Potential Trade Thread

[Revived]

Corey Brewer has pretty damn bad contract.

I'm ok with Jones but I'm not sure Jones is so good that it's worth taking on a terrible contract like Brewer's.

Not to mention we'll have to pay big $$ to even retain Jones who becomes an RFA at the end of the season.

We shouldn't have to help Houston so much.

[jcsunsfan]

I've totally cooled on Ryan Anderson.

The only trade I would be interested in would be Kieff/PJ for Jones/Lawson

[AtheJ415]

Corey Brewer has pretty damn bad contract.

I'm ok with Jones but I'm not sure Jones is so good that it's worth taking on a terrible contract like Brewer's.

Not to mention we'll have to pay big $$ to even retain Jones who becomes an RFA at the end of the season.

We shouldn't have to help Houston so much.

I agree. I'm not a fan of keeping Brewer. We do have a month to find a taker for him to make this a 3 way though, or to convince Houston to keep Brewer, who they play a ton so somebody likes him, and give us a couple guys they don't play instead even if it means us throwing in a pick (KJ McDaniels and literally any of their low level salaries), which would work in the trade machine.

But, I will say that Chandler, Len, Jones, and Leuer would be a really nice big man rotation. 3 of those guys can play center, both of the 4s can shoot 3s, defend, and rebound, and there's just a lot of athleticism there. I think Jones would really allow us to push the tempo. He's very different on the fast break than any big we've had in awhile between his speed and handles.

[Gorilla Warfare]

I've totally cooled on Ryan Anderson.

The only trade I would be interested in would be Kieff/PJ for Jones/Lawson

Lawson is a PG. It makes absolutely 0 sense to add him to our already guard-heavy team.

I'd personally take the risk on Dwight/Jones for Kieff/Archie/Chandler.

[JacobHoward]

Just listened to today's Basketball Insiders podcast and Steve Kyler said he's spoken to a couple GM's who said their owners won't let them touch Keef because of his assault charges. He also said GM's actually don't like his contract because of the length, and they fear if they trade for Keef and he continues to play poorly or continues to have off the court problems, they'd be stuck with him. Because of all this, some GM's said they don't even think Keef's worth Ryan Anderson straight up.

[AtheJ415]

Just listened to today's Basketball Insiders podcast and Steve Kyler said he's spoken to a couple GM's who said their owners won't let them touch Keef because of his assault charges. He also said GM's actually don't like his contract because of the length, and they fear if they trade for Keef and he continues to play poorly or continues to have off the court problems, they'd be stuck with him. Because of all this, some GM's said they don't even think Keef's worth Ryan Anderson straight up.

I can buy the length being a negative if it was a poor play issue, but the off the court stuff continuing and being stuck with the contract is bogus logic. You could void the contract if a player commits multiple felonies. There are character clauses for a reason.

[JacobHoward]

Just listened to today's Basketball Insiders podcast and Steve Kyler said he's spoken to a couple GM's who said their owners won't let them touch Keef because of his assault charges. He also said GM's actually don't like his contract because of the length, and they fear if they trade for Keef and he continues to play poorly or continues to have off the court problems, they'd be stuck with him. Because of all this, some GM's said they don't even think Keef's worth Ryan Anderson straight up.

I can buy the length being a negative if it was a poor play issue, but the off the court stuff continuing and being stuck with the contract is bogus logic. You could void the contract if a player commits multiple felonies. There are character clauses for a reason.

With the off the court issues, I think he meant if the court case continues to get dragged out.


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[jcsunsfan]

I've totally cooled on Ryan Anderson.

The only trade I would be interested in would be Kieff/PJ for Jones/Lawson

Lawson is a PG. It makes absolutely 0 sense to add him to our already guard-heavy team.

I'd personally take the risk on Dwight/Jones for Kieff/Archie/Chandler.

Lawson gave up his guarantee for next year. He is an expiring. It doesn't matter a whit what position he plays. We could easily deal him to another team like the Knicks.

[jcsunsfan]

Just listened to today's Basketball Insiders podcast and Steve Kyler said he's spoken to a couple GM's who said their owners won't let them touch Keef because of his assault charges. He also said GM's actually don't like his contract because of the length, and they fear if they trade for Keef and he continues to play poorly or continues to have off the court problems, they'd be stuck with him. Because of all this, some GM's said they don't even think Keef's worth Ryan Anderson straight up.

