on doing it because we think he is injury prone and we want to get a solid season of good health before we commit any longer."

Eric did not ask for the extension until October. But it is perfectly reasonable for management to refuse an extension and still expect the player to play. It happens ALL THE TIME in this league. Rich Paul did not demand a trade until October.

So cut the freaking hindsight. This should not have happened at all. The only way McD should have predicted this is if he assumed that Rich Paul was a butt hole and Eric was a cry baby.

[JMac1]

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We have nothing to lose......

[JMac1]

If we got Brog and Okafor...it would be pretty happy. Len is looking like a monster now. TJ is looking like the ACC player of the year. Booker is efficient as hell. JJ is everything I thought he'd be.....that's a lot of young talent.

Btw....I love JJ, Len, and Booker's attitudes....love em.

[matt131]

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[Kerrsed]

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before they buy him out - send the Suns pick and the Memphis or Toronto pick

do it - guy is still young. see what he has for this team

come on Ryan - get Okafor;

move Bledsoem Chandler and Daniels to Milwaukee

Did you guys even read the article?

The 2nd round picks they are talking about would be FROM Philly, not going to Philly. The talk is using a few 2nd round picks so a team will take him off their hands and them not having to foot his bill this season.

[gaspar]

My moves would be Okafor for the Suns second and if the Sixers want another second, they can have a future Suns or the current Toronto or Memphis

Even that's an overpay. Okafor doesn't really belong in today's NBA and he will be waived in a couple weeks, if we want him.

[BobbieL]

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good

First , good that the Suns wouldn't want Jackson. Make it a three team - Suns probably need to move like bodies because of the James contract thing.

Second, when Woj is talking, that could mean there is action taking place. Him and Charnia are the guys now with the real information. Stein is good too. Doesn't mean anything is imminent - not saying that. But just saying, when Woj reports stuff - it has a lot more credence than other guys ( cough, Schultz, cough)

[BobbieL]

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before they buy him out - send the Suns pick and the Memphis or Toronto pick

do it - guy is still young. see what he has for this team

come on Ryan - get Okafor;

move Bledsoem Chandler and Daniels to Milwaukee

Did you guys even read the article?

The 2nd round picks they are talking about would be FROM Philly, not going to Philly. The talk is using a few 2nd round picks so a team will take him off their hands and them not having to foot his bill this season.

I did misread it than as I read the article. I was serious about giving a second round pick though. Suns have the cap space. Right now they have three seconds - not sure they need another second actually.

[jredsaz]

How have we treated him? Dude said he didn't want to be here. Be a little pansy and stay home! That is the right thing to do.

He is collecting his $177k a game, and he will also be traded. He is an average player acting like a superstar!

No offense, Wilber but your perception of the situation is not the same as NBA players. This situation should have been handled in the off season.

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Baloney! You know how the NBA players I care most about are handling it?

"Thank God! Mike, pass me the ball!"

NBA players do not look kindly on another player that dogs on his team just because he wants a new deal. His poor play reflects on them. You heard some Suns player say nice things about Watson after he left. But what about Bledsoe?

Crickets chirping.

That is telling. Not one "We sure would love to get Bled back" or "We really miss him, but its a business". Not one. The only reason we think its a problem with other players is because two knuckleheads with and agenda are tweeting (Morrii).

And this situation could not have been handled in the off-season because the Suns had Eric in their long term plans. If your intent is status quo, you do not need to initiate talks. If you want to extend a player, you talk to him. If he wants and extension, he talks to you. You don't call up his agent and say, "Hey, I know Eric is up for an extension, but we don't plan on doing it because we think he is injury prone and we want to get a solid season of good health before we commit any longer." Eric did not ask for the extension until October. But it is perfectly reasonable for management to refuse and extension and still expect the player to play. It happens ALL THE TIME in this league. Rich Paul did not demand a trade until October.

So cut the freaking hindsight. This should not have happened at all. The only way McD should have predicted this is if he assumed that Rich Paul was a butt hole and Eric was a cry baby.

That's all great stuff but 1) NBA players will not look kindly on benching a healthy Bledsoe in his prime, two seasons in a row for whatever reason and 2) a functioning organization makes the decision to trade Bledsoe in the off season because they have a better understanding of their players.

Suns have butchered relationships in the past in this same way. Knowing what a player wants, how they are feeling towards the organization, etc are fundamental management practices. He was shopped. The a healthy scratch. And then shopped openly again in the Kyrie talks. He has an extention opportunity and one of the most difficult agents in the business repping him. A better organization identifies these issues and makes a move.

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[jcsunsfan]

No offense, Wilber but your perception of the situation is not the same as NBA players. This situation should have been handled in the off season.

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Baloney! You know how the NBA players I care most about are handling it?

"Thank God! Mike, pass me the ball!"

NBA players do not look kindly on another player that dogs on his team just because he wants a new deal. His poor play reflects on them. You heard some Suns player say nice things about Watson after he left. But what about Bledsoe?

Crickets chirping.

That is telling. Not one "We sure would love to get Bled back" or "We really miss him, but its a business". Not one. The only reason we think its a problem with other players is because two knuckleheads with and agenda are tweeting (Morrii).

