Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continues

[SunsFanSSOL]

G Dragic / Thomas ... / Archie
Bledsoe / ... / Z Dragic
Tucker / Green ... / Warren
Mk Morris .. / Mc Morris
Plumlee / Len


sick. i'm not sure if we'll be seeing the Morrises around after this season. if they play as well or better than they did last year, then maybe the suns pay to keep them, i dunno.

Len is the low hanging fruit for team improvement this season. Cmon big guy..

If Len comes out and stinks it up (as expected), I'd look to target a defensive big using Len, Green and Ennis as assets. Thinking a guy like Sanders, Hibbert, Ibaka etc. I'd throw big money at DeAndre Jordan next off-season too if he's not extended by LA.

[thamadkant]

My opinions or feelings are not baseless and I am sick and tired of the notion that sports fans don't or shouldn't *actually* feel things or that any negative feelings toward a player or team are automatically to be dismissed as without merit. That's where that whole "hating on" garbage came from and it's really dumb.

Well aren't you the pot calling the kettle black. You need to take a look in the mirror bro. You seem to have no problem automatically dismissing other posters negative opinions when they are not aligned with your own. Here is a post that you directed at me a few months back because I voiced my concern about having Goran Dragic as the Suns best player:

BurningHeart wrote

"This team went from 20 wins to 48 wins in a single year largely because of Goran Dragic and you still have people whining about "franchise players" and "tanking" to get some loser in a draft and still think someone can go from worst to first. Newsflash, guy: This IS our rebuild. The team took massive strides last year and told you and cancerous douchebags LIKE you who would rather foster a losing culture to shove it up your ass. Go back to playing NBA2K because your preferred way doesn't work in real life.

Guess what, your "sainted" 2014 #1 pick that everyone jizzed over for the last two years is getting dealt for a superstar NBA player that nobody came close to expecting would be this good.

Good grief. Another one to the ignore list. I'd prefer it if none of you guys quoted this guy ever again. Thanks."

You can sure dish it out BurningHeart, why don't you lean to take it too?

Just stick up for what you believe in and answer back... its opinion vs opinion and its a 50/50 split here in the Suns forums.. you already know you have half the posters in your side.

[aIvin adams]

G Dragic / Thomas ... / Archie
Bledsoe / ... / Z Dragic
Tucker / Green ... / Warren
Mk Morris .. / Mc Morris
Plumlee / Len


sick. i'm not sure if we'll be seeing the Morrises around after this season. if they play as well or better than they did last year, then maybe the suns pay to keep them, i dunno.

Len is the low hanging fruit for team improvement this season. Cmon big guy..

If Len comes out and stinks it up (as expected), I'd look to target a defensive big using Len, Green and Ennis as assets. Thinking a guy like Sanders, Hibbert, Ibaka etc. I'd throw big money at DeAndre Jordan next off-season too if he's not extended by LA.

i agree except I don't think the suns should shop Len. they have him locked up at a good price for two more years. if he stinks so bad that Ryan decides he was mistaken about Len's potential, then he would probably not be worth much as a trade asset. might as well keep him and see if he can turn it around.

why do you think he will stink? he looks good to me. he's huge and can play bball. 2/2

[aIvin adams]

My opinions or feelings are not baseless and I am sick and tired of the notion that sports fans don't or shouldn't *actually* feel things or that any negative feelings toward a player or team are automatically to be dismissed as without merit. That's where that whole "hating on" garbage came from and it's really dumb.

Well aren't you the pot calling the kettle black. You need to take a look in the mirror bro. You seem to have no problem automatically dismissing other posters negative opinions when they are not aligned with your own. Here is a post that you directed at me a few months back because I voiced my concern about having Goran Dragic as the Suns best player:

BurningHeart wrote

"This team went from 20 wins to 48 wins in a single year largely because of Goran Dragic and you still have people whining about "franchise players" and "tanking" to get some loser in a draft and still think someone can go from worst to first. Newsflash, guy: This IS our rebuild. The team took massive strides last year and told you and cancerous douchebags LIKE you who would rather foster a losing culture to shove it up your ass. Go back to playing NBA2K because your preferred way doesn't work in real life.

Guess what, your "sainted" 2014 #1 pick that everyone jizzed over for the last two years is getting dealt for a superstar NBA player that nobody came close to expecting would be this good.

Good grief. Another one to the ignore list. I'd prefer it if none of you guys quoted this guy ever again. Thanks."

You can sure dish it out BurningHeart, why don't you lean to take it too?

Just stick up for what you believe in and answer back... its opinion vs opinion and its a 50/50 split here in the Suns forums.. you already know you have half the posters in your side.

wrong

[SunsFanSSOL]

G Dragic / Thomas ... / Archie
Bledsoe / ... / Z Dragic
Tucker / Green ... / Warren
Mk Morris .. / Mc Morris
Plumlee / Len


sick. i'm not sure if we'll be seeing the Morrises around after this season. if they play as well or better than they did last year, then maybe the suns pay to keep them, i dunno.

