2016 Draft Thread Part 3 - Poll Update

[Cactus Jack]

Kobe would get crucified with that simple logic on this board

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhhrslaSsZ8[/youtube]

Kobe knows.

[Cactus Jack]

If we draft Buddy and start him over Booker next year I don't think I'll be able to contain how pissed I'd be

I seriously doubt that would happen. Those rumors of Book playing some small forward, makes a lot of sense.

[darealjuice]

If we draft Buddy and start him over Booker next year I don't think I'll be able to contain how pissed I'd be

I seriously doubt that would happen. Those rumors of Book playing some small forward, makes a lot of sense.

I do too, just need it to be the 23rd already so we can all stop speculating lol. Booker would get dominated on the defensive end by small forwards, just because he grew an inch and can play some SF doesn't mean he should, at least not right now.

[saintEscaton]

Bookerhas ahard time handling SGs as it is....

[rsavaj]

why Buddy over Murray?

[Frank Lee]

If we draft Buddy and start him over Booker next year I don't think I'll be able to contain how pissed I'd be

I seriously doubt that would happen. Those rumors of Book playing some small forward, makes a lot of sense.

I do too, just need it to be the 23rd already so we can all stop speculating lol. Booker would get dominated on the defensive end by small forwards, just because he grew an inch and can play some SF doesn't mean he should, at least not right now.

Nutshelled

I would despise the efforts from whomever to play Booker at SF. (and TJ at PF) Its the same sh#t they tried to do with Dragic.... pretending its some form of advanced strategy when really they are masking the incongruent roster structure. Do not compromise players' abilities/growth for the sake of GMs mistakes. BuddyH is not needed. Dunn is not needed. Murray not needed...unless of course, Knight or Bled or Both are on the move.

[JJ13]

Bookerhas ahard time handling SGs as it is....

I was ok with Books D last year...he made strides and will continue to do so in 2nd year. I think he'll be fine guarding SGs this year and be a good defender by end of the year

[Waylay13]

Those rumors of Book playing some small forward, makes a lot of sense.

No it doesnt as Booker lacks both the size and muscles mass to defend against most the small forwards in the NBA. So trying to play Booker at small forward or point guard will only get him (our best player) in foul trouble.

[NavLDO]

I'd like to see Dunn here if we can make room for him. Bled or Knight can go. If Dunn turns out to be the player projected, he and Book make a solid backcourt for the next 5 yrs.

Would love to see McMully work a deal for knight and pick Dunn.... who wouldn't ?

At #13 I hope we select one of Skal or Diallo. My sleeper is Brice Johnson. Perhaps we deal 28 and 34 to move into the teens to get him. Is he the Matrix Reloaded ?

I think we should focus on players with speed, length and athleticism. Thats is basis for a good defense to counter this love affair with small chuck ball.

I think about the best case scenario is that Dunn in a few years becomes as good as Bledsoe. That is likely best case. He could end up being better, but he is a turnover machine who isn't a good shooter. And of course he could be a lot worse. Bledsoe ranked in about the top 25 players in the league overall. It's tough to get that good.

This is called the simple rating, but it's pretty all encompassing, and if you look at all the players on it, it looks pretty close to reality.

http://www.82games.com/1516/ROLRTG8.HTM

You can also see the Suns also only had three other players who came out as positive impact, but those three were barely above 0.

Dunn is a taller Bledsoe and Knight hybrid. He has Knight handles and Bledsoe athleticism and length and both streaky shooting, although both Bled and Knight are 80% plus Free Throw shooters.

And that's what scares me about Dunn--at least being the 4th overall pick. 'They' say that shooting is one of the easiest thing to fix, so if that is indeed true, then maybe he becomes an 80% FT shooter. But if teams know he's a 2/3 (67-69%) FT shooter, I think that is a concern. Then with his TOs; he takes too many chances--tries to make passes few others can make. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Then his relative drop in assist rate this past season, coupled with his increase in 3PT attempts, does that mean he's becoming more 'ball dominant'? With his %s, I hope not.