I would rather just keep Kieff and play him off the bench then.

Start listening at about the 15 minute mark.
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/podcast-ty-lawson-dwight-howard-the-lakers-and-the-kings/

[Qwigglez]

Just listened to today's Basketball Insiders podcast and Steve Kyler said he's spoken to a couple GM's who said their owners won't let them touch Keef because of his assault charges. He also said GM's actually don't like his contract because of the length, and they fear if they trade for Keef and he continues to play poorly or continues to have off the court problems, they'd be stuck with him. Because of all this, some GM's said they don't even think Keef's worth Ryan Anderson straight up.

I think that's total BS. If GM's have said this it's only because they are trying to buy low on Kieff. Pistons were willing to give Marcus a shot and he's been playing phenomenal basketball for them. Felony charges are still pending for Marcus too right? So why is Kieff any different? I understand we aren't just gonna give up Kieff in the same manner as Marcus, but teams have to be willing to give up something tangible for what Kieff can potentially bring.

Also, I think Kieff is more valuable than Ryan Anderson long term. If I'm a team I'd rather go after Kieff because his contract is what it is, where Ryan Anderson could potentially command the max. Kieff at 8mil is far better than Ryan Anderson at 16mil++.

Rant over, I don't buy the BS some of these GM's are trying to pull. McD is clearly smarter than that.

[JacobHoward]

Just listened to today's Basketball Insiders podcast and Steve Kyler said he's spoken to a couple GM's who said their owners won't let them touch Keef because of his assault charges. He also said GM's actually don't like his contract because of the length, and they fear if they trade for Keef and he continues to play poorly or continues to have off the court problems, they'd be stuck with him. Because of all this, some GM's said they don't even think Keef's worth Ryan Anderson straight up.

I think that's total BS. If GM's have said this it's only because they are trying to buy low on Kieff. Pistons were willing to give Marcus a shot and he's been playing phenomenal basketball for them. Felony charges are still pending for Marcus too right? So why is Kieff any different? I understand we aren't just gonna give up Kieff in the same manner as Marcus, but teams have to be willing to give up something tangible for what Kieff can potentially bring.

Also, I think Kieff is more valuable than Ryan Anderson long term. If I'm a team I'd rather go after Kieff because his contract is what it is, where Ryan Anderson could potentially command the max. Kieff at 8mil is far better than Ryan Anderson at 16mil++.

Rant over, I don't buy the BS some of these GM's are trying to pull. McD is clearly smarter than that.

I think someone else already said this, but if GM's are trying to lowball us, then maybe we played Keef last night to show that we have no problem keeping him if we don't get something good in return. I know a lot of people just want him gone, but I've got no problem giving him another shot to play well and increase his value.

[Qwigglez]

I think someone else already said this, but if GM's are trying to lowball us, then maybe we played Keef last night to show that we have no problem keeping him if we don't get something good in return. I know a lot of people just want him gone, but I've got no problem giving him another shot to play well and increase his value.

That make sense to me. I wouldn't mind giving Kieff another shot either, but right now he's gotta play pretty damn well to earn that respect back.

[carey]

I think that's total BS. If GM's have said this it's only because they are trying to buy low on Kieff. Pistons were willing to give Marcus a shot and he's been playing phenomenal basketball for them. Felony charges are still pending for Marcus too right? So why is Kieff any different? I understand we aren't just gonna give up Kieff in the same manner as Marcus, but teams have to be willing to give up something tangible for what Kieff can potentially bring.

Also, I think Kieff is more valuable than Ryan Anderson long term. If I'm a team I'd rather go after Kieff because his contract is what it is, where Ryan Anderson could potentially command the max. Kieff at 8mil is far better than Ryan Anderson at 16mil++.

Rant over, I don't buy the BS some of these GM's are trying to pull. McD is clearly smarter than that.

I don't buy a word out of any GM's mouth anymore.

Also, have you actually been paying attention to Marcus or did you just see his hot start to the season and assume it continued? Because even after that hot start he's back down to only 41% from the field an 34% from 3. Neither of which are good percentages for a SF. The one good thing he's doing is getting to the line, but he's playing 37 minutes a game right now...

