Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2

[Kerrsed]

One thing that people need to get through their skulls is the Bledsoe Sitting last season was all about tanking. Dont try to lie to yourselves with this "It wasnt really all about tanking, but more-so about us giving our youngsters minutes" bs. Our whole team is youngsters minus the PG spot. Most of our youngsters would have probably played better with him rather than without him. Benching Bledsoe wasnt about making Ulis better or seeing what we have in him, it was about point blank tanking. The only person on this team that benefitted from Bledsoe sitting out (Not taking into effect the high draft pick we got) was Ulis.

[RaisingArizona]

That's all great stuff but 1) NBA players will not look kindly on benching a healthy Bledsoe in his prime, two seasons in a row for whatever reason and 2) a functioning organization makes the decision to trade Bledsoe in the off season because they have a better understanding of their players.

Suns have butchered relationships in the past in this same way. Knowing what a player wants, how they are feeling towards the organization, etc are fundamental management practices. He was shopped. The a healthy scratch. And then shopped openly again in the Kyrie talks. He has an extention opportunity and one of the most difficult agents in the business repping him. A better organization identifies these issues and makes a move.

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Again. Absolute baloney. This is not about sitting last year. This is about a contract situation now. Also, yes, he was shopped last summer in the Kyrie situation and when asked about it, it was clear that mgmt HAD kept him in the loop on it and he was fine with being traded to the Cavs if that happened. The Cavs wanted the fourth pick AND Bledsoe for Kyrie and that would have been too much. When is the last time you heard of ANY player requesting an immediate trade, yes immediate, if he does not get a max extension two years into a four year deal? Can't find one. There isn't one. NBA business is not done like that.

My only issue with McD was the "that's not what a leader does" comment, and that might have been for the sake of the rest of the team as much as out of frustration.

It's funny that you are defending an organization with this kind of player relations track record. You can make all the excuses you want to but bottom line we have another starter publicly demanding a trade. That's not a good look. Better run organization's don't have that happen. Agents see this. Players see this. It's not good for business.

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Rich Paul! What is going on?

[Weemsickew14]

I want Avery Bradley, he is the perfect fit at pg next to Booker and his defense would make us a playoff team. If we could somehow swing Bledsoe/Chandler and the Miami pick for Bradley and Drummond, I would be ecstatic. I cannot imagine the potential of that team.

[Walt_Uoob]

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before they buy him out - send the Suns pick and the Memphis or Toronto pick

do it - guy is still young. see what he has for this team

come on Ryan - get Okafor;

move Bledsoem Chandler and Daniels to Milwaukee

Did you guys even read the article?

The 2nd round picks they are talking about would be FROM Philly, not going to Philly. The talk is using a few 2nd round picks so a team will take him off their hands and them not having to foot his bill this season.

I don't think that's right. Article says

Jah told the media yesterday that Bryan doesn’t want him to walk for free, which is what is going to happen in the offseason anyway so whatever, and Woj is now reporting a possible deal could be focused on bringing some future 2nd rounders in:

Colangelo has remained determined to find an Okafor trade that will bring the Sixers back an asset, but the Sixers ultimate deal point could be centered on future second-round draft picks, league sources told ESPN.

Where do you get from that that the Sixers are offering picks to get rid of Okafor? Sounds to me like they want to get something back in a trade for him and are willing to accept just future second round picks.

[Kerrsed]

.....and by the way, Reggie Jackson has actually had a pretty decent return this year. Coming back from injury, but has put up some steady numbers on the low-low.

16/6/4 (on 50% shooting) in 30 minutes for the past 5 games.

Look at the comparison between him (This season) and Bledsoe (Last season): http://bkref.com/tiny/DGAfX

The numbers look awfully similar PER36, with Jackson also showing as the better Defender (107 vs 112) and offensive threat (117 vs 111). And the was considered one of Bledsoes best seasons too!

IDK, if it meant we would also get Drummond (Bledsoe/Chandler/JonesJr for Drummond/Jackson), i would do it.

[Saberestar]

.....and by the way, Reggie Jackson has actually had a pretty decent return this year. Coming back from injury, but has put up some steady numbers on the low-low.

16/6/4 (on 50% shooting) in 30 minutes for the past 5 games.

Look at the comparison between him (This season) and Bledsoe (Last season): http://bkref.com/tiny/DGAfX

The numbers look awfully similar PER36, with Jackson also showing as the better Defender (107 vs 112) and offensive threat (117 vs 111). And the was considered one of Bledsoes best seasons too!

IDK, if it meant we would also get Drummond (Bledsoe/Chandler/JonesJr for Drummond/Jackson), i would do it.

I like Reggie Jackson as a player, but I don't think he is a good fit here next to Booker, TJ and Jackson.

These three players need to be our scorers (Jackson in the next future) and our PGs need to feed them. That's why I love Ulis coming from the bench and we need to get a defensive/passing PG to start next to Booker and TJ.

