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2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation

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Do you truly expect the Suns to win the finals this year?

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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#1721 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:56 pm

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Any reason why OKC would trade him? Is he a FA after this year?


Pure speculation, He's a really solid glue guy in the Jared Dudley mold. And he's on a really good contract too. So they not have any immenent reasons to trade him, In these situations and with a GM like Presti, The temptation of getting another 1st + a young recent lotto big man prospect ( who in draft comparisons was likened somewhat to Ibaka in his ceiling/ outlook) would be very enticing for him to consider? :dontknow:

I just think knowing Presti, He'd prioritize the additional draft Capital and upside swing on a young lotto big prospect like Jalen as he might make the upside comparison to Ibaka as well with the right development and actual minutes given towards that outcome? They also don't really need someone like Williams who only makes them nominally better but has no legitimate star upside. Especially for a ranking team looking to bottom out. Personally I wouldn't surrender both Smith and a 1st for Williams without getting back EITHER Tre Mann ( 1st choice) or Aaron Wiggins ( 2nd choice) back in the deal too. :nod:
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Post#1722 » by suns12345 » Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:16 pm

Revived wrote:NBA needs to adopt the NFL strategy in regards to covid. Stop testing vaccinated asymptomatic players regularly and test them as frequently as they do standard drug tests. And if vaccinated player is asymptomatic then they can come back to play within 24 hrs of negative test.

It’s insane right now the amount of NBA players on the covid list and reportedly like 95%+ of them are completely asymptomatic.


Do they all actually have covid or just close contacts?
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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#1723 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:25 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
King4Day wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:David (@theIVpointplay) Tweeted:
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Any reason why OKC would trade him? Is he a FA after this year?


Pure speculation, He's a really solid glue guy in the Jared Dudley mold. And he's on a really good contract too. So they not have any immenent reasons to trade him, In these situations and with a GM like Presti, The temptation of getting another 1st + a young recent lotto big man prospect ( who in draft comparisons was likened somewhat to Ibaka in his ceiling/ outlook) would be very enticing for him to consider? :dontknow:

I just think knowing Presti, He'd prioritize the additional draft Capital and upside swing on a young lotto big prospect like Jalen as he might make the upside comparison to Ibaka as well with the right development and actual minutes given towards that outcome? They also don't really need someone like Williams who only makes them nominally better but has no legitimate star upside. Especially for a ranking team looking to bottom out. Personally I wouldn't surrender both Smith and a 1st for Williams without getting back EITHER Tre Mann ( 1st choice) or Aaron Wiggins ( 2nd choice) back in the deal too. :nod:


I might give them a SRP for Williams, but not a first - not even if they include one of those other players you mention. If they're getting a first, they need to take Saric off our hands. A more distant, lightly protected FRP from us might have that kind of value, considering Paul's age. If we need to add a couple SRPs to shed Saric's salary, so be it. We need that money to pay Ayton (and McGee).
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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#1724 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:34 pm

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Any reason why OKC would trade him? Is he a FA after this year?


Pure speculation, He's a really solid glue guy in the Jared Dudley mold. And he's on a really good contract too. So they not have any immenent reasons to trade him, In these situations and with a GM like Presti, The temptation of getting another 1st + a young recent lotto big man prospect ( who in draft comparisons was likened somewhat to Ibaka in his ceiling/ outlook) would be very enticing for him to consider? :dontknow:

I just think knowing Presti, He'd prioritize the additional draft Capital and upside swing on a young lotto big prospect like Jalen as he might make the upside comparison to Ibaka as well with the right development and actual minutes given towards that outcome? They also don't really need someone like Williams who only makes them nominally better but has no legitimate star upside. Especially for a ranking team looking to bottom out. Personally I wouldn't surrender both Smith and a 1st for Williams without getting back EITHER Tre Mann ( 1st choice) or Aaron Wiggins ( 2nd choice) back in the deal too. :nod:


I might give them a SRP for Williams, but not a first - not even if they include one of those other players you mention. If they're getting a first, they need to take Saric off our hands. A more distant, lightly protected FRP from us might have that kind of value, considering Paul's age. If we need to add a couple SRPs to shed Saric's salary, so be it. We need that money to pay Ayton (and McGee).


Not at all against that! Although I also don't think Williams would allow Saric to be traded (which I think is a mistake personally) especially IF his salary is the determining factor in us being unable to resign McGee!! As for the firsts, I don't feel Kenrich Williams is legitimately worth a first myself, But that's the apparent consensus on his percieved value (mid to late first range). Of course I'd have solid protections on the pick as well as he's not the flashy or sexy get for us that people would be talking about. He's more of an under the radar stabilizer type of depth option. But that's also why I'd love to get back one of Mann or Wiggins. Because both have incredible upside and are also currently under the radar prospects. But yes, overall I'd prefer a trade wherein we actually clear Sarics' salary off the books! But if Monty and Jones are unwilling to consider this, and the premise is to trade with OKC ( in this scenario), then I'd prefer these assets coming back. But I'd still look to move Sarics' expiring this summer to clear cap space to resign McGee for sure! :nod: ( Definite priority).