[Fo-Real]

Tired of this b.s. drama. Don't think the Rocket crap is realistic (we aren't getting Howard) dont want any part of Lawson or Brewer and kief is better than and so much more durable than jones. Fom me there are two options I support, and the second won't be popular.

First would be straight up for Illysova, contracts match, it would be doing right by him and Illy fits this team. The second, not so popular option is to reconcile. Pull him in with the owner, coach, gm and make another pitch about why trading his brother was a business decision that was best for the Suns and Marcus. Try to make him realize how much this team needs and wants him at his best, and (even worse for you guys), offer in good faith to restructure his contract. It's no secret that he makes less so Marcus could make more, now that Marcus isn't on our payroll anymore, why not respectfully adjust him more toward what he should make. Might be a way to rededictate our allegiance to him and hope for the same renewed love back!!! Kief when right, is better than Leure, Telly, and any clown we can replace him with at this time.

[Qwigglez]

I think that's total BS. If GM's have said this it's only because they are trying to buy low on Kieff. Pistons were willing to give Marcus a shot and he's been playing phenomenal basketball for them. Felony charges are still pending for Marcus too right? So why is Kieff any different? I understand we aren't just gonna give up Kieff in the same manner as Marcus, but teams have to be willing to give up something tangible for what Kieff can potentially bring.

Also, I think Kieff is more valuable than Ryan Anderson long term. If I'm a team I'd rather go after Kieff because his contract is what it is, where Ryan Anderson could potentially command the max. Kieff at 8mil is far better than Ryan Anderson at 16mil++.

Rant over, I don't buy the BS some of these GM's are trying to pull. McD is clearly smarter than that.

I don't buy a word out of any GM's mouth anymore.

Also, have you actually been paying attention to Marcus or did you just see his hot start to the season and assume it continued? Because even after that hot start he's back down to only 41% from the field an 34% from 3. Neither of which are good percentages for a SF. The one good thing he's doing is getting to the line, but he's playing 37 minutes a game right now...

I have, and I still believe he is playing pretty well. He's doing exactly what the Pistons need him to do. I think he's a big reason why the Pistons are playing so well this season. He's also playing so many minutes because they don't have good bench players. Stanley Johnson might be a good replacement in two years.

[jcsunsfan]

I have said this from the beginning of the year. We do not have to trade Kieff. We can if the right deal comes along.

If he dogs it, we can sit his butt and let him watch. Leuer and Tele can take his minutes. NBA players want to play more than anything. Horny did just that. We aren't trying to win a championship this year. We have the luxury to play hardball with Kieff and with teams that want us to give him away.

[carey]

I have, and I still believe he is playing pretty well. He's doing exactly what the Pistons need him to do. I think he's a big reason why the Pistons are playing so well this season. He's also playing so many minutes because they don't have good bench players. Stanley Johnson might be a good replacement in two years.

I guess that's fair. Not to get into a semantic argument but 41% from the field is not phenomenal for any NBA lvl player in my opinion. Also, I believe that the reason the Pistons are decent rests entirely on Drummond's very broad shoulders.

[carey]

Tired of this b.s. drama. Don't think the Rocket crap is realistic (we aren't getting Howard) dont want any part of Lawson or Brewer and kief is better than and so much more durable than jones. Fom me there are two options I support, and the second won't be popular.

First would be straight up for Illysova, contracts match, it would be doing right by him and Illy fits this team. The second, not so popular option is to reconcile. Pull him in with the owner, coach, gm and make another pitch about why trading his brother was a business decision that was best for the Suns and Marcus. Try to make him realize how much this team needs and wants him at his best, and (even worse for you guys), offer in good faith to restructure his contract. It's no secret that he makes less so Marcus could make more, now that Marcus isn't on our payroll anymore, why not respectfully adjust him more toward what he should make. Might be a way to rededictate our allegiance to him and hope for the same renewed love back!!! Kief when right, is better than Leure, Telly, and any clown we can replace him with at this time.

Won't be popular is an understatement. You're actually suggesting we give him... more money? After all he's done? Not to mention NBA contracts just don't get re-negotiated. I'm not even sure it's possible. The NBAPA would have a fit.

