Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-here-are-25-players-who-could-be-moved-before-the-deadline/

Anybody like anybody?

Not really. I'm good.

[Qwigglez]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-here-are-25-players-who-could-be-moved-before-the-deadline/

Anybody like anybody?

Cousins
Mirotic
Evans.....

Really just Cousins for me. Mirotic would only take minutes away from Chriss, Bender unless we are trading them, but I think their ceiling is much higher than Mirotic. Evans we could get in free agency so might as well wait on him. We could get Cousins in free agency too though.

[thamadkant]

Monroe, Bucks first, Suns first for Cousins


Sounds fair since Cousins is free agent.

[bwgood77]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-here-are-25-players-who-could-be-moved-before-the-deadline/

Anybody like anybody?

They really seem to have some numbers wrong. I only looked at what it said Clarkson and Chandler were owed, but neither looked right.

[jcsunsfan]

Monroe, Bucks first, Suns first for Cousins


Sounds fair since Cousins is free agent.

Why trade anything for Cousins? We are not going for the playoffs now. We can sign him in the summer if we really want him. I am not giving up two firsts for a pointless 2 month rental. If they want Monroe for Cousins, fine. I might even throw in a second round pick or two. But no to first round picks.

[RaisingArizona]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-here-are-25-players-who-could-be-moved-before-the-deadline/

Anybody like anybody?

1. Mudiay
1A. Clarkson

[bwoolf2]

I think Mudiay would be worth giving up this years Heat pick for.

[NavLDO]

My I believe button just doesn't seem to work well enough
I cannot really understand how Kemba Walker is worth 3 1-round picks.

I can. I do that every day and twice on Sunday, as the saying goes. You wouldn't trade our pick, which would be late teens after we get Kemba, plus the Miami picks, which is also Late Teens, plus who knows what in 2021 PLUS trade salaries

(Dudley's 10M--yeah, go look at his production this year vs Kemba's $12M, and his production).

And oh, BTW, we have 2 young PFs picked in the top 10 vs a 2nd Rd 5'10" PG getting destroyed every night. How does that not work for you??

[dremill24]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-here-are-25-players-who-could-be-moved-before-the-deadline/

Anybody like anybody?

I’m still into the idea of Favors as a Center for us. I wouldn’t trade much of anything for him now with his impending FA status, but I’d throw a reasonable offer at him this summer.

[King4Day]

Cousins won't be traded as long as they are in the playoff hunt. Pels want Davis to be happy. Trading Cousins now would not make him happy

[lilfishi22]

Monroe, Bucks first, Suns first for Cousins


Sounds fair since Cousins is free agent.

I wouldn't do it. Half a season to convince Cousins to resign is not enough. With the Pels still in the playoff hunt and imo better equipped to make a playoff push, I don't think he would be too excited about joining a team that's struggling to stay out of the lottery.

[LukasBMW]

My dreams of finding our next great center in this draft have gone out the window with our recent winning streak.

Moving up on draft day would be too expensive.


I'd purpose something like this:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yauuo63x

LAC (Gets something for Jordan)
-Monroe
-Bucks 1st (via suns
-2 second rounders from the Suns

Indiana (Dumps contracts, get two picks, a young player with potential, and a legit center)
-Jordan
-Jackson
-Suns 2018 1st
-Miami 2018 1st

Phoenix (Gets their 5 of the future, takes on some salary)
-Myles Turner
-Al Jefferson
-Thad Young

So we lose Jackson, 3 1st rounders (Miami 18, Bucks 1st, Suns 18), and 2 seconds.

PG Knightmare/Ulis
SG Booker/Daniels/Reed
SF TJ/Thad
PF Chriss/Bender
C Myles/Len/Sauce

Chandler, Dudley, Jefferson all rot on the bench collecting golden parachute money. Then we make a run at a PG via trade or 2019 free agency when Dudley, Chandler, Jefferson all come off the books.

This just grates me to no end...not your trade scenario; it's not that bad, or anything. I personally am not crazy about it, just to get a Center, but my point is, we have Len, and while yes, Myles is a better option, he's not 3 1sts and JJ better...not even close. Yet we are just going to let Len walk out his merry way...

http://bkref.com/tiny/gvVnj

Look at the comparison, and yes, I get it's not all about stats, but Len is better than his stats in some ways, too...

It just makes ZERO sense why we are not starting Len this year, over Chandler. We can ONLY gain from it. Chandler can be traded to a contender and we can attempt to rebuild any goodwill possible with Len, and maybe re-sign him at year's end.

But instead, we are making trade proposals for a Center that, in reality, isn't all that much better than what we have in house, and are offering 3 x 1sts and our #4 overall pick from less than a year ago. To me, that's a poor investment.

Again, Lukas, this isn't on you or your proposal, per se, but more on our fearless leader.

I agree, I like Turner quite a bit but he's not worth anything close to 3 1st rd picks and Jackson. Maybe if the Pacers also sent back Sabonis or something.

That is the thing, Sabonis is legit. Maybe...just maybe they decide they want to pay Sabonis more then Myles and trade Myles for a wing? One can dream. But with position-less basketball, having Sabonis and Myles up front is killer for them.

[JJ13]

surprised there's not more love for Whiteside. Dude is a beast...slow start to season after the injury, but a really nice rim protector with efficient scoring. Heat are trying to offload contracts, can likely be had for cheap-ish

[NavLDO]

Heat fan here, would you guys be open to giving us our picks backs for Whiteside in the offseason? If not, what would entice you guys to you our picks back?