I'm really not a Dunn hater; I just don't like him at 4th overall...then again, I don't like a lot of prospects 4th overall in this draft, either, so again, I'll defer to McD's judgment, but my PERSONAL ranking preference position-wise would be a PF, SF, C, PG, SG.

[JJ13]

Those rumors of Book playing some small forward, makes a lot of sense.

No it doesnt as Booker lacks both the size and muscles mass to defend against most the small forwards in the NBA. So trying to play Booker at small forward or point guard will only get him (our best player) in foul trouble.

Book supposedly growing still, now at 6'7"...that's definitely SF size with some extra muscle

[Cactus Jack]

why Buddy over Murray?

Cuz I said so...

[Cactus Jack]

Those rumors of Book playing some small forward, makes a lot of sense.

No it doesnt as Booker lacks both the size and muscles mass to defend against most the small forwards in the NBA. So trying to play Booker at small forward or point guard will only get him (our best player) in foul trouble.

Lock him in the weight room. Problem solved.

[saintEscaton]

Bookerhas ahard time handling SGs as it is....

I was ok with Books D last year...he made strides and will continue to do so in 2nd year. I think he'll be fine guarding SGs this year and be a good defender by end of the year

Well he doesn't have t-rex arms like Reddick, a sturdy frame, has enough lateral agility to stay in front of his man and at least gives it his all but he still needs to pick up the nuances of team defense. He was completely lost or a full second late on rotations, didn't know whether to fight over,under or through screens and would run straight square into picks getting easily brushed off. I would be happy if he ends up being just below average at the other end so he's not a net negative. It impossible to go from being one of the 3 statistically worst defenders at your position o "good" by league standards as a sophomore, even a stud like Winslow wasn't asa rookie. Only savants like Marcus Smart experience no learning curves and get All-NBA votes within their first two years

[Qwigglez]

BW, may I suggest changing the poll to top two choices? I'm just curious in case Bender gets selected by Boston who everyone's 2nd choice would be now.

I think I've made up my mind on who we should select. I'll take Dragan Bender if he's there. If Celtics take him, than my next choice is Dunn. Simply put, we'll have a lot of options if we took him. Trade him to the Sixers for Okafor, keep him and trade Knight/Bledsoe.

[gaspar]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/743820384827510784[/tweet]

[bwgood77]

Can't have tunnel vision. That's what the number #13 pick is for. You have to be open to anything, it could happen. Gambo has been planting a seed.....Why is he talking about Murray and Hield, for the heck of it?

Well how fast do you think Buddy will be able to compete at the NBA at a high level, if he ever is able to do that? Even as good as Booker was, he still was far below an average nba player (though still among the best rookies) from an advanced statistical view, and only shot 34% from 3, which is his specialty. The point is, even the BEST rookies don't make team's sudden playoff teams. Towns had one of the best rookie seasons ever, and LaVine really came along as did Wiggins, the most highly touted prospect in a while. The truth is, only one player on our team graded out as substantially above average last year, and that was Bledsoe. The others that ratings put slightly above average (though still right around average) were Warren, Telly and Leuer.

http://www.82games.com/1516/ROLRTG8.HTM

I think Buddy with Bledsoe and Booker would get a TON of open looks and knock them down. I expect Buddy to be a better JJ Reddick but less than Klay overall but just as good as an open shooter.

Courtney Lee was a rookie with Orlando. Rookies can make a significant impact if they are not the central focus of the team.

Booker and Buddy on the wings shooting open threes would have teams scrambling........from game one.


I like Dunn as do Frank, but shooting is more explosive than driving and posting-up in today's game. Again, that's why I prefer Bender to Chriss as well.

So you think Buddy would be not just better than Reddick and just as good as a shooter as Klay were as rookies, but expect Buddy to be better immediately than Reddick is now and as good as Klay is shooting right off the bat?

[bwgood77]

Coro knows more than gambo and says if bender is there he thinks we take him.