This is why I suggested the Portland trailblazers trade for us to send out Saric/ Smith and a first ( protected) :wink: for Covington ( expiring), McLemore ( expiring) or Snell ( expiring)?

The trailblazers have been coveting a floor spacing big like Love for a long time now. They also struck out on Gallinari too. But Saric is actually gettable for them as a lesser version of love now. But the first is the prize in this deal as another potential asset to include in a Simmons trade. Also, Philly still ( for whatever reason seems to have interest in reacquiring Saric back also. ( mentioned by fans on trade board). So that could also potentially be viewed as a potential asset if necessary for their interests.

I wonder if Dallas would have interest in a Saric/ Smith/Nader/ 1st deal for Kleber/ Finney Smith/ Brown?
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For Kleber/ Brunson/ Omoryu (or moses Brown)?
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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#1725 » by King4Day » Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:15 pm

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King4Day wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:David (@theIVpointplay) Tweeted:
This is honestly pretty silly. https://t.co/4WqZJg2n08
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Any reason why OKC would trade him? Is he a FA after this year?


Pure speculation, He's a really solid glue guy in the Jared Dudley mold. And he's on a really good contract too. So they not have any immenent reasons to trade him, In these situations and with a GM like Presti, The temptation of getting another 1st + a young recent lotto big man prospect ( who in draft comparisons was likened somewhat to Ibaka in his ceiling/ outlook) would be very enticing for him to consider? :dontknow:

I just think knowing Presti, He'd prioritize the additional draft Capital and upside swing on a young lotto big prospect like Jalen as he might make the upside comparison to Ibaka as well with the right development and actual minutes given towards that outcome? They also don't really need someone like Williams who only makes them nominally better but has no legitimate star upside. Especially for a ranking team looking to bottom out. Personally I wouldn't surrender both Smith and a 1st for Williams without getting back EITHER Tre Mann ( 1st choice) or Aaron Wiggins ( 2nd choice) back in the deal too. :nod:


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Post#1727 » by garrick » Fri Dec 24, 2021 3:56 am

Revived wrote:NBA needs to adopt the NFL strategy in regards to covid. Stop testing vaccinated asymptomatic players regularly and test them as frequently as they do standard drug tests. And if vaccinated player is asymptomatic then they can come back to play within 24 hrs of negative test.

It’s insane right now the amount of NBA players on the covid list and reportedly like 95%+ of them are completely asymptomatic.


That's probably because 97 percent of the league is vaccinated and is a pretty good indication that the vaccines are doing their job.

The 3 percent of unvaccinated players are who you really have to worry about as we still don't know how severe omicron is against the unvaccinated.
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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#1728 » by Preacher162a » Fri Dec 24, 2021 5:06 am

RHJ would still be a good add for the 15th spot. Bacon or Allonzo Trier could add shooting. Kostas Antetokounmpo would be a funny add just to taunt the Bucks (purely kidding here but would be a mind f*ck). Would you throw a second rounder or two to Sac for Bagley? I would just to have a back up 4 off the bench. They did not sign an extention on him and he would be an end of year rental, so I wouldn't give much.
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Post#1729 » by Mulhollanddrive » Fri Dec 24, 2021 10:59 am

Jock Landale is playing well so Thad Young could have played his last game for Spurs.
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Post#1730 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Dec 24, 2021 4:49 pm

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Cam Johnson is the X-factor for the Phoenix Suns. When he's playing like he is right now the Suns are damn near unbeatable.
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Cam is becoming damn incredible. If he keeps this up throughout the season, he'll probably easily command somewhere in the 16-18 range conservatively.

I'm curious as to what people see his potential projection as though?? Is he more a 6'9 Klay Thompson with his underrated defense and his stellar shooting.

Or is he more in the mold of a prime Gallinari without the back issues? Am I missing any good comparisons? Could he become another Steve Smith perhaps? :dontknow:



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Post#1731 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Dec 24, 2021 6:25 pm

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Players drafted from 2011-2020 with BPM > 12.0, TS% > 62.0%, 3P% > 40%, and strength of schedule > 10.0:

Frank Kaminsky
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Post#1732 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Dec 24, 2021 8:06 pm

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Post#1733 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Dec 24, 2021 8:29 pm

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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#1734 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Dec 25, 2021 3:30 am

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Post#1735 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Dec 25, 2021 4:38 am

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NBA Trade Rumors: Jazz's Joe Ingles 'A Name to Watch' as Rival Execs Discuss Value

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The Utah Jazz may explore trading Joe Ingles ahead of the 2022 NBA trade deadline as they try to fortify their roster for a deep playoff push.