[jcsunsfan]

That's all great stuff but 1) NBA players will not look kindly on benching a healthy Bledsoe in his prime, two seasons in a row for whatever reason and 2) a functioning organization makes the decision to trade Bledsoe in the off season because they have a better understanding of their players.

Suns have butchered relationships in the past in this same way. Knowing what a player wants, how they are feeling towards the organization, etc are fundamental management practices. He was shopped. The a healthy scratch. And then shopped openly again in the Kyrie talks. He has an extention opportunity and one of the most difficult agents in the business repping him. A better organization identifies these issues and makes a move.

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Again. Absolute baloney. This is not about sitting last year. This is about a contract situation now. Also, yes, he was shopped last summer in the Kyrie situation and when asked about it, it was clear that mgmt HAD kept him in the loop on it and he was fine with being traded to the Cavs if that happened. The Cavs wanted the fourth pick AND Bledsoe for Kyrie and that would have been too much. When is the last time you heard of ANY player requesting an immediate trade, yes immediate, if he does not get a max extension two years into a four year deal? Can't find one. There isn't one. NBA business is not done like that.

My only issue with McD was the "that's not what a leader does" comment, and that might have been for the sake of the rest of the team as much as out of frustration.

It's funny that you are defending an organization with this kind of player relations track record. You can make all the excuses you want to but bottom line we have another starter publicly demanding a trade. That's not a good look. Better run organization's don't have that happen. Agents see this. Players see this. It's not good for business.

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Its not good for business to get bullied into a bad trade or a bad contract. That was the option and timetable at hand. Ask the Cavs how that Tristan Thompson deal is working out. Would it have been good for business for McD to cave to the max deal demands that Eric asked for two years ago? I am very happy to have a mgmt team that does not cave every time Rich Paul says jump. Being apushover is bad for business.

[Kerrsed]

before they buy him out - send the Suns pick and the Memphis or Toronto pick

do it - guy is still young. see what he has for this team

come on Ryan - get Okafor;

move Bledsoem Chandler and Daniels to Milwaukee

Did you guys even read the article?

The 2nd round picks they are talking about would be FROM Philly, not going to Philly. The talk is using a few 2nd round picks so a team will take him off their hands and them not having to foot his bill this season.

I don't think that's right. Article says

Jah told the media yesterday that Bryan doesn’t want him to walk for free, which is what is going to happen in the offseason anyway so whatever, and Woj is now reporting a possible deal could be focused on bringing some future 2nd rounders in:

Colangelo has remained determined to find an Okafor trade that will bring the Sixers back an asset, but the Sixers ultimate deal point could be centered on future second-round draft picks, league sources told ESPN.

Where do you get from that that the Sixers are offering picks to get rid of Okafor? Sounds to me like they want to get something back in a trade for him and are willing to accept just future second round picks.

Well one, read what you just quoted. They WANT to bring back an asset (Draft picks would be an asset) but the Sixers ultimate deal point could be centered on future second-round draft picks (Meaning they wont get that asset and be sending the picks out)

The author also went on to say:

Why not just buy him out? If you want to save a couple million dollars by trading for some picks and having someone pick up the rest of Jah’s bill, that money is minuscule.

Oops. i guess i might have read that wrong, lol. To me it sounded like he was asking why they were willing to trade picks to a team to take Jah on rather than just buying him out. I swear when i read that the "for" wasnt there and just said "by trading some picks". I swear he must have changed it!!!!

[jredsaz]

Again. Absolute baloney. This is not about sitting last year. This is about a contract situation now. Also, yes, he was shopped last summer in the Kyrie situation and when asked about it, it was clear that mgmt HAD kept him in the loop on it and he was fine with being traded to the Cavs if that happened. The Cavs wanted the fourth pick AND Bledsoe for Kyrie and that would have been too much. When is the last time you heard of ANY player requesting an immediate trade, yes immediate, if he does not get a max extension two years into a four year deal? Can't find one. There isn't one. NBA business is not done like that.

My only issue with McD was the "that's not what a leader does" comment, and that might have been for the sake of the rest of the team as much as out of frustration.

It's funny that you are defending an organization with this kind of player relations track record. You can make all the excuses you want to but bottom line we have another starter publicly demanding a trade. That's not a good look. Better run organization's don't have that happen. Agents see this. Players see this. It's not good for business.

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Rich Paul! What is going on?

Lol. Don't like Paul either. But Sarver and McD need to be held accountable

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[jredsaz]

Again. Absolute baloney. This is not about sitting last year. This is about a contract situation now. Also, yes, he was shopped last summer in the Kyrie situation and when asked about it, it was clear that mgmt HAD kept him in the loop on it and he was fine with being traded to the Cavs if that happened. The Cavs wanted the fourth pick AND Bledsoe for Kyrie and that would have been too much. When is the last time you heard of ANY player requesting an immediate trade, yes immediate, if he does not get a max extension two years into a four year deal? Can't find one. There isn't one. NBA business is not done like that.