He also said the Suns would be thrilled if McLemore was still there at 5 a few years back via twitter on draft day.

[bwgood77]

BW, may I suggest changing the poll to top two choices? I'm just curious in case Bender gets selected by Boston who everyone's 2nd choice would be now.

I think I've made up my mind on who we should select. I'll take Dragan Bender if he's there. If Celtics take him, than my next choice is Dunn. Simply put, we'll have a lot of options if we took him. Trade him to the Sixers for Okafor, keep him and trade Knight/Bledsoe.

Well just until a few days ago the poll didn't include Bender and Murray was by far the leader, and Chriss firmly in second place. There were 4-5 votes for each of Brown, Hield and Dunn and some less for others. Murray had like mid 20s and I think Chriss has about 10.

It happened this way in Laimbeer's mock too. Murray easily takes second.

I doubt that has changed. There are three huge Hield fans here posting over and over and over about him so it might seem like he has gained more support, but that's doubtful.

[gaspar]

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/06/16/pbts-2016-nba-draft-prospect-preview-jamal-murray/

That jumper, man.

It’s something else.

When he gets in a rhythm, it’s over. He can make five or six threes in a row. He made at least four threes in 13 games this season — including four games where he made at least six threes — and he became just the second freshman in college basketball history to make 113 threes in a season. The other guy to do that? Curry, Stephen. [...]

But he’s not just a shooter, either.

Murray can handle the ball. He’s capable of attacking close outs, he can operate in the pick-and-roll, he can lead the break and he’s a willing and capable passer. There’s a difference between being a score-first player and a selfish player, and Murray is most definitely the former. [...]

Overall, Murray has pretty impressive basketball IQ.

Defensively, he has some physical limitations, but he plays hard on that end of the floor. He doesn’t quit on plays when he gets beat and he has pretty good anticipation in passing lanes. He’ll go to the offensive glass as well. [...]

[NavLDO]

So listening to 'Burns and Gambo' Podcast from yesterday, and Gambo checked, Dunn is still refusing to release medical records to Suns or Celtics, so all this "I'll play for blah,blah," and "it was all rumor" is simply a PR move. Bottom line, he is still trying to manipulate the draft process. And sorry, that bothers me. The last thing we need is another disgruntled player on this roster. If McD feels Dunn is 'our guy', then he's making a mistake, IMO.

I get it; he's a competitor and he wants to play sooner rather than later. I say then, fine, be a competitor and BEAT OUT your competition, instead of worrying about fit. That's what GMs get paid for, and if they think Dunn is the best fit, then McD will likely have a plan to make it work...it might be a bad plan, but we won't know until after the fact, like the IT debacle.

I'm sorry, but Dunn should not receive an preferential treatment over any other prospect. Look...NOBODY wants to play for the Suns right now, because we stink. What better way to become an 'instant hero' than to go to a roster and turn it around in a year or two. Look at how we are all excited about Booker. Did he win us games last year?? Maybe one or two, but he played at a higher level than expected, and thus, has given this team's fans new hope. Quit trying to manipulate a process as a prospect. Again, I know I'm going a little, as they say, 'high and right' with my opinion, but to me, it's poor form and it's something I've never liked about draft prospects from any sport that does this junk (Eli Manning, etc.).

And while I'm being 'petty', I almost hope the Wolves and Pelicans pass on him, and he goes to the Bucks or Raptors at 9 or 10. Again, I understand I'm being 'petty', but this type of attitude is what really irks me...the "I'm know better, so I'm going to 'choose' where I play next season." Well, I hope he gets taken by Boston at 3, or another team loaded with PGs. It just reeks of 'superiority complex'.

And hen, he was asked why h hasn't done workouts, and someone else (presumably an agent or something, they don't know because it was a phone interview) chimed in and said -- "We will not be answering questions about workouts."

http://arizonasports.com/player/?a=322579

Starts arounf minute 23 or 24...

OK, I'll get off my soap box...