Zach Lowe of ESPN reported league executives have wondered what the Jazz could land by packaging Ingles and a first-round pick. The veteran forward is in the final year of his contract and has seen his numbers and role take a dip this season.

Ingles has a $13.0 cap hit this season, which is a relative bargain even in his slightly diminished state. It's difficult to envision what type of player the Jazz could land in that price range who would be more impactful during the postseason.

Utah is currently third in the Western Conference with a 22-9 record, but its focus is not on the regular season. The Donovan Mitchell-Rudy Gobert Jazz have consistently fallen short in the playoffs, having never gotten past the second round.

With Ingles standing out as more of a luxury than a vital piece at the moment, it's possible that the Jazz look for a player who breaks the mold in their steady offensive ecosystem. 


Should we have any interest in Ingles?? He's currently a 13 million expiring contract. So we could possibly clear that money off the books in such a deal. Ingles is a good ballhandler, passer, and three point shooter with a good IQ. He's basically a slightly smaller but more mobile version of Saric. Now he obviously could help as a floor spacer ( career 40% 3 pt shooter) and a really solid frontcourt ( at 6'8) playmaker at times. But I'm not sure aside from a first and a comparable salary what we could do for a trade. ALSO, I'm not too keen on possibly helping a conference rival. Unless they'd be willing to maybe take Saric's salary, looking towards next season with him having an impact for them then. But they get a first and maybe a Nader or Payton out of it??

But as a 13 million expiring, Should we consider trading for him somehow??
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Post#1736 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Dec 25, 2021 5:01 am

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Post#1737 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Dec 25, 2021 5:22 am

Xin Varlock (@XinNBA) Tweeted:
The NBA released its MVP ladder today (15 players), and all three of Chris Paul, Devin Booker, and Deandre Ayton are on it. No sign of Draymond Green or KAT.

The Suns should have three all-stars this year.
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Post#1738 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Dec 25, 2021 5:26 am

Zona (@ZonaHoops_) Tweeted:
Things that need to happen:

•Devin Booker ASG guard starter out West alongside Steph Curry.

•Deandre Ayton and Chris Paul ASG reserves.

•Mikal Bridges 1st Team All-Defense, DPOY votes.

•CP3 & Book All-NBA 1st/2nd Team.

•Ayton 2nd Team All-Defense.

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Post#1739 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sat Dec 25, 2021 8:34 am

If Booker makes All-NBA he's eligible for supermax 35%, could be interesting for Sarver.
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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#1740 » by King4Day » Sat Dec 25, 2021 4:11 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10021971-nba-trade-rumors-jazzs-joe-ingles-a-name-to-watch-as-rival-execs-discuss-value.amp.html

NBA Trade Rumors: Jazz's Joe Ingles 'A Name to Watch' as Rival Execs Discuss Value

TYLER CONWAY
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The Utah Jazz may explore trading Joe Ingles ahead of the 2022 NBA trade deadline as they try to fortify their roster for a deep playoff push.

Zach Lowe of ESPN reported league executives have wondered what the Jazz could land by packaging Ingles and a first-round pick. The veteran forward is in the final year of his contract and has seen his numbers and role take a dip this season.

Ingles has a $13.0 cap hit this season, which is a relative bargain even in his slightly diminished state. It's difficult to envision what type of player the Jazz could land in that price range who would be more impactful during the postseason.

Utah is currently third in the Western Conference with a 22-9 record, but its focus is not on the regular season. The Donovan Mitchell-Rudy Gobert Jazz have consistently fallen short in the playoffs, having never gotten past the second round.

With Ingles standing out as more of a luxury than a vital piece at the moment, it's possible that the Jazz look for a player who breaks the mold in their steady offensive ecosystem. 


Should we have any interest in Ingles?? He's currently a 13 million expiring contract. So we could possibly clear that money off the books in such a deal. Ingles is a good ballhandler, passer, and three point shooter with a good IQ. He's basically a slightly smaller but more mobile version of Saric. Now he obviously could help as a floor spacer ( career 40% 3 pt shooter) and a really solid frontcourt ( at 6'8) playmaker at times. But I'm not sure aside from a first and a comparable salary what we could do for a trade. ALSO, I'm not too keen on possibly helping a conference rival. Unless they'd be willing to maybe take Saric's salary, looking towards next season with him having an impact for them then. But they get a first and maybe a Nader or Payton out of it??

But as a 13 million expiring, Should we consider trading for him somehow??


I just don't see them moving him to their direct competition. Unless we move CamJo to them since Ingles likely will be cheaper.
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