Len is the low hanging fruit for team improvement this season. Cmon big guy..

If Len comes out and stinks it up (as expected), I'd look to target a defensive big using Len, Green and Ennis as assets. Thinking a guy like Sanders, Hibbert, Ibaka etc. I'd throw big money at DeAndre Jordan next off-season too if he's not extended by LA.

i agree except I don't think the suns should shop Len. they have him locked up at a good price for two more years. if he stinks so bad that Ryan decides he was mistaken about Len's potential, then he would probably not be worth much as a trade asset. might as well keep him and see if he can turn it around.

why do you think he will stink? he looks good to me. he's huge and can play bball. 2/2

He has poor awareness, played bad last year, wasn't anything special in college, but he has good size and if he could develop a reliable post game and jumper he'd be money. His contract gets to be a little high in a few years though.

[SideSwipe]

We still need to get a third big guy to help round out the team. Preferably a big guy who can block and rebound and hopefully can hit free throws. Here are some targets that I think may be achievable if we can't get a guy like Okafor or O'neal. With Ennis, Randolph and maybe Goodwin as trade bait, we might be able to get one of the following.

O'quinn
Gobert
Withey
Aldrich
Biyombo
Henson

Each of those guys are relatively high on the list of PER36 shot blockers, and most are decent rebounders as well. I would prefer to get one that also hits freethrows above a 60% rate to help assure that they can stay on the floor when needed, but the rebounding and shot-blocking are more key, in my mind, since we also have Plumlee and Len.

Did anyone ever sign Okafor?

Not yet. I have not heard of him signing. Just kicking the tires a couple of places. O'neal either, though Golden State seems amenable.

[jcsunsfan]

If Len comes out and stinks it up (as expected), I'd look to target a defensive big using Len, Green and Ennis as assets. Thinking a guy like Sanders, Hibbert, Ibaka etc. I'd throw big money at DeAndre Jordan next off-season too if he's not extended by LA.

i agree except I don't think the suns should shop Len. they have him locked up at a good price for two more years. if he stinks so bad that Ryan decides he was mistaken about Len's potential, then he would probably not be worth much as a trade asset. might as well keep him and see if he can turn it around.

why do you think he will stink? he looks good to me. he's huge and can play bball. 2/2

He has poor awareness, played bad last year, wasn't anything special in college, but he has good size and if he could develop a reliable post game and jumper he'd be money. His contract gets to be a little high in a few years though.

Actually, he showed himself to be special in college when he was healthy and actually got the ball. He was injured last year. McDonough has been scouting Len since he was 13, I trust he sees something there.

[MrMiyagi]

I like our team as it is right now. I don't think we have anyone on the roster that can't give us some good minutes. I'm not sure how many other teams can say that. Just look at our possible line-up

Goran/IT/Ennis
Bledsoe/Archie/Zoran
PJ/Green/TJ
Kieff/Marcus/Tolliver
Miles/Len/Randolph

Center is definitely our weakest position, but I was having trouble deciding who should be where on our depth chart at 1-3. And just imagine all the different permutations at those positions. Maybe I'm overconfident in some of these guys, but I don't think anyone on our roster has given me a reason to seriously doubt them. I mean, Frye/Barbosa/Christmas/Ish/Kravtsov is now IT/TJ/Ennis/Zoran/Tolliver. I'd say that second group is better than the first one. But, hey what do I know.

[ShawnBronald]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ValleyoftheSuns/status/515636310405836800[/tweet]

[Sunsdeuce]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/kyle_odegard/status/515605814661222400[/tweet]
Awesome pick. Two of the best GMs in sports. Right now keim is ranked alittle ahead of Ryan Mcd. But it's pretty close. Btw, for those of you who don't know, The guy on the left is Ryan Mcd's brother who is terry Mcd (cardinals vp of player personnel). The McDonoughs are pretty entrenched in AZ.

Btw the story on the tweet is pretty good.

[ShawnBronald]

Awesome pick. Two of the best GMs in sports. Right now keim is ranked alittle ahead of Ryan Mcd. But it's pretty close. Btw, for those of you who don't know, The guy on the left is Ryan Mcd's brother who is terry Mcd (cardinals vp of player personnel). The McDonoughs are pretty entrenched in AZ.

Sure wish there was a 3rd McDonough that could join the Diamondbacks. They really need it.

[Sunsdeuce]

Awesome pick. Two of the best GMs in sports. Right now keim is ranked alittle ahead of Ryan Mcd. But it's pretty close. Btw, for those of you who don't know, The guy on the left is Ryan Mcd's brother who is terry Mcd (cardinals vp of player personnel). The McDonoughs are pretty entrenched in AZ.

Sure wish there was a 3rd McDonough that could join the Diamondbacks. They really need it.

You can say that again. (Literally)


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[Sunsdeuce]

@foxsports910: ICYMI - Our @jodyoehler broke down what @Suns GM Ryan McDonough said after the Bledsoe signing: http://t.co/mldw3CMDKl


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[Sunsdeuce]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/fauxjohnmadden/status/515639025982791681[/tweet]
This should lighten the mood here. Pretty funny.