You're never getting the unprotected one back. I'm sorry.

Also, I listen to the LeBatard show every day including the local hour. No way that you could convince me Whiteside would get that kind of return from any team. Especially with that much salary remaining. The kid has a player option for $27M in '19-'20.

Yeah, it seems every month a Heat fan comes in here trying to pawn off Whiteside for their picks back. If this doesn't make you all feel good about McD's trade skills, I don't know what will; Heat fans are not impressed with that trade. It makes me feel all warm inside (nothing against the Heat...just about being on the correct side of that trade). The Suns made out like bandits in dumping Dragic for those 2 picks!

But back to Whiteside...the guy is never healthy, and like they say, the best ability in sports is 'avail'ability. I don't care how good you are (and honestly, he's not that great). He didn't become a full-time starter until last season; he only started the season before due to Amare' being out, but once he came back, Whiteside went to the Bench.

Not to mention, if you can only average 79% of available games played in the last 4 years, yet have a contract of his magnitude, well, no thanks...we already have one of those, and his name is Brandon Knight.

Hate to be that broken record and beat that poor, poor dead horse I've beaten more times than one can count, but look...

http://bkref.com/tiny/VRycw

...especially the per36 numbers. But also the FG/FT%. He's just not that great, plus, he doesn't fit our rebuild (he'll be 29 next season), and he eats up all our cash flow. So we are supposed to give up two minimally, or non-protected 1sts, so we can take on an overpriced contract for a Veteran at a position which we already have a Veteran (Chandler)? Why does this make sense for us...like, at all? Not to mention, his 'biggest draw' is blocked shots, which has been decreasing each year.

Unless the player is a PG, like Kemba Walker, who is less money, and a better investment, and a position of higher need, then there is no reason to trade those picks.

I would counter the trade as such...either from our standpoint (basically, the return Miami gets), or what Miami offers.

Miami Trades: Hassan Whiteside...and in return...the Suns Trade: Chandler and BK

If we are trading based upon 'past glory', well, BK was a 19.6 / 5 / 4 Combo Guard during the '15-'16 Season, and 17 / 5 / 4 with a 39% 3PT % the year prior, and, he'll still be only 26 at seasons start next year. And Chandler is still pretty spry for his age, and a former All-Star just 5 years ago.

But if the goal is to REALLY just get the picks back then I'd say they would have to trade Bam Adebayo and Justice Winslow, and we can give back a player in return. But at this stage, we need young stars, not has been, fading ones like Whiteside.

[Damkac]

2021 Miami pick should be untouchable. Losing Lakers pick was enough. NEVER trade unprotected picks. This should be the first rule of every NBA GM.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I don't want to tie this team to a guy with known personality and injury issues, especially with that kind of money. I prefer Chandler to Whiteside. Straight up.

[NavLDO]

The easy bandaid here is to make a deal for Tyreke Evans ... a second round pick or two... then make a decision between him and Jeremy Lin (or?) in the off season. I dont think we have much of a chance trying to find a PG in the draft, especially one we need to start/effectively contribute right away.

Evans would be a tremendous upgrade over TinyUlis and allow for a more 'Harden-ish' role from Booker. I dont think Caanon is our long term answer except for a bench role. I see Ulis in China the moment Booker inks up long term. In fact, I'd trade him now so it wont be McD who is the one to cut him. Send him to memphis with a couple 2s and get Tyreke. All I can think of when I watch Ulis is Mars Blackmon.

One issue with this is I think much like Phoenix did with Tucker last year Memphis is going to hold out until the very last second trying to get a 1st rounder for Tyreke. If it's an hour before the deadline and nothing materialized then they probably take what they can get.

Other than seeing first hand how he fits next to Booker there really isn't much of a reason to trade for Tyreke since he's an FA this offseason and as I've stated before I don't think the math works out to make a run at the playoffs this year so I would pretty much stay away from acquiring guys who only help this year.

Heck I'd rather just give Reed a test run next to Booker.

I hope they try something. I'm not against trading for a guy who becomes a FA at the end of the season, so long as what we trade is Chandler, Knight, Dudley, Monroe, or Daniels (or heck, even Bender OR Chriss, if it means we are committing to the other one as being our long-term solution at PF, AND we receive a future 1st, as well.

I would hate to pass on an opportunity for our youngsters to 'taste' the playoffs if we can, and it only costs us other Veteran players. If the player we get in return is younger, and pretty good, then I wouldn't mind even spending a draft pick. I don't know who, exactly, but for example, Utah has decided to go with Donovan Mitchell over Rodney Hood, it appears, the rest of the season. What if we trade for Hood to start at SG while Booker plays mostly PG, and we work JJ in some spare minutes at the 2 as well, while backing up Warren at the 3 and Warren playing some 4, yada, yada, yada...

Anyway, they also decide Favors is contrary to their future, so they want to trade us Favors and Hood for Bender and Dudley, because they need more 3 PT shooting. I'd consider it. You never know what that combo might net us.

Anyway, not exactly that, but maybe something close. To me, if we end up not having to give up our future, yet are provided an opportunity to compete immediately, I'm all about it.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Any interest in Tyler Johnson $19m per season for 2 seasons?

Probably get him for the equivilent of nothing.

[lilfishi22]

Give me George Hill for that money. At least he's only guaranteed $1m after next season. Johnson has guaranteed money

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Any interest in Tyler Johnson $19m per season for 2 seasons?

Probably get him for the equivilent of nothing.

OH HEEELLLLL NAW!

I mean, no thanks.