And this situation could not have been handled in the off-season because the Suns had Eric in their long term plans. If your intent is status quo, you do not need to initiate talks. If you want to extend a player, you talk to him. If he wants and extension, he talks to you. You don't call up his agent and say, "Hey, I know Eric is up for an extension, but we don't plan on doing it because we think he is injury prone and we want to get a solid season of good health before we commit any longer." Eric did not ask for the extension until October. But it is perfectly reasonable for management to refuse and extension and still expect the player to play. It happens ALL THE TIME in this league. Rich Paul did not demand a trade until October.

So cut the freaking hindsight. This should not have happened at all. The only way McD should have predicted this is if he assumed that Rich Paul was a butt hole and Eric was a cry baby.

That's all great stuff but 1) NBA players will not look kindly on benching a healthy Bledsoe in his prime, two seasons in a row for whatever reason and 2) a functioning organization makes the decision to trade Bledsoe in the off season because they have a better understanding of their players.

Suns have butchered relationships in the past in this same way. Knowing what a player wants, how they are feeling towards the organization, etc are fundamental management practices. He was shopped. The a healthy scratch. And then shopped openly again in the Kyrie talks. He has an extention opportunity and one of the most difficult agents in the business repping him. A better organization identifies these issues and makes a move.

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Again. Absolute baloney. This is not about sitting last year. This is about a contract situation now. Also, yes, he was shopped last summer in the Kyrie situation and when asked about it, it was clear that mgmt HAD kept him in the loop on it and he was fine with being traded to the Cavs if that happened. The Cavs wanted the fourth pick AND Bledsoe for Kyrie and that would have been too much. When is the last time you heard of ANY player requesting an immediate trade, yes immediate, if he does not get a max extension two years into a four year deal? Can't find one. There isn't one. NBA business is not done like that.

My only issue with McD was the "that's not what a leader does" comment, and that might have been for the sake of the rest of the team as much as out of frustration.

[Kerrsed]

DET - Bledsoe/Chandler/Faried
DEN - Jackson/JonesJr
PHX - Drummond/Mudiay

That leaves us with a free roster space to take on Okafor and the 2nd round picks that will be coming with him.

James/Mudiay/Ulis
Booker/Daniels
Warren/Jackson/Dudley
Chriss/Bender
Drummond/Len/Okafor

[JJ13]

Would Clips do...

Bled to DET
R. Jackson & Tyson Chandler to LA
Jordan & Lou Williams (exp) to PHX

[jredsaz]

Baloney! You know how the NBA players I care most about are handling it?

"Thank God! Mike, pass me the ball!"

NBA players do not look kindly on another player that dogs on his team just because he wants a new deal. His poor play reflects on them. You heard some Suns player say nice things about Watson after he left. But what about Bledsoe?

Crickets chirping.

That is telling. Not one "We sure would love to get Bled back" or "We really miss him, but its a business". Not one. The only reason we think its a problem with other players is because two knuckleheads with and agenda are tweeting (Morrii).

And this situation could not have been handled in the off-season because the Suns had Eric in their long term plans. If your intent is status quo, you do not need to initiate talks. If you want to extend a player, you talk to him. If he wants and extension, he talks to you. You don't call up his agent and say, "Hey, I know Eric is up for an extension, but we don't plan on doing it because we think he is injury prone and we want to get a solid season of good health before we commit any longer." Eric did not ask for the extension until October. But it is perfectly reasonable for management to refuse and extension and still expect the player to play. It happens ALL THE TIME in this league. Rich Paul did not demand a trade until October.

So cut the freaking hindsight. This should not have happened at all. The only way McD should have predicted this is if he assumed that Rich Paul was a butt hole and Eric was a cry baby.

That's all great stuff but 1) NBA players will not look kindly on benching a healthy Bledsoe in his prime, two seasons in a row for whatever reason and 2) a functioning organization makes the decision to trade Bledsoe in the off season because they have a better understanding of their players.

Suns have butchered relationships in the past in this same way. Knowing what a player wants, how they are feeling towards the organization, etc are fundamental management practices. He was shopped. The a healthy scratch. And then shopped openly again in the Kyrie talks. He has an extention opportunity and one of the most difficult agents in the business repping him. A better organization identifies these issues and makes a move.

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Again. Absolute baloney. This is not about sitting last year. This is about a contract situation now. Also, yes, he was shopped last summer in the Kyrie situation and when asked about it, it was clear that mgmt HAD kept him in the loop on it and he was fine with being traded to the Cavs if that happened. The Cavs wanted the fourth pick AND Bledsoe for Kyrie and that would have been too much. When is the last time you heard of ANY player requesting an immediate trade, yes immediate, if he does not get a max extension two years into a four year deal? Can't find one. There isn't one. NBA business is not done like that.

My only issue with McD was the "that's not what a leader does" comment, and that might have been for the sake of the rest of the team as much as out of frustration.

It's funny that you are defending an organization with this kind of player relations track record. You can make all the excuses you want to but bottom line we have another starter publicly demanding a trade. That's not a good look. Better run organization's don't have that happen. Agents see this. Players see this. It's not good for business.

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