[aIvin adams]

@foxsports910: ICYMI - Our @jodyoehler broke down what @Suns GM Ryan McDonough said after the Bledsoe signing: http://t.co/mldw3CMDKl


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2. How important was the 5th year for the Bledsoe camp and when did you decide internally to offer that?

Ryan McDonough: “It was important to both sides and in some ways it may have been more valuable to us, its actually something we really wanted. Some of the information we’ve gathered over the past few months about the new national TV contract that looks like it will be kicking in here as soon as next season, summer of ‘15, or if not then the summer of 2016, so our projections show a rapidly increasing salary cap. With a player like Eric who’s 24 years old and a guy we think took a big step last year and just kind of entering the prime years of his career, we really wanted to lock him in for as long as possible. It gave Eric and his family great security and also we think over the course of the deal, we feel like Eric will be one of the elite guards in the NBA and it will give us kind of a fixed cost and some cost certainty when we’re expecting the salary cap and individual player salaries to escalate pretty quickly.”

i believe it

[No-Man]

so unless any injury occur I'm guessing the main rotation will be,

Bledsoe-Thomas
Dragic-Dragic
Tucker-Green
Morris-Morris
Plumlee-Len

right? not much playing time for Ennis, expected, Goodwin, still raw and with Zoran in..., Warren, many guys ahead of him, and Randolph, not a NBA player.
I expect Tolliver to get some minutes here and there as a specialist.
I guess the first guy in if there are injuries will be TJ.

Its easy to see how it should work for the Suns in the future, re-sign Dragic, re-sign the Morris for a good deal giving the fact that you can offer both of them to stay togeter, let Green go and give his minutes to Warren/Goodwin, go for a big name for the frontcourt in the FA, draft the best available, and probably trade Ennis as soon as possible he is not going to get ANY playing time in the future and is a lost asset.

[aIvin adams]

so unless any injury occur I'm guessing the main rotation will be,

Bledsoe-Thomas
Dragic-Dragic
Tucker-Green
Morris-Morris
Plumlee-Len

right? not much playing time for Ennis, expected, Goodwin, still raw and with Zoran in..., Warren, many guys ahead of him, and Randolph, not a NBA player.
I expect Tolliver to get some minutes here and there as a specialist.
I guess the first guy in if there are injuries will be TJ.

Its easy to see how it should work for the Suns in the future, re-sign Dragic, re-sign the Morris for a good deal giving the fact that you can offer both of them to stay togeter, let Green go and give his minutes to Warren/Goodwin, go for a big name for the frontcourt in the FA, draft the best available, and probably trade Ennis as soon as possible he is not going to get ANY playing time in the future and is a lost asset.

basically Ryan has a three point 'to-do list' in order to bring home a championship:

1) convince Boogie to demand a trade
2) trade all the assets for boogie
3) plan championship parade in downtown Phx

[No-Man]

And of course if you dont feel confident enough in signing a big guy, you can offer a package around Ennis, Goodwin or Warren, Green, Len and either your own 1st or Lakers 1st, plus a salary filler, Tolliver, Randolph... whatever, for a big name, thats a really good package.

I think Cousins could be the next big name to get traded and Phoenix has a lot to offer.

[Sunsdeuce]

so unless any injury occur I'm guessing the main rotation will be,

Bledsoe-Thomas
Dragic-Dragic
Tucker-Green
Morris-Morris
Plumlee-Len

right? not much playing time for Ennis, expected, Goodwin, still raw and with Zoran in..., Warren, many guys ahead of him, and Randolph, not a NBA player.
I expect Tolliver to get some minutes here and there as a specialist.
I guess the first guy in if there are injuries will be TJ.

Its easy to see how it should work for the Suns in the future, re-sign Dragic, re-sign the Morris for a good deal giving the fact that you can offer both of them to stay togeter, let Green go and give his minutes to Warren/Goodwin, go for a big name for the frontcourt in the FA, draft the best available, and probably trade Ennis as soon as possible he is not going to get ANY playing time in the future and is a lost asset.

As much as I think (as of right this second, but those players might become good in time) Ryan Mcd whiffed on Alex Len and Ennis, warren just might redeem Ryan. Warren may be the steal of the draft. Many people (so called experts) are saying he will be the steal of the draft.

Reason I bring up warren is that warren may over take tucker on the depth chart close to the end of the year or beginning of next year. With Marcus and now warren, I think tucker will get traded within the next year/year and a half. Two reasons to trade tucker. 1) pick up a draft pick. 2) dump his salary to give a little extra room to resign the morrii. There are a few teams, I know would trade for him now.


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[Sunsdeuce]

And of course if you dont feel confident enough in signing a big guy, you can offer a package around Ennis, Goodwin or Warren, Green, Len and either your own 1st or Lakers 1st, plus a salary filler, Tolliver, Randolph... whatever, for a big name, thats a really good package.

I think Cousins could be the next big name to get traded and Phoenix has a lot to offer.

If things go bad in sac town, I can see something going down.


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