[Fo-Real]

Yep

[TeamTragic]

Kieff trade could be on hold according to Kevin Pelton of ESPN.

While the Phoenix Suns’ benching of Markieff Morris may or may not signal an intent to trade him, the thinking of a potential trade partner remains unclear.

The Houston Rockets have many more moving parts, which could delay a Phoenix trade even indirectly.

The Rockets have reported interest in acquiring Morris with an offer of swingman Corey Brewer and forward Terrence Jones going to the Suns, reports ESPN’s Marc Stein, but to trigger that deal, Houston must make sure any other trades on its end work in concert.

Other trades could include deals involving center Dwight Howard or point guard Ty Lawson, if we’re to listen to the rumors circling this week.

So the Suns remain in a holding pattern, and ESPN Insider Kevin Pelton doesn’t believe benching Morris in the meantime will alter his trade value.

“I don’t think the showcasing works when you’ve got a guy who’s an established starter like Markieff Morris. I don’t think his trade value would necessarily go down if you play him,” Pelton said Friday on Arizona Sports 98.7 FM’s Burns and Gambo show. “I think other teams recognize he’s unhappy in this situation, and that’s obviously affecting his performance — that’s why he’s getting traded in the first place. I think it’s really more of the case …. he’s not better right now than Mirza Teletovic and Jon Leuer, quite frankly.”

This leads us back to wondering if a deal is already in place to ship Morris out of Phoenix.

If the Rockets are involved, an obvious holdup is found in Brewer’s contract. His 2015-16 salary, $8.2 million, inked with the Rockets this offseason nearly doubled his prior earnings. That being at least 20 percent of a raise, and because the team has early-Bird rights on him, means Brewer cannot be traded until Jan. 15 due to salary cap rules.

So this could explain why Suns fans expecting a deal on Dec. 15 — when most other players on fresh contracts could be dealt — are still waiting.

The Rockets began the season as title contenders in the eyes of many, but the firing of head coach Kevin McHale appears to indicate general manager Daryl Morey is scrapping win-now mode. With that, Pelton suggests it wouldn’t be a bad idea for the Rockets to part with Howard, whose contract ends after this season.

Additionally, Yahoo! Sports’ Adrian Wojnarowski reports that Lawson, who hasn’t fit well alongside James Harden, could also be moved. Following reports indicate it’s more of Lawson’s side that is pushing for a deal.

In his dive into trade options pertaining to Howard, Pelton brought forth an interesting theoretical situation.

If the Rockets are focused on getting something in exchange for Howard fearing he would leave in free agency, the Suns have the pieces to get involved. Pelton listed the Suns as one of five trade partners for a Howard deal.

“I think they’re a longshot but it’s hard to kind of find a good destination,” Pelton said Friday on the Burns and Gambo show.

Phoenix could include center Tyson Chandler and Morris in a package for Howard, but there are a few reasons that would be a longshot.

While the Rockets would replace Howard with a credible defensive-minded center, it would seemingly be against Morey’s past history to take on a contract that goes through 2018-19, when Chandler would make $13.4 million as a 36-year-old. On the other side of things, the Suns would be looking at losing Howard after using him as a three-month rental. They would, however, be in a better financial situation if there is worry about Chandler’s health down the road.

Pelton believes Boston and Washington are better fits for a Howard deal.

Whatever the truth is regarding the Suns’ willingness to deal Morris, the most active teams in the trade market and those with the highest-paid players usually set the charge for a series of moves league-wide.

That Phoenix could be dealing directly with such a team means general manager Ryan McDonough and Co. may be on hold, listening to elevator music coming from Morey’s phone line.

I would love Chandler/Morris/filler for Howard/Mote. That would be the closest we have been to getting a "star player" on this team. Beggars can't be choosers and Howard could improve with the right motivation. I just don't know where his head is at right now.

I've totally cooled on Ryan Anderson.

The only trade I would be interested in would be Kieff/PJ for Jones/Lawson

Jones/Lawson would make this team worse. Terrence Jones is the most overrated player on this board. He has honestly shown nothing that makes me excited about his contribution. In addition he is a low-IQ player and we have enough of those. Then how about Lawson. You want to put two alcoholics on this team? That post was depressing. Jesus.