My only issue with McD was the "that's not what a leader does" comment, and that might have been for the sake of the rest of the team as much as out of frustration.

It's funny that you are defending an organization with this kind of player relations track record. You can make all the excuses you want to but bottom line we have another starter publicly demanding a trade. That's not a good look. Better run organization's don't have that happen. Agents see this. Players see this. It's not good for business.

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Its not good for business to get bullied into a bad trade or a bad contract. That was the option and timetable at hand. Ask the Cavs how that Tristan Thompson deal is working out. Would it have been good for business for McD to cave to the max deal demands that Eric asked for two years ago? I am very happy to have a mgmt team that does not cave every time Rich Paul says jump. Being apushover is bad for business.

Youre creating a false choice. There were more options than a max extension and a bad trade.

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[LukasBMW]

I want picks or young players with good attitudes. If we take on a deadweight bad contract, we need to bury them on the bench if their attitude isn't right.

Getting guys like Drummond and Jackson worry me. Okafor is cheap and easy to cut, so he's the only one with a questionable mindset that I would take a chance on.

Ironically, I'd want Chandler around for leadership and mentorship if we get Okafor. ...and then we'd have a logjam at center.

[carey]

Eric is in his 4th year of a 5 year deal by the way. It was 5/$70M.

[jcsunsfan]

Eric is in his 4th year of a 5 year deal by the way. It was 5/$70M.

yes. Just in. He has 17-18 and 18-19 left.

[Wilber85]

One thing that people need to get through their skulls is the Bledsoe Sitting last season was all about tanking. Dont try to lie to yourselves with this "It wasnt really all about tanking, but more-so about us giving our youngsters minutes" bs. Our whole team is youngsters minus the PG spot. Most of our youngsters would have probably played better with him rather than without him. Benching Bledsoe wasnt about making Ulis better or seeing what we have in him, it was about point blank tanking. The only person on this team that benefitted from Bledsoe sitting out (Not taking into effect the high draft pick we got) was Ulis.

Keeping bledsoe in would be tanking! Dude has no value to wins. He was just a cancer bringing down everyone around him

[jcsunsfan]

I want picks or young players with good attitudes. If we take on a deadweight bad contract, we need to bury them on the bench if their attitude isn't right.

Getting guys like Drummond and Jackson worry me. Okafor is cheap and easy to cut, so he's the only one with a questionable mindset that I would take a chance on.

Ironically, I'd want Chandler around for leadership and mentorship if we get Okafor. ...and then we'd have a logjam at center.

This is correct. Getting the wrong players in trade could really be damaging. Its better to have Bled sit at home than have the wrong deal.

[jcsunsfan]

One thing that people need to get through their skulls is the Bledsoe Sitting last season was all about tanking. Dont try to lie to yourselves with this "It wasnt really all about tanking, but more-so about us giving our youngsters minutes" bs. Our whole team is youngsters minus the PG spot. Most of our youngsters would have probably played better with him rather than without him. Benching Bledsoe wasnt about making Ulis better or seeing what we have in him, it was about point blank tanking. The only person on this team that benefitted from Bledsoe sitting out (Not taking into effect the high draft pick we got) was Ulis.

Are those two ideas mutually exclusive? Tanking and getting the young players minutes go hand in hand. BTW, Bledsoe sitting gave Booker more touches and shots.

It looks to me like sitting Bledsoe might have benefited everyone else more than we imagined, but I do not think mgmt had that in mind at the time. At the time, they did not need or want wins. They wanted to see Ulis, Booker etc AND they wanted the best draft pick they could get.

[King4Day]

Not sure who Liberty Ballers are but this is the Woj article they were getting their info from:

Several teams have shown interest in Okafor as a reclamation project, and league sources said that the aftermath of a possible Phoenix Suns guard Eric Bledsoe trade could trigger the freeing of a roster spot or salary cap space for a team to absorb Okafor. The Suns have been monitoring Okafor's circumstance with the 76ers, and a Bledsoe deal could create the moving parts around the league necessary for Okafor to be relocated.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21257571/philadelphia-76ers-continue-work-trading-jahlil-okafor

[Kerrsed]

https://valleyofthesuns.com/2017/11/02/bledsoe-trade-machine/

Man, them some gross ass trade ideas.

He posted 2 each for 3 different teams, and man are they ugly. I should have stopped after i read the first one which was Bledsoe to Brooklyn for Allen/Mozgov. BLEH!

[NTB]

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[Kerrsed]

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SUUUUUUUURE Earl, that Tweet had nothing to do with you.

But do go on and tell us how close you were/are to Bledsoe and how you talked to him twice that day......but NOPE, that tweet wasnt about you